0:04 - Opening Thoughts on Dating Dynamics
1:55 - The Tweet That Sparked Controversy
3:40 - Understanding Male and Female Asymmetry
5:41 - The Problem with Perceptions of Gender
7:26 - The Misunderstood 'Pick Me' Mentality
9:54 - The Impact of Body Count on Relationships
12:45 - Exploring Female Intersexual Competition
19:57 - Historical Examples of Female Rivalry
28:06 - The Role of Gossip in Female Dynamics
35:56 - Modern Examples of Gender Rivalry
42:25 - The Eternal Battle of Ideals
46:28 - Final Thoughts on Relationships and Society
1:16:04 - Parenting and Philosophy
1:19:23 - Homeschooling Dilemmas
1:21:31 - The Nature of Relationships
1:23:17 - Defensive Reactions to Parenting
1:29:17 - Male-Female Friendship Dynamics
1:39:02 - The Impact of Indoctrination
1:50:19 - Understanding Sexual Dynamics
2:04:18 - The Weight of Inherited Traits
2:24:46 - The Dangers of Promiscuity
2:30:09 - Reflection and Personal Growth
This episode delves into a provocative discussion surrounding the dynamics of female sexual competition, societal norms, and the psychological underpinnings that influence dating behaviors among men and women. The discourse opens with reflections on a viral tweet about a young woman's perception of older men dating significantly younger women. The main speaker offers insights into the brutal reality of female sexual competition, likening it to an intense blood sport that many women endure. They examine the ingrained societal belief that men and women are fundamentally the same, arguing this view creates profound and damaging consequences for both genders, including fostering resentment and defensiveness.
The conversation highlights the stark differences in mating strategies employed by men and women, explaining how these strategies affect relationship choices and outcomes. The speaker discusses the phenomenon where younger women often seek older men for their perceived stability and maturity, while older women express outrage towards this dynamic as they view younger women as competition. Throughout this analysis, there is a broader critique of societal narratives that perpetuate misunderstandings between genders, particularly about sexuality and relationship expectations.
A critical aspect of the discussion involves the speaker's perspective on accountability within relationships. They argue that masculinity is often vilified without recognizing the complexities of male sexual behavior, particularly in a society that commodifies and hypersexualizes both genders. The recording continues to explore the nature of attraction and how the societal narrative surrounding relationships can create expectations that are difficult to meet. The speaker encourages a reevaluation of what women and men can expect from each other, delving into the psychological and cultural ramifications of modern dating norms.
The episode concludes on a reflective note, suggesting that genuine relationships rely on acknowledging inherent differences between the sexes rather than pretending to embrace a false equivalence. The takeaway is a compelling reminder of the importance of introspection, honesty, and genuine communication in navigating the complexities of human attraction and relationships, leaving listeners with critical insights into the often convoluted mechanics of dating in contemporary society.
[0:00] Hi, everybody. Monday, the 14th of July, 2025.
[0:04] I have a wee bit of a banger on, son. A wee bit of a banger. A wee bit. And I guess this is a tweet I put out last night. It's almost these late night tweets. Like, just as I'm headed to bed, I notice something or think something, tweet it out. Next thing you know, it's doing a little bit of all right. And I.
[0:25] Think I might
[0:26] Know why. so let's talk about the tweet itself and then I'll tell you why I think it's struck a chord with people why it's doing you know fairly particularly nicely well and the tweet is it is a cold-faced young woman somebody rather brutally and I think unfairly said this is fairly low-rent Irish nagging physiognomy which is obviously kind of descriptive I don't think it's fair. But anyway, it's sort of this cold eyed young woman. And she's saying, me seeing a man over 25 dating an 18 to 19 year old and biting the F out of my tongue because society accepts it. But I know the man is evil incarnate. And no woman his age would ever want him. And also he's a pervert creep and should be in prison. But instead, I say nothing, nothing. And that is quite interesting. That's quite interesting. So what would we add? Yeah, a million views plus or whatever, right? So, I mean, I don't know if it's the picture. I mean, obviously, some of it's the picture, some of it's my comment. Because what I said above the tweet or above the picture, what I said was, female sexual competition is.
[1:40] The most brutal
[1:40] Blood sport known to man or the devil. And I was originally saying man, God, or the devil, but then I thought it was a little bit, maybe blasphemous. So I declined and I wrote it that way. So why are people responding to it so strongly in a lot of comments?
[1:55] And I think, I know why, obviously, could be wrong. Happy to hear your thoughts about it.
[1:59] This is a dialogue,
[2:00] Not a monologue, my friends. But I think what's happening is there's this general idea that is sold in society and has been for half a century or more that men and women are basically the same. I mean, obviously, there's some height differences and some strength differences, but that's mostly cultural. If women worked out, they'd be just like men. and in particular, men and women's brains are not different. Now, the reason why this is pushed is to open up the hellscape rift lava flow of.
[2:33] A civil war between
[2:34] The sexes. And this is part of a whole, you know, reduce the population, whatever's going on from the elites, whoever they are, the fifth generation warfare goes way above the stratosphere. And it is to make men and women and kind of hate each other. And the way that this happens, of course, is if men and women's brains are the same, then all differences in outcome between men and women must be the result of.
[2:57] Sexism on the part
[2:58] Of men. I mean, the double standard is never really deployed when it benefits women. But if men and women, brains, bodies, and so on, are basically the same, then the fact that men make a little more than women, women make like, you know, depends how you measure it, 75, 80, 83 cents on the dollar for every dollar men make. Well, if men and women are the same.
[3:20] Then the only
[3:20] Reason that women would be paid less is because of brutal, ugly, vicious, patriarchal, male chauvinist pig, sexism. And saying that men and women are the same provokes this civilization shredding war between the sexes. It provokes female resentment and it provokes male defensiveness.
[3:41] So what has my tweet got to do with all of that?
[3:43] Let me take you on a brief journey, my friends, and I'll tell you what that tweet has to do with, why this is blowing up.
[3:48] So to speak.
[3:49] Well, because if a 25-year-old man wants to date and is able to successfully date a 19-year-old woman, why would this provoke such anger? Well, because if the situations were reversed.
[4:06] If it's a serious relationship,
[4:09] Like it's not just hookup, right, a serious relationship with long-term potential, maybe leading to marriage and so on, What are the odds that a 19-year-old man would be chosen as a long-term dating marriage strategy by a 25-year-old woman? Well, it's not zero. It happens. But it's much less. It's much less. So, a 25-year-old man finds significant value in a 19-year-old woman. A 25-year-old woman would not find equivalent or as common a set of values in a 19-year-old. Man, now this speaks to the asymmetry of the sexes. Now, asymmetry is good. You can't complete a jigsaw puzzle if all the pieces are the same.
[4:52] Asymmetry in genital structure is,
[4:55] Well, one of life's greatest pleasures and almost makes up for the income tax. So, the asymmetry, ooh, that's really tough for people. It's tough for women as a whole. It's tough for some men to talk about women because this is a woman who's in the tweet.
[5:11] Asymmetry.
[5:12] Men and women want different things. But if men and women want different things, maybe the wage gap is the result of men and women wanting different things. Maybe the fact that there has never really been a very famous or successful female economist. Or maybe the fact that there are fewer women in STEM or, you know, whatever it is, right? Maybe the fact that there are a lot of women who are nurses and teachers and secretaries, although that's a little less common now, primary school teachers and so on. Maybe all of that is because men and women's brains are different.
[5:42] And if men and women's brains are different, then women have adopted a terrifically bad mating strategy called be the man you want. It's a terrible, terrible mating strategy for women to get a quality man. And so women have kind of been psyopped. But look, if men and women are the same, basically, if we're the same.
[6:05] Then what I want in a man must be what a man wants in me, because we're the same. Think of doubles tennis, right? If you've ever played doubles tennis, you want a tennis player who's as good or better than you. You don't want a guy or a woman who doesn't know which end of the racket to hold, right? So when you're looking at doubles tennis, you want someone like you. I mean, you might want some complimentary strengths, maybe their forehand is better than your backhand or vice versa. But in general, you want someone who's as good as you. It's the same thing if you just want to play someone in any racket sport or any sport, you want someone in general at a similar level of ability.
[6:50] If they're much
[6:51] Worse than you, it's boring for you. If they're much better than you, it's boring for them. So you want someone So for women, because they've been told men and women are the same, right? Women who are, you know, 98.
[7:01] Pounds can take on three
[7:03] 250-pound Slav tankies and totally win. Jennifer Garner style. So they've been told men and women are the same. Therefore, what.
[7:13] You want in a man
[7:15] Is exactly what a man will.
[7:17] Want in you.
[7:19] Oh, man. Is that ever the exact opposite of the truth? The exact opposite of the truth.
[7:27] So what happens is, women say, well, I want a man who's, what did they say? It was something I posted the other day, a subtly commanding aura.
[7:37] Right?
[7:38] So women say, well, I want a man who's commanding, assertive, aggressive. But because men and women are the same, then a man must want a woman who's commanding, assertive, and aggressive. But we don't. A woman will say, well, I want a man who's really successful in his career. Therefore, a man will want me only if I'm, or the degree to which I am.
[8:07] Really successful in my career.
[8:09] I want a hard-driving lawyer making a quarter million a year. A man must want me to be a hard-driving lawyer making a quarter million a year, but we don't.
[8:17] As a whole.
[8:19] As a whole. so I see men making fun of each other men putting each other down and sort of joking so what I'll do is I'll put my man down I'll be just like one of the guys and he'll really like that.
[8:34] No he won't and
[8:37] This is just part of sabotage the sabotage so that you're not attractive you don't have families don't have kids and your culture goes the way of the dodo, So here we have a situation of asymmetry. Why would a 25-year-old man want a 19-year-old woman?
[8:55] Because men value youth and beauty and fertility.
[8:58] I mean, beauty is just a marker for intelligence and fertility. Good-looking people have up to a 12-point IQ advantage on average. Tons of exceptions, right? Like all of these, but you know, in general. So a man is not drawn drawn to a woman's income and bank account. He's not drawn to her professional accomplishments. I mean, they're nice, I suppose. And he's not drawn to her aggression. He's drawn to youth, beauty, and fertility, and being a good mother. The skills to be a good mother are not the same as the skills to be a successful doctor or lawyer or accountant or entrepreneur or anything like that. So what are men drawn to? Why would a 25-year-old man want a 19-year-old woman? And why would a 19-year-old woman want a 25-year-old man? Well, because the 19-year-old woman is innocent and unspoiled,
[9:51] so to speak, right? She hasn't been ran through, as the coarse phrase goes.
[9:54] She hasn't rode the rooster carousel. She hasn't had her heart broken a bunch of times. She hasn't, you know, had 10 hookups and eight situationships and has lost her ability to pair bond, like sticky tape you attach and detach too many times, it just loses its adherence.
[10:12] She's young, she's innocent,
[10:13] She's optimistic, and she has pair-bonding capacities. She hasn't been used up. She's not, and this is a chilling phrase that is really only used by women, and it's a really chilling phrase. I remember many, many years ago, a young woman asking me this question, am I damaged goods? Am I damaged goods? Am I damaged goods? Have it been broken it in transit.
[10:37] You know, you order something online and it comes in pieces.
[10:42] Do you try and fix it? No, you just send it back and get one that isn't broken. And that's, am I damaged goods?
[10:48] Now, why does the
[10:49] 19-year-old woman want the 25-year-old man? Because it's much less risky. Because if she's dating another 19-year-old man, she's got to roll the dice to see if he's going to be successful in the future.
[10:59] Right?
[11:01] Maybe he'll be successful. Maybe he'll stall out. Maybe he's got some problems, maybe he can only rise so high, and then some self-sabotage or some self-limiting algorithm kicks in probably from an underachieving family.
[11:15] Siblings, whatever, right?
[11:16] So it's tough to tell, really, ahead of time in this exceptions, again, it's tougher to tell, let's say it's tougher to tell, if a 19-year-old man is going to be successful in this brutal world of male blood sport resource acquisition. Tough to know. But by the time he's 25, you've got a pretty good idea how successful he's.
[11:37] Going to be.
[11:39] So if you date a younger woman, you have increased fertility, you have increased capacity to pair bond, and so you.
[11:49] Are getting more
[11:50] Out of the deal as a man. As a woman, if you date a 25-year-old man, as opposed to a 19-year-old man, then you have more certainty as to the level of success he's going to achieve. In other words, a 19-year-old man who's a loser might.
[12:10] Become a winner.
[12:11] But a 25-year-old man, you can already tell whether he's going to win or lose in general. If he's a loser, he's probably not going to turn it around. If he's a winner, he's probably not going to fail from there on, right? So the man is reducing his odds of... Getting together with a woman who's infertile, has no pair-bonding capacity, and so on, less fertile. And the woman is reducing her odds of having children with a guy who's not successful, which makes for a pretty miserable life, and reduces the chances of her own children's future capacity for success.
[12:45] So when women, young women in particular, when they come across massive asymmetries between men and women. 25-year-old guy wants 19-year-old woman. 25-year-old woman probably doesn't want 19-year-old guy. Again, I'm talking for like marriage.
[13:04] Right?
[13:05] So there's an asymmetry. Now, asymmetry provokes this deep primordial basic biological bone marrow knowledge.
[13:12] Fact, certainty that we're different.
[13:17] But if your mating strategy has been to act like a man to manifest the characteristics as a woman that you want in a man, this is what I want in a man, this is what a man must.
[13:28] Want in me,
[13:29] If that's been your mating strategy, well, you've made a terrible, horrible, disastrous mistake. Now, maybe you can undo that mistake, of course, especially if you're young, not so much when you're older. It's not like you can fix your mating strategies in your 30s, and certainly there's no point particularly in your 40s if it's failed. But it gives people particularly young women when they see this kind of asymmetry well why would this guy who's why would this guy who's 25 go for this woman who's 19 and it's this incomprehensible rage or uncomprehending it's not incomprehensible which we should try to comprehend it this uncomprehending blind rage because it indicates to you that you've been propagandized very successfully. And you really get frustrated because if you're a woman and you adopt or enhance masculine characteristics because you want a masculine man, and then you find that the more you adopt masculine characteristics, the more you draw onto your tender bosom, or not so tender bosom, a feminized, weak, simpy, beta-soyboy males. You get frustrated.
[14:43] It happens on the other side too.
[14:47] So, men also do the same thing. I've been propagandized to do the same thing, young men, which is, I find emotional vulnerability, openness, tender-heartedness, softness, cuddliness, I find that attractive in women. Therefore, women will find the same traits attractive in men, but they don't as a whole, and it's not sustainable if they do.
[15:10] And of course, this young
[15:11] Woman in the image that I shared, incredibly bitter, wants a six-year age gap dating relationship. She wants the man thrown in prison. Well, she looks young, certainly looks to be in her late teens, early twenties. Hard to tell with filters these days.
[15:29] It's like time travel.
[15:30] But she clearly has not been chosen by the attractive 25-year-old men. Many people who not everyone. I get the dating market is tough. I get that. But a lot of people who rage against the dating market in part are doing it because.
[15:46] They're not chosen.
[15:48] And so she's not being chosen. She sees other women being chosen and she is lashing out at the men. But this lashing out at the men, rather than saying, well, you know, these women are being chosen. I'm not being chosen. so let me be more like these women so I can get chosen.
[16:06] She lashes out in rage,
[16:08] Which is a kind of beta male characteristic. The beta male characteristic is to lash out in rage when you're not chosen, to rage quit, right? You don't get chosen for the first five picks in your pickup softball game when you're 12, you take your ball and you go home, you storm out. That's the beta male rage thing, right? As opposed to saying the alpha male thing is to say, well, I'm not getting picked. I'm not getting chosen, so I got to.
[16:32] Up my game until I get chosen.
[16:34] That's my sign to improve, as opposed to being petty and rage quitting. So she is expressing a kind of beta male rage at, in my opinion, I don't know this woman, of course, right? It's my theory. Expressing a kind of beta male rage at not being picked.
[16:50] But the reason that
[16:51] She's not being picked is she's got the beta male rage thing going, because she wants freely chosen dating options, as manifested in reality, she wants people thrown in jail for dating who they want. And then, of course, they say, yes, but you're a 19-year-old woman. Her brain is not fully developed. Okay, well then, how can she vote? If you're going to say she's like a child, well, we don't let children vote. We don't let them enter into contracts.
[17:17] We don't let them drive. Don't let them drink.
[17:20] Don't let them live alone. So are they saying we should go back to that until women are, what, 25? Yeah. That shuffle, I mean, you can, but rationally, it's ridiculous to shuffle women in and out of autonomy and maturity and say, well, but a 19-year-old woman to a man who's six years older.
[17:42] She's a child.
[17:43] Okay, so should he get two votes and she get none? Because she's like a child and he's so mature. So again, none of it makes any sense. But, you know, in general, in life, and I wanted to mention, I really hate this pick-me meme, you know, oh, she's such a pick-me girl. Well, no shit Sherlock, of course she's a pick me girl. We all got picked, we all have to get picked, or our bloodline doesn't continue. So I did a tweet.
[18:08] And I'll get your questions and comments about this, and I have other
[18:12] Stuff to talk about, but obviously I don't want to just do a monologue, otherwise I'd just record a solo show. But I did a tweet where I was saying that we don't want what you want to women. Of course, right? We don't want what you want. Men want women to be women and women want men to be men. I know that's a bit tautological, but there has to be a difference.
[18:37] We're not just all these unitard
[18:39] Star Trek piles.
[18:41] Of goo, some with boobs and some with balls.
[18:45] Everything else is the same. It's not who we are. It's not how we evolve. We evolve to be complementary to each other. And I remember this early on in my marriage. I've been married for like, I don't know, 23 years. And I remember early on in my marriage looking at my wife and saying, wow, man. Well, wow, she's great looking or whatever. But I remember looking at my wife and saying, man, she's really different from me. And not in any negative way, but I was sort of breaking out of this like a quarter century ago. Just this idea like, well, this is what I'm interested in and these things are the good and this is my preferences and these are the good. And she's got to kind of be like me to some degree. And it's like, no, she's interested in really different things. She's really different from me. Really different. Not in any negative way. In fact, it was kind of a positive way because it's complimentary. I mean, if a woman's genitals are not different from a man's.
[19:33] Technically, he's kind of gay.
[19:35] So, yeah. So, that's, I think, one of the reasons why this is cooking in people's minds. It's just a reminder that we should, as the French say, vive la différence. Celebrate the difference, enjoy the difference. Women are, as I've said, delightfully incomprehensible. The delightful is, and the incomprehensible is kind of the same deal.
[19:57] If you have questions or comments, I obviously would prefer it to be about this topic, but I have some examples of female intersexual competition, because this is kind of what's going on, right? So what's going on is this woman is not, I mean, it's beyond shaming. She wants men jailed for dating younger women. Well, why is that? Why would a woman want a man jailed for dating a younger woman.
[20:28] Well, because he's not dating her.
[20:32] And I think what's interesting is that this is a young woman. And I don't know, of course, it's the internet. Who knows what's true? I might just be the voice of your conscience. Are you my conscience? But it is because it's a younger woman. So normally what happens is older women shame men their own age for dating younger women because they don't want the competition. So a man who's, a.
[20:52] Woman who's 30
[20:52] Will often shame a man who's 30 for dating a woman who's 23. What is it, the French rule? Half a man's age plus seven years or something like that. And she'll shame him. You can't handle a woman your own age and how dare, you're so shallow, what could you have in common? She's so immature, this is predatory, you're grooming her, like all kinds of historical, crazy, nutty stuff. But that's because the genes are amoral in their desire to reproduce. Genghis Khan, still on the Mongolian currency, by the way, everyone who's in the West has to be deeply ashamed.
[21:24] Of their ancestors'
[21:27] Colonialism. But in Mongolia, they're like, well, we love this guy. Let's put him on the currency.
[21:32] Genes don't care how they reproduce.
[21:33] They don't. Whatever is necessary. Whatever works.
[21:36] Whatever works.
[21:38] And shaming men for wanting younger women is, I mean, basic intrassexual competition. It is saying to men, you're bad if you choose younger women, which of course opens up the men to dating women their own age and thus allows a woman to secure.
[21:55] A protective provider
[21:58] As she sails up into the third and a half decade of geriatric pregnancy time. It's just an amoral intersexual mating strategy. Oh, this is intersexual mating. Intra is between, within women, right? So, what are the basics here? So, female intersexual competition is not direct. It tends to be. And look, you can find tons of exceptions to these things. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by pretending that this is one giant monolith of absolutism, right? So, women tend to use verbal or social tactics to compete rather than physical. This was what was used against me, right? Gossip and reputation derogation. So women use these indirect tactics. They spread rumors and slander and lies. Oh, she slept with five guys. Oh, she has herpes. Oh, she backstabs everyone. Oh, you know, her family is crazy. Oh, she's secretly on, if she's a secret drug user oh like she'll just say stuff to lower the reputation of the person of the competitor to lower the reputation and you know the media did this with me right all these kinds of stories about.
[23:18] What a terrible guy i was and all that right it's just competition
[23:21] Right but not direct competition direct competition would be men either fighting or calling each other out or debating, right? That would be the male approach.
[23:30] Right? But the female approach,
[23:33] Again, not exclusive to women and certainly not the case with all women, but the female approach is simply a smarmy reputation damage. I still remember, this is back in 2008, I think it was.
[23:45] Some of the
[23:46] Earliest articles about me. They didn't refer to any of my education. I have a graduate degree. My graduate degree thesis was in the history of philosophy, taking four major philosophers and it's a big big intellectual journey really quite a quite a big thing that i was working on and got an a on which was not easy back in the day oh even tougher now i suppose, but and of course i i co-founded and grew a software company in the 90s and you know it still running did well and all of that and i just i remember the the um the woman who wrote the article, referred to me, the only thing she said about me was that I was a former IT worker.
[24:30] Yes, yes, yes. Okay, not mentioning any of my training or my education or my experience or anything like that. I was a former, you know, and, you know, she might as well have said, yeah, he just, he had a paper route. It's like, yeah, I did have a paper route, but it's not particularly rare. So, former IT worker. I mean, it's kind of funny, right? So, social exclusion and self-promotion. So, if a woman is interested in a man, I'm not sure what's going on. Thinks that the man might prefer her friend, then she will stop inviting her friend out where the man is. And maybe she'll throw a little falsehood or two in there as well about her health or her mental health or something like that, right? Oh, she's just too stressed. You know, make her look high maintenance and neurotic and so on. That's why she's not here when she, in fact, has just not invited her. Self-promotion, of course, highlight their own attractiveness and qualities. And again, you know.
[25:18] Men do this as well.
[25:20] Men do this as well. I, as a teenager, I guess from the age of 15 or 16 onwards, I used to love going to discos, the dance places, right? And I became a pretty good dancer, you know, over a couple of years. And, you know, I would promote that and promote, you know, I'd be at school dances and real bust and real moves and stuff like that and moonwalk and all kinds of crazy stuff, right? That's just, you know, you highlight your own strengths, right? You highlight your own strengths and you try.
[25:52] To look better.
[25:53] So negative reaction to successful peers is another way that intersexual competition tends to work for women. So married women with children show stronger negative feelings towards same-sex individuals possessing valuable traits. So if the other woman is really, really hot, that really has a supportive, a spouse, high energy, some sort of influential position, compared to men, they are more hostile towards other women who have valuable traits. They don't want their husbands to look at other women who are higher quality and then look back at them and see them as lesser. I mean, that makes sense.
[26:32] Right? So if a
[26:35] Woman has failed to lose her baby weight, right? She put on, I don't know, 20, 30 pounds over pregnancy and.
[26:41] She has failed to lose
[26:42] Her baby weight. And I remember this post from, I don't know, eight or nine years ago, there was this woman, she had three children and she was a fitness person and she looked fantastic after three children, and the women were incredibly hostile. Well, she's just obsessive. Well, she has anorexia. Well, right? All the time she's exercising, she's not spending playing with her kids, right? Just this hostility, right? Now, I don't know, of course, about this woman in any particular detail, but you could see this hostility. And that is a way of putting down other women in the minds of men so that men won't.
[27:13] Look at the
[27:14] Slender, attractive woman who's had three babies and look at their own wife, who won't lose the baby weight after one baby, and say, you know, you're lesser because of that.
[27:24] Right?
[27:26] I remember in my early 20s, I was out with two women one night, and there was a woman walking down the street looking fantastic, but too much skin, right? Nipples protruding, all that kind of stuff. Tight skirt, high skirt, right? Looking fantastic, she looked fantastic, but a little too, you know, heading for the pole for mine, my tastes, but, and the women both looked at her, looked at her, looked at each other, looked at me, and they just said, bitch.
[27:56] With fewer available males, right?
[27:58] Could be wars, could be demographics, could be, I guess, the MGTOW movement to remove some of the males from circulation. Female-on-female rivalry increases.
[28:07] Heightened aggression, mate-guarding behaviors. This is something that I've talked about for many years, and I've talked about this with men who are going through this in my call-in shows, that if you happen to get snagged by a crazy woman, then the first thing she's going to do is work her very hardest to disconnect you from your friendships.
[28:27] Right? For the simple reason, of course, of course,
[28:31] That your friends are going to point out how crazy she is and she doesn't want your friends pointing out how crazy she is. So she will work to disconnect you. And she'll do this by, oh, let's just stay in or showering you with, you know, the V-bomb, right? The V-can and the sex bombs, all of that stuff at the beginning. And so that you become isolated from your friendships and therefore your friends can't meet her and evaluate her and say, oh, I don't know, man. So women hold more negative views of same-sex bosses who've attained higher positions so as far as women wanting other women to succeed if you succeed as a woman very often you will face a.
[29:08] Lot of indirect like
[29:10] For men it's crazy making honestly for men it's kind of crazy making because as a man you have to kind of sniff the air if there are a bunch of dysfunctional females around which is again not to say all females are dysfunctional but when this is around, you know things will kind of change the air will kind of change the vague tectonics will shift a little bit you're not really sure what's going on because you don't really get or understand men aren't supposed to deal with or care about these whisper campaigns being waged by women as a whole but in the workforce and in other places it can be it can be pretty bad you know people just turn cold on you women in particular just turn cold on you they were formerly friendly now they're kind of cold you don't know what's going on, about this in my show the other day. The third time I was on the Joe Rogan show, and he ambushed me and had all this stuff queued up. It was supposed to be really bad stuff that I'd said, but it was all perfectly reasonable stuff, but it was supposed to be bad, right? And that was female. That was female instigated.
[30:08] Right?
[30:08] It was female because as a skilled martial artist, as Joe Rogan is, you don't sucker punch people, right? You don't invite them down when you've been perfectly friendly and then sucker punch them.
[30:19] Right?
[30:19] The way that men fight is we say, we're going to have a fight.
[30:23] Right? You're going to have a duel. Pistols at dawn. Go get ready.
[30:27] And then you have rules. You have fights.
[30:30] Rules.
[30:31] Even men in street fights generally have rules, right? No going for the eyes, no biting, no groin shots. They have rules. And you don't, if you have an issue with a guy and you want to fight him, then you say, we're going to meet and we're going to fight and so on, right? But what you don't do is invite him over for a nice dinner and then clock him in the back of her head with a wine bottle without warning. That's a sucker punch, right?
[30:54] It's gross.
[30:55] It's a female. So.
[30:57] Women exhibit more aggression in
[30:59] Resource-poor environments and increase their self-sexualization in areas of high-income inequality to compete for males.
[31:08] So, I mean,
[31:09] You'll see a lot of men and women, but we can focus on women for a moment. And again, I'm happy to get your thoughts and comments about this. And if this is not the topic for you.
[31:18] I've got some time.
[31:19] We can talk about whatever's on your mind. You can just request to talk. But this hyper-sexualization, when women are wearing more revealing clothing, and they've got those string bikinis, and so on, that is when there's high income inequality. So capitalism breeds high income inequality for reasons we've talked about before. I mean, it's the only chance for anyone to become wealthy, is to have income inequality. Because if you don't have a free market, everyone's equally poor. If you have a free market, some people will be wealthy, and some people will be less wealthy, but everyone will be more wealthy as a whole. So inequality is as if there's an option.
[32:04] Right?
[32:05] It's like saying inequality in the quality of singing voices. It's like, well, everyone's just born with the voice they have. And some people are born with great singing voices, and some people are born with bad singing voices. Some people are born with perfect pitch, and some people are born tone deaf, right? It's not inequality, like they can fix it, they can share it, right? If one kid has three sandwiches and one kid has one sandwich, you can take one sandwich, and so they both have two sandwiches. But the innate and internal gifts that grow wealth can't be transferred. We can't take a little.
[32:41] Goop, put it up Elon Musk's nose and redistribute his technical and business genius to other people. It doesn't work. You can't take, you know, half of Ben Hepner's voice and put it into mine so I could sing better. It's not how it works. He's got his voice, which is great for singing. And I have my voice, which is pretty good for podcasting, but not so great for singing, right? So, but we can't, we can't share that. We can't share that. So, when you have high-income inequality, then women tend to sexualize themselves more, which is why, as economic inequality rises, so does female sexual displays. So, let's look at some historical examples. Just some historical examples. Mary, Queen of Scots. Mary, Queen of Scots. Huggers enabled versus Queen Elizabeth. This is from the 16th century. So they were cousins. Mary, Queen of Scots, Queen Elizabeth I. They were cousins. Competed fiercely for the English throne. A lot of religious tensions, of course, post-Reformation, Catholic versus Protestant.
[33:48] Mary, as a potential heir to the English throne,
[33:52] Was seen as a threat to Elizabeth's rule. It was a decades-long rivalry. Mary engaged in plots against Elizabeth. I mean, I think it's true. we have to say, alleged, not for legal reasons, but just for moral reasons, you can't defame the dead, but including alleged involvement in assassination attempts, like the Babington plot.
[34:11] This was in 1586,
[34:12] Aimed to overthrow Elizabeth and install Mary as the queen. In response, Queen Elizabeth I imprisoned Mary for 19 years, ordered her execution on February the 8th, 1587, by beheading, took three blows. Mary's lips reportedly moved. Afterwards, Elizabeth's actions included signing the death warrant after Mary's conviction for treason, reflecting her need to eliminate a rival for power. This was intrasexual competition for status and resources, both vied for control over kingdoms and alliances. No direct mate competition, but implications for country, sorry, for courtly influence and survival.
[34:47] Ah, but of course women
[34:49] Are just so peaceful, so peaceful. As you know, female rulers start wars more than male rulers.
[34:56] Anne Boleyn versus
[34:56] Catherine of Aragon.
[34:58] So Anne was
[34:59] A lady-in-waiting And she competed with Queen Catherine For King Henry VIII's affection, remember? Big chunky guy, lots of gout Had a humiliation ritual journey to the Pope.
[35:10] To be the Queen Consul, Anne used her charm and intellect to court Henry, refusing to become his mistress and insisting on marriage, which pressured him to seek an annulment from Queen Catherine. This led to Henry's break from his Catholic Church, and this led to the English Reformation. Catherine, of course, resisted the annulment, appealing to the Pope and refusing to acknowledge Anne as Queen. She fought legally to retain her status. Anne's tactics included promoting Protestant reforms to align with Henry's desires, and then she eventually became the Queen in 1533. Catherine's supporters put down Anne as a witch or concubine. A lot of fights. Let's, uh, get slightly less elevated and slightly more modern.
[35:52] Joan Crawford, Mommy Dearest versus Betty Davis eyes.
[35:57] This was the 1930s all the way to the 1970s. So this was a feud between two movie stars, Joan Crawford, Betty Davis. Began in 1935. Crawford married Franchard Donne, Davis's co-star and crush from the film Dangerous. During the 1962 filming of, that's a pretty terrifying movie if you've ever seen it, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, tensions peaked. Davis allegedly installed a coke machine on set to taunt Crawford, who was a Pepsi board member. Well, Crawford reportedly weighted her costume to make a scene harder for Davis. Davis received an Oscar nomination. Crawford campaigned against her.
[36:34] Crawford's death in 1977, Betty Davis said, you should never say bad things about the dead, only good. Joan Crawford is dead.
[36:42] Good.
[36:44] So, intersexual competition for roles, and of course, as actresses age, the roles become fewer and fewer, therefore the competition becomes more and more fierce. As an old joke in Hollywood that there are only three roles for women, ingenue, district attorney, and driving Miss Daisy. Olivia de Havilland versus Joan Fontaine, this is the 1930s, all the way up to the 2010s. These were sibling actresses. They competed for roles, awards, lovers starting in the 1930s. In 1942, Joan Fontaine won an Oscar for the movie Suspicion, beating de Havilland, who was nominated for a movie called Hold Back the Dawn. I think that's about not doing dishes. And this intensified their jealousy. In 1947, when de Havilland won for To Each His Own, she snubbed Fontaine's congratulatory handshake on stage, a moment captured in photos. Fontaine later claimed de Havilland was jealous and made up lies, while de Havilland denied a feud in 2013, but admitted they hadn't spoken in years. They competed for the same parts and public favor. Win-lose, Fontaine accusing de Havilland of overshadowing her career. Debbie Reynolds versus Elizabeth Taylor. Elizabeth Taylor had the most appalling digestive issues known to human beings. The feud ignited 1958.
[37:55] When Taylor, grieving
[37:57] The death of her husband, Mike Todd, began an affair with Eddie Fisher. Eddie Fisher? Was that Carrie Fisher's dad? Anyway, this is Debbie Reynolds' husband, leading to Fisher's divorce from Reynolds in 1959 to marry Elizabeth Taylor, who was then called the most beautiful woman. She had this brunette hair, violet eyes, round cherubic face.
[38:17] Three-time husband, I think it
[38:18] Was Richard Burton, referred to her as Miss Tits. It's a little coarse, but he's Welsh. What could you expect? Was she Welsh, I think she was. Irish, Welsh.
[38:26] Anyway.
[38:28] Debbie Reynolds publicly expressed betrayal. It was shocking, a shocking scandal that.
[38:33] Elizabeth Taylor took her husband.
[38:36] And so she attacks, and it was pretty indefensible, and of course, the morals were much higher back then about this kind of stuff. Elizabeth Taylor went rubber bones and said, no, I was emotionally vulnerable. He took advantage of me, right? So when one woman attacks the other, citing immorality and predatory and exploited behavior, if the other woman can't defend herself, then she simply moves towards victimhood, vulnerability, and tries to shift the aggression from her own helpless and damaged self and vulnerable and tragically trapped by love self to an exploitive, predatory man, right? So one woman says to the other, you're a predator, the other woman, if she can't defend herself, she did steal her husband. She will then turn around and say, no, no, no, I wasn't the predator. The man was the predator. I was just a victim. I loved him so much, right? That's a standard issue stuff, right? Yeah, Fisher's daughter, Carrie Fisher. Jennifer Aniston versus Angelina Jolie. Oh, we're getting close to things that even I might understand. So Brad Pitt had an affair with Angelina Jolie during the filming of a movie called Mr. and Mrs. Smith. It's not a bad movie, actually. 2005. So he then divorced Aniston. Aniston publicly discussed the pain in interviews. It's uncool, implying betrayal. And so the media, of course, set them against each other. America's sweetheart, Jennifer Aniston, the homewrecker, Angelina Jolie, the vampire, the witch, sneaks in, takes your husband.
[40:01] So they had a feud, symbolized a high-value partner pit, public sympathy, and so on. Britney Spears versus Christina Aguilera. We get all of that. Cardi B versus Nicki Minaj.
[40:14] And a big one here,
[40:15] Tonya Harding versus Nancy Kerrigan. This is the 90s. This is a wild thing, man. So if you've not heard this story, I'll keep it brief. So leading up to the 1994 Olympics, Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were figure skaters. And figure skating is incredibly fetishistic to women. I'm not sure exactly why. I think it in weightlessness and fairy and so on, everyone's got, of course, great physiques who are figure skaters. But figure skating is catnip for women. And again, delightfully incomprehensible. I don't really get it. It's obviously highly skilled and difficult work. And women love it. Maybe it's the dance elements, maybe it's the gliding element. I'm not sure, but I can only go so deep into the female nature before I get completely lost and my balls go back up into my body. So they were both figure scalers. So leading up to the 94 Olympics, Tonya Harding's ex-husband and associates orchestrated an attack on Nancy Kerrigan beat her knee with a beton to eliminate her from competition. Harding denied prior knowledge, but pleaded guilty to hindering prosecution she got probation and a ban from skating.
[41:19] Kerrigan, and, you know, one of them looked kind of low-rent, one of them looked more aristocratic, so when the visuals match the story, everyone gets really excited. Nancy Kerrigan recovered from this attack with the baton on her knee to win silver at the Olympics. Of course, the media portrayed Tonya Harding as the villain from a working-class background, and Kerrigan had this aristocratic princess image. And, of course, they're not just competing for Olympic medals, they're competing for all of the life-changing endorsements that can come after, you know, the, the difference between winning and losing at the highest levels of sports is microscopic, right? There's an old Jerry Seinfeld joke.
[41:56] You know, like a hundred meter dash.
[41:58] It's so close, you know, hundredth of a second, two hundredth of a second. And he's like, the guy's like, man, if I had a pimple on my nose, I'd have won. It's that close, right? And those microscopic differences are the difference between getting $10 million in endorsements and almost nothing. So.
[42:13] There's a lot
[42:14] Of crazy stuff going on. Of course, you know, the rap battles, people fighting East Coast versus West Coast, all of that kind of stuff.
[42:21] So yeah, intersexual competition is, it.
[42:25] Is the eternal battle
[42:26] Between the angels and the flesh, right? The angels are drawn towards higher abstract virtues and elevated principles and so on. And those are beautiful, wonderful things. And you need to have morals in order to have love and love is the greatest gift. But a lot of people choose to not be moral. And when you choose not to be moral, what are you left with? You're left with amoral advantage calculations.
[42:51] Right?
[42:51] Thou shalt not bear false witness. Don't gossip, right? And as somebody who's been, I mean, I'm not the most lied about guy in the universe, but I'm sure as hell not the least lied about guy in the universe, right? And it's pretty wild, you know, when you know who you are, and then you see other people's perceptions of you, you just know that there's a war. There's a war between truth and falsehood. Now, there's no war between truth and falsehood in nature. Everyone lies. The tiger's like, oh, I'm not a tiger. I'm just a, I'm just some tall grass, man. Don't worry about it. I'm just, I'm not here. I'm going to go upwind. I'm going to go, sorry, downwind, so you can't smell me. And I'm going to have stripes, so I just look like, I'm not here. I'm not here, man. Camouflage, right?
[43:34] The chameleon is like, no, no, no,
[43:36] I'm not here, man. I'm just going to blend into the background. Same with the octopus. It's all deception, right? That little cuttlefish, pretends to be a female cuttlefish, swims past all the males guarding the females, then mates with the females. It's all deception. All deception. The cuckoo lays the egg in another bird's nest. The other birds are just programmed to feed the biggest bird because that's in they don't have a max. They don't have a maximum, so they'll feed the biggest bird even if it's twice their size. It's all deception, lies, falsehoods, manipulation. Darwinian evolutionary biological advantage. Win, win, win.
[44:13] And so we have,
[44:14] It used to be called the better angels of our nature.
[44:18] The flesh, the flesh.
[44:20] I call it being dicknapped, right? A man lets his penis do the thinking for him. Or a woman gets overtaken by lust for a man's resources, lust for a man's sexual dominance or whatever freaky stuff women are into these days, Lord knows, the world has not been the same since Fifty Shades of Grey. The most popular female sexuality book in human history, where apparently it's totally fine, according to this book, to beat up on women if you can play piano and have your own helicopter. Then that's fine. It's good, sexy, hot, even, right? And yeah, seeing this stuff is eye-opening.
[44:59] To put it mildly.
[45:01] So we have the better angels of our nature. We have the rules, the morals.
[45:06] Right?
[45:07] Tell the truth.
[45:09] Display moral courage. Don't back down when you're in the right.
[45:15] Memory, I've never disavowed anything I know to be true, even though there's been a lot of pressure.
[45:20] A lot of punishment.
[45:21] I mean, it's just a deal. That's the deal. That's the gig, right? Being a philosopher and being afraid of controversy and hostility is like being a doctor and fainting at the sight of the blood. Blood is the deal as a surgeon, right? Controversy and hostility from corrupt and immoral people, that's the deal for a philosopher. And there's great rewards as a philosopher, great rewards, particularly as a moral philosopher, which is the only kind of philosopher that really matters. So we want to aim at high moral standards and elevated, beautiful moral ideals and objectives. Lovely. But there's a part of us that pulls for just victory, dominance, success, not in terms of morals, but in terms of reproduction at any cost. It doesn't matter, because the only greatest cost for the genes is not reproducing. That's the only thing that matters. By hook or by crook, in the dual meaning of the word, right? A triple. Shepard's crook. Crooked and a thief like a crook. Criminal.
[46:21] Win by whatever means necessary.
[46:24] Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing, right, as some people say.
[46:28] So those are my thoughts as to why I think this is cooking along. And of course, I know some of you, I don't mind that you're listening at work. Just, you know, keep the headphones in. It's nice if you have long hair, right? Women can listen to headphones or guys with long hair can listen to headphones and nobody really knows. But yeah, if you have anything that you wanted to comment, it could be about this or any other topic, questions, issues, challenges, criticisms, whatever's on your mind, I will give people a moment if you want to.
[46:54] Raise your hand,
[46:55] Or we can keep this as a solo show and hook up later. Everyone's waiting for me to finish. It does happen. I mean, rumor has it. Rumor has it it happens. I'm just going to wait for, you know, 30 seconds in case anybody wants to chat. They call him. Tim, come on, light up some Monty Python. Yeah, light up some Monty Python bushes for me, my friend. What's on your mind?
[47:20] I want to talk about the pick me's that you mentioned at the beginning. So the way I think about it is that a pick me is kind of like a hooker, or it's sort of like she's offering up sex, but she doesn't really demand a ton of commitment or investment from the men. That kind of drives down the price.
[47:38] Well, no, that would be a slut. Sorry, that would be a slut. A pick me, I don't think that's what pick me refers to, but I'm obviously happy to be schooled if I'm missing something.
[47:48] Well, I'm not saying they're exactly the same. I'm saying they're sort of similar or they're treated similar.
[47:53] Okay, so your definition of the pick me is a woman who offers up sex with little requirement for commitment and that's called a pick me?
[48:02] I think, yeah, or she's a little bit eager as opposed to the other
[48:05] Women who are more cool.
[48:07] Okay, hang on, hang on. But offering up sex and just being eager to date, they're two different things, right? Yes so which is it and i i mean no it's just not not just one thing but i i said i hate the pick me as a slur and listen we obviously can have the debate and i'm not saying i'm right but i dislike the pick me as a slur so if you say but a pick me refers to a woman who tries to get dates by offering up free sex well i would disapprove of that so it wouldn't be a slur for me but i don't think that's what it means but again i'm i'm happy to be educated since uh you sound a little younger than me sure.
[48:42] So by the way i i also don't like pick me as a slur i'm just talking about it so i'm not i i'm saying that so i i am saying how so this is my perception of how women see it so i'm not i'm not saying they are sluts i'm saying they're seen as similar to sluts obviously they're not complete slots right or they were just like slut
[49:01] sorry
[49:02] No the the pick me girls are not complete sluts
[49:05] correct
[49:06] yeah i mean so sorry go ahead.
[49:09] So let's say you had a group of girls and there are some guys that they're hanging out with one girl you know the rest of the girls are kind of seeing you know how things are which guys are they into maybe they don't really display interest overtly at all there may be there may be one girl in the group who is just kind of pawing at the guys they're just just saying
[49:30] No no that's
[49:31] just laughing at all the jokes and stuff
[49:32] no pick me is passive no hang on pick me is passive Pick me is not a woman going up and throwing a guy to the floor and, you know, hoping to land between him and the floor. That's not. So a pick me is a woman who is enthusiastic at performing actions that men find appealing. Now, that's not some sort of twerky bump and grind stuff. That would be just a slut or something like that. And again, I'm not condoning these terms. I'm just saying that this is what they are. But a pick me girl is enthusiastic about being picked, which means she's going to alter her behavior to be appealing to men.
[50:06] That's a pick-me-girl. Me pick me
[50:09] It's kind of passive right because the decision is then on the person who picks so it's not sexual aggression it's not romantic aggression it's just a woman i mean it comes down to a woman who's interested in being attractive or appealing to men or pleasing men so.
[50:27] I you know i may be kind of kind of explaining it or maybe i could give an example a slightly different an example. So let's say you had a group of, a mixed group, right? Some girls, some guys, and one girl always laughs at the guy's jokes. That's an example. Whereas the other girls might kind of hold back. They might be waiting for that same guy to invest in them, right? But then if you have one girl who's kind of more showing interest overtly, or it's not super overt,
[50:58] But she's trying to be, she's trying to endear herself to the man she's interested in.
[51:03] That's right.
[51:05] And to my question is, yes, of course she is, because that's what we do. It's sort of like going to saying, I'm going to go to a job interview, but I don't want them to pick me. It's like, well, of course you do, right? You dress up nicely, you shave, you bring a crisp, clean copy of your resume, right? You firm.
[51:21] Handshake, you maybe a little
[51:22] Aftershave or whatever it is, right? You put your best foot forward because you want the job. It's the same thing with women. if you're interested in a guy, find out what he likes and work to deliver it. I mean, listen, as a man, you see, I noticed this the other day. It's so ridiculous. I was out walking around and an attractive woman went by. What happened to my stomach? You ever done this?
[51:51] you suck it in?
[51:52] Yeah, of course. Right. It's involuntary. I mean, I'm happily married. I'm not going to date anybody else, right? Or it's kind of a running gag in my household that every time my wife is about to touch my arm, what do I do? That's right. I flex. Now, you know, we've kind of got each other. We're committed. We're in, right? But nonetheless, right? I will do things that.
[52:18] My wife finds
[52:19] Pleasing. And I have the involuntary response. I'm walking past some woman and I are crossing paths. She's attractive. My stomach goes, I didn't even notice it until like.
[52:28] What the hell? What am I doing,
[52:30] Right? So doing things that someone you are romantically interested in would find attractive is good.
[52:40] Right?
[52:40] I mean, if you want to be picked for a sports team, then showing skills that the people who are doing the picking want is how you get picked. That's good. Like, if you want to get picked to play in the Major League Baseball team, go up to the show, then you've got to show your skills. Oh, pick me, Of course it's pick me. Everything is pick me. I want people to pick my show over other people's shows. So I do things that are hopefully positive to the audience, not in the short run. I mean, you should have seen the unfollows I got when I was taking on the druggies. The unfollows I got were truly spectacular. And part of me is like, ah, and the other part of me is like, good. The purge, the cleansing. It's a good thing. So yeah, everything in life is pick me. You go for a job. You want to be picked. You're like a girl. You wanted to pick you. You're going out for a sports team. You want to, I mean, if you're an, when I was an actor, I'd go out for auditions, right? Pick me. Pick me. Yes. Yes. Of course. You want to act as well as you can so.
[53:40] That they pick you for the
[53:41] Role. Of course. So, I mean, denigrating pick me is weird to me. It basically, it's, again, this is a form of intrasexual competition. So women say to another woman, oh, if you're doing things that a man likes, you're just a pick me girl. And that's to make her feel, well, I don't want to be a pick-me girl, so I guess I'll stop doing the things that men like, and then that makes it easier for the other women to scoop up the men.
[54:03] That's all it is.
[54:05] Can I ask one more thing about what you said? Not related to Pick Me. So I think you had one example or a story where you said you're walking with two women and you saw a hot woman, but she was kind of dressed in a revealing way. Do you have a line or do you have something where you say, I mean, obviously women, like, you know, some women are fit, they want to dress well. Do you have a line where you say, that is too revealing and I'm not going to pursue that woman?
[54:33] Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.
[54:36] Because a woman
[54:37] Who's putting that excessive amount of sexual appeal forward is damaged goods. Because it's in the same way that if.
[54:48] A guy pulls up wearing a $100,000
[54:50] Rolex in his Bugatti, it's too much. It's too much because I want to know the person. I don't want to be overwhelmed by the stimuli, if that makes sense. And a woman who's overtly sexualized, and I don't mean, you know, she doesn't have to dress in a burka, just, you know, a nice sundress, right? So, but a woman who's overly sexualized is saying, this is the most valuable thing about me, is sexual access. And she's appealing to our selected lust rather than case-elected appreciation of character and virtue. And these are not exclusive, right? I mean, you can lust after a woman who's moral. It's really the only sustainable lust that there is. And also, it's kind of like a drug. So, I've talked to enough men to know that the more sexual a woman is at the beginning of the relationship, the less sexual she is later, because she resents you. Like, if you have to spend $500 or $1,000 on every date for a woman, at some point, you just get annoyed at having to spend all that money, and then you don't want to give her a damn thing. It's the same thing with sex. So, it's a drug. You get a high up front, maybe a lot of sex at the beginning but the resentment kicks in the hollowness kicks in, and and you kind of have to lie to women like that because you have to say oh no i it's you i like you know when basically you just want to make the beast with two backs or whatever so yeah it doesn't definitely for me that's a it's a huge red flag
[56:15] how about in the gym these women who you know everybody has like the backless tops and like the short shorts
[56:23] Oh, I went to yoga. I went to yoga. I know. Sorry, what about them?
[56:29] Well, I mean, what do you do with that? It seems more prevalent than ever. It's almost like a convention.
[56:36] Women get an erotic charge out of men lusting after them. I mean, the right men, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, it's just natural, it's nature. But women do get an erotic charge out of being lusted after. And so a lot of women will say a bunch of silly stuff, as do men, right? But they'll say silly stuff while putting on their makeup, right? On videos, on social media or doing other things, right? So, yeah, so a woman who is posting these sort of skin-tight leotard workout videos, and I assume that she has a sort of shapely figure and this kind of stuff, she is being bombarded with male lust that no women in history have ever been bombarded with. It's a massive, hugely problematic overstimulation. So, any attractive woman online is going to get thousands of messages a year. Thousands and thousands of, you know, the greatest, you're so hot, you know, and that's heady, but it's overstimulating. And then, of course, if she gets into a monogamous relationship, then all of those thousands of anonymous lust messages are supposed to kind of vanish, right? And then she's just got to try to be content with one man, and it's not. To me, I mean, being an influencer would also be a big red flag these days.
[58:02] Not, you know, if you're into,
[58:04] Like, I interviewed Prax Girl many years ago, did Praxeological Analysis of Economics with, I think, a male writer. But if it's, you know, a sexualized influencer, a man's attention can't compete with the attention of the world. And she's probably kind of fried her receptors to the point where, you know, normal human attachment and affection feels like almost nothing to her.
[58:26] Got it. Thank you. Thank you.
[58:28] I appreciate that.
[58:29] All right.
[58:30] I did have to figure out how to turn the mic on.
[58:33] There you go.
[58:34] Yeah.
[58:34] I just wanted to chime in on the whole pick me discussion. I get most of my human interaction from the internet. So I'm constantly called a pick me girl just for having opinions which align more with men's opinions. And it's disgusting. It is just like an attack tactic that women use. To me, I didn't even know it had anything to do with being loose or offering sex. You know, I never heard of it in that context. I thought the original meaning was like I was forming my beliefs to what I thought men would want to believe, you know, what I would think men would want to hear. But it's,
[59:07] Know if it's
[59:08] Ironic or not like those are
[59:09] My true beliefs
[59:10] You know like i'm kind of an anti-feminist like men are right most of the time like all these things that he said about women like i've lived it my whole life and it makes me hate being a woman it makes me want to identify as a gender queer you know because i'm not for all these women with their games i don't know if i'm autistic i'm undiagnosed you know but like my mind just functions more logical like a man yeah
[59:30] First of all i appreciate you coming in it's actually when we're talking about women it's actually nice to have a woman. No, exactly, right? So, okay, so let's toss that, all that aside. So tell me, not all, but you know, like maybe I'm autistic, but if like, no, you can be a woman who appreciates men and not be autistic. I would hope that's.
[59:49] Not the diagnosis, right?
[59:50] Right.
[59:51] So tell me, intra-sexual female competition. How have you suffered from the mean girls phenomenon over the.
[59:58] Course of your life?
[59:59] Well, that's the thing. That's why I said, oh, I might be autistic. Like they just, they just pick me out. They just pick me out and they target me. You know, it's like ever since I was in kindergarten, before I even knew how to interact with people, I didn't know why they were making fun. I didn't realize that I was different at that point. You know, by the time you're in high school, I'm dressed in all in black, you know, I'm a punk rocker. But even in like kindergarten, I don't know. It's like they just have to identify the weakest link and attack them or the strongest link. Like I, I don't have anything on them. you know they're they're pretty they're thinner than me like i have i guess i'm i'm smarter i have a higher intellect but that's it they just like they target me and you know the other women just shit talk you you know it's fake kindness and backhanded compliments and they're one thing to your face and then another thing to your back and then that's what i mean like i just wish that i was a man i wish that gender did not exist because of the horrible horrible sour treatment I've received from women.
[1:00:57] I'm really sorry about that and trust me, as a man in the modern world, you don't get to escape gossip. To escape verbal sabotage, often from women. So there is no, maybe on Mars, maybe. But so can you think of a specific time.
[1:01:15] Or example where this
[1:01:17] Kind of sabotage reared its ugly head in particular in competition for boys or men?
[1:01:22] Not really, because the men kind of like, the right men choose me anyway. So like I'm not, I don't place myself in direct competition with them because we're going for entirely different men. The kind of things that women make fun of. Oh, look, he's scrawny. Oh, look, he's a nerd. Oh, look, he's an intellectual. Of course, that's the guy that I go after. You want to talk to me for trains about an hour? That's cool. I can talk to you about serial killers for an hour, you know, the occult, like weird stuff. So I go for the weirdos. So honestly, I've really just been attacked, like, you know, personally on a personal level just to take me down, not like anything with men.
[1:02:02] Okay, so I think that the, is this something to do with you had a good relationship with your dad or where do you think you got the sort of more positive response to men than a lot.
[1:02:12] Of women had?
[1:02:13] Well, see, that's a really interesting story because I'm very anti-woman. My mother probably pedifies the worst inhumanity that you can find in a female, the way that she treated my dad. And then that's the thing. It's like, it's so weird because she had one child after me because she realized I wasn't going to conform to her evil feminine wiles. So she had my sister, and she completely succeeded in brainwashing my sister and making a carbon copy of herself.
[1:02:44] Stereotypical man-hater. My mother tried to indoctrinate me and had me believe that men were worthless scum. She was way before the third-wave feminism and all this. She just said that men were worthless, and then I saw it, and she prevented me from having contact with my dad as a child even though he lived in the same house he was just a wallet she called him the fat man or the devil and she was just the worst the worst representation of humanity so she eventually divorced him found another man to leave you off of and i have a great relationship with my dad now i had to contact him as an adult and get through all this you know because he thought i hated him he didn't know if i was brainwashed or not so that's just kind of made me anti-woman and then that's why i get called the pick-me-girl, because I am kind of anti-woman, because I can see through their bullshit. I don't know why most people can't. People are so, like, their brains are so malleable, like, you can just form it to be whatever you want. And that's a sad thing, that women have children, and then they can just indoctrinate them to hate men.
[1:03:45] I mean, that certainly is a bit of a single mom phenomenon these days. And I think one of the things that may have been going on, like, last thing I want to do is tell you about your life. But my gut sense is that if you are having good conversations with men, that raises the bar for a lot of women. Because a lot of women don't work on conversational skills.
[1:04:05] With men because they
[1:04:07] Work on makeup and exercise and, you know, looking good and attracting men that way. And then they expect a man to do all the work. And what happens is the men are like, okay, I'm sitting across from an ornament. Like I'm sitting across from an ornament without any conversational skills. And while that may not impede low rent sexual activity, it certainly does impede long-term relationships because long-term relationships, you know, marriage is a conversation that lasts a half a century or more. And so if you're good at conversing with men, you're raising the bar for the women who are focusing on just being physically attractive. And if a man has a good conversation with you, and he's like, wow, women can really talk about stuff that's interesting and fascinating, then the women.
[1:04:49] Who are following
[1:04:50] Love Island and the Kardashians feel at a loss. They can't compete with that, so then they have to attack you that way.
[1:04:57] Right. And then, see, that's the thing. Like I said, they never had to attack me to get a guy away from me or to compete for the same guys, because the guys could see through their bullshit too. If you want a piece of ass, go with them. If you want an intellectual conversation, go with me, you know, and to be treated kindly and fairly, not like as an ATM.
[1:05:16] And given the man's voice in the background, I assume that your romantic life worked out all right.
[1:05:21] Yeah, it did.
[1:05:22] Good, good.
[1:05:23] You want to dox yourself,
[1:05:24] Sweetheart?
[1:05:25] No, no, don't. Okay, good. Listen, I appreciate your comments. And yeah, women who can have great conversations with men. Yeah, they're called pick me.
[1:05:34] Oh, you're just changing
[1:05:35] Your personality to what men like. You're so fake. And it's like, oh, yeah, and you with your hairspray and your makeup and your teeth whiteners, oh, oh, so authentic, so authentic. There's nothing wrong whatsoever with adjusting how you present yourself in order to be appealing to the opposite sex. And you are looking for a long term appeal, which is conversation rather than a short term sexual appeal, which is showing a lot of skin. And that's R versus K, as I've talked about before. There's a sort of fundamental war between the short-term stimulants and the long-range planners in the world. All right. Well, thank you very much. You're welcome back anytime. Appreciate the comment.
[1:06:13] Oh, well, yeah. Is anybody else lined up, or can I say something else?
[1:06:17] We have a bunch of people lined up, but if you want to keep it relatively quick, I'm sorry to rush you, but I'd love to hear more of what.
[1:06:23] You have to say. Honestly, it involves body count, and it's really disturbing how many women judge women on their body count. And it's a conversation for later that I'd love to discuss.
[1:06:35] No, sorry. What is it that women judge other women by their body count?
[1:06:39] Oh.
[1:06:40] It men but yeah men and women and it just encourages lying it's like if i have a content of character and i had a slut phase that doesn't diminish my capacity to love a man you know my heart was broken at a very young age i wanted to get married when i was like in my early 20s and then that asshole just ghosted me so i went out and i fucked a bunch of people and then now because i have integrity i'm never going to lie about it but men you know judge me for the high body count and then And that's something that really disturbs me.
[1:07:08] And why, well, you don't have to get into any particular details. Are we talking dozens or like what is your rough, you know, in the vicinity of body count?
[1:07:20] It is now like 40.
[1:07:23] Okay.
[1:07:25] So do you think that.
[1:07:27] It's wrong for...
[1:07:28] And I'm 42 years old. So it was like, you know, over the course of my life.
[1:07:31] Okay.
[1:07:32] And did you become a mother? Okay. So why would you think that it would be bad or wrong for a man to judge you for having a body count roughly your age?
[1:07:44] Because I have the intellectual capacity to differentiate between, oh, I'm going to get drunk and fuck this guy and it means nothing and decides. I stopped making decisions like that when I was in my 20s. And then, you know, like in my 30s, I had like a few different, you know, like flings. But I don't really regret any of them. I don't want to have to regret any of them. The problem I feel is that if you're a Christian, that's fine. If you're a Christian, Muslim, you want to judge people on that, that's fine. But nowadays, a lot of conservative gentlemen are atheists and they're still going to judge you on their body count and throw that in your face before they get to know you and the content of your character. I just don't think that it's always a fair representation of the content of your character. I feel like you could just discuss with the woman at length why she has a high body count. And you should be able to ascertain if she's a slut, if she's a bimbo, like vapid slut, or if it was just, you know, like a problematic period in her life. Or also, what you mentioned, I was born in low economic statuses. So one of the things that I did, I wanted to get away. I wanted to get away from my evil mother. And I had no means financially to do it. So it's like, that's kind of like, you know, it feels like poor, poor people, low economic people sleep around a lot more to try and find, you know, like a partner so we can start a life together. And then it just always failed.
[1:09:07] Weren't sleeping with the men, if you had like dozens of sexual relationships in your 20s, you weren't sleeping with the men for long-term stuff. You said you just wanted to F the guy, right?
[1:09:18] Right. I mean, that's the thing. It's a little bit of each, you know, to be honest with you, because sometimes, you know, and then much of the men I met on the internet, of course. And then it's like, you know, you meet them and you might want for something more and you might have sex with them. You might enjoy it. And then it's like, I just, I don't think that we should regret that because when you find a husband for life, the sex should be magical. You know, men have a higher sex drive than women. It's really important for the woman to be very, very, very attracted to the man. And I feel like if she's a virgin, how can you choose a sexual partner based on nothing, you know? It's like it has to be a complete union of the physical, intellectual, and spiritual. That's what I feel like a marriage is. So it's like you're
[1:10:03] Taking out a bird of it if.
[1:10:05] You never even have sex with them.
[1:10:06] No, but if you care about your partner, then you find out what they like and you do that, right? So, I mean, as far as quality sex goes, you don't need a lot of... It's like saying, well, you have to eat at a thousand different restaurants to find out what you like to eat.
[1:10:22] I mean, if you
[1:10:22] Enjoy eating something and then, you know, the chef says, oh, I'll tweak it to make it even better for you, that's going to be fine. And so it is not the case that you need to have a bunch of sexual experiences in order to have good sex in a relationship. Because if you love someone, you'll find out what they like and do that. So that's it. But it's interesting because as a woman, you're talking about how you feel, right? I shouldn't be shamed. I shouldn't feel bad. I feel fine about it. I feel good about it and so on. And these are all your feelings. But what? Try, because, you know, this is the challenge when we're looking at different viewpoints. So what is the, there's a straw man, which is a weak argument. What's the steel man case as to why men should care about body count? Like if you were to put yourself into the shoes of a, like a really high value or high status man, what would his issues be with a high body count? Like just try and argue it from his perspective.
[1:11:16] Well, now listen, I'm very happy that you asked this question because my steel argument is I am an orthodox Christian and I will only marry another virgin. I'm a virgin. My sister actually did that.
[1:11:27] I was that side an orthodox Christian.
[1:11:29] No, no, no. That's a straw man argument. What's the steel man argument as to why a man would be concerned with a high body count?
[1:11:35] Then please allow me to give you the only other argument that I hear,
[1:11:39] Which is extremely disturbing.
[1:11:40] No, no, no. Not what you hear. No, this is an act of imagination, not of reproduction. So put yourself in the shoes of a high-status, high-value man looking at a woman with a very high body count? What are his issues? What would he be troubled by and what? I'm not saying you would agree with it, but what do you think?
[1:11:59] His issue is objectifying the woman to a used car. And he says, I want to buy a new car.
[1:12:05] I don't want a car.
[1:12:06] No, that's not steel. Hang on. That's not steel manning, right? You're talking about your conversation skills. Hang on, hang on, hang on. You're talking about your conversation skills, talking about all of this, which is great. But you need to be able to understand, like, i can i can argue against myself i can argue against the free market i can argue for circumcision right you have to be able to understand why people would have an issue with you doesn't mean you have to agree with it but you do have to understand it right not you personally but yeah so what would what would what would the argument be from a high value man about why he'd be cautious about a high body count.
[1:12:41] You're going to have to tell me because there is no issue other than objectifying a woman and saying men have the right to have sex with as many people as they want but women do not have that right it's putting us back in the stone age you know where they're going to check us for hymens and stuff like this is just it's just i mean that's i understand okay i understand the implication is that it's a loose woman but that's the thing that's what i'm saying that's not an iron thing to me it's not an iron argument because just have a conversation with the woman and maybe 99 out of 100 of those women are sluts and they're stupid, but somebody like me just had their heart broken. They slept with guys. I think of myself as a hippie-free spirit. It doesn't deplete the amount of love or faith or dedication that I can give to a man.
[1:13:25] Okay, so you just did make the steel man argument in case you didn't notice.
[1:13:29] Oh, no.
[1:13:30] I know you're going to say that was it.
[1:13:32] Do you remember? No, no, no. What was the steel man argument you just made?
[1:13:36] The the the non-steelman argument is that it's an indication of your like
[1:13:41] No the steelman argument you said was that maybe 99 out of 100 women with a high body count are dumb or slutty now i'm not agreeing with that but that would be so if it's 99 out of 100 women with a high body count are going to be negative for a high value man if 99 out of 100 then wouldn't you just avoid them all together, because what's.
[1:14:04] The point of trying
[1:14:04] To sift through that and try and find that one in a hundred? And, you know, maybe you're the one in the hundred and I'll get all of that. But high value men, intelligent men, we know how to work the odds. Right? So it's like if, and as you say, everyone lies about it anyway, right?
[1:14:21] So.
[1:14:22] If it's 99 out of 100 women are damaged goods with a high body count, then you can understand why men as a whole would want to avoid them, right? I mean, I would avoid parachuting if 99 times out of 100, the parachute didn't open, right? But there's that one time that it does open. It's like, but the risks are too high. Right. Okay, good. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you for the conversation. I really do appreciate that.
[1:14:49] Yeah, no problem. I'd love to speak with you again. Thanks.
[1:14:52] Very interesting. Peter, eater of pumpkins. What is on your mind? Don't forget to unmute.
[1:14:58] Hello, can you hear me?
[1:14:59] Yes, go ahead.
[1:15:01] Hi, Stefan. Nice to speak to you. I wanted to know, you know, your UPB. I think you consider it probably your, you know, your breakthrough or seminal work. I was wondering, in a sort of an alternative scenario, you know, where you had the choice to, how do you say, not some, sorry
[1:15:22] you need to hang on listen i know it's stressful like i do this all the time and it's new for you but if you could just take a deep breath you're you're making my cortisol spike with your tension so we're just just having a friendly chat here there's no no no fight no hostility we can have an amiable pleasure chat about morality so ah deep breath and let's roll
[1:15:43] all right sure thank you uh yeah i wanted to know you know your your upbi think you consider like Like your most, like one of your.
[1:15:50] Okay, you already said that.
[1:15:50] So I thought. One of your most important intellectual.
[1:15:52] Let's get to the question.
[1:15:53] Yeah. In your scenario where you were, you know, you know, you're, you were a home parenting at the time, but you had not quite completed UPB at the time.
[1:16:05] Let's say, you know, you, or let's say you, you know, you had, you had large, like, you know, like obligations, family obligations or work obligations, but you, or particularly family obligations.
[1:16:16] How would you change your calculus differently in terms of like how you would have strategized things if you were not quite done with UPB. That's sort of the big question I'm curious about.
[1:16:27] I'm not sure I understand it, and I apologize if I missed something. So are.
[1:16:31] You saying if
[1:16:32] I hadn't completed UPB when I became a father, how would that have changed me completing UPB?
[1:16:38] No, how would that have changed to you in terms of how you would, yes, not necessarily completing UPB, but in terms of, you know, you had dedicated yourself, I think, to a stay-at-home father, and you had sort of, you know, you'd make sacrifices in terms of putting things on hold with regards to the, I know you had still had the show, of course, but, you know, like in terms of like, let's say you had two or three years of you had to do this sort of solid grind that would have taken to.
[1:17:02] Oh, no, just for those who, sorry to interrupt, so just for those who don't know, like I basically didn't write any books for 10 years because I was parenting. And now that my daughter's older, I'm back on writing books and so on. So, yes, I did take a decade off from writing books. and I used to be writing like two books a year, so like 20 books I didn't write because I was parenting. So I fully accept that I had to restrain myself from some activities which I enjoyed because I enjoyed parenting more, and it was more of a responsibility, if that makes sense.
[1:17:30] But I'm still not sure what your question is, and I apologize if I missed it.
[1:17:35] So, I mean, I assume, for example, maybe I'm mischaracterizing how you feel about UPB, but I consider that, again, you're seminal work in a sense. So putting yourself in that context where you...
[1:17:52] Okay, so sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm sorry to interrupt. I get that you're anxious, and I appreciate that, but I do have to be sensitive to the audience.
[1:17:59] So yes i consider upb one of my one of the most important things i've done and i think it's the one that will last the longest so yes seminal work absolutely agree i'm still not sure what your question is so if you could just try and boil it down to 10 seconds or 15 seconds i'd appreciate that
[1:18:12] so how how would you would you have would you have would you have would you have would you have then changed you know for example like trying to figure out how would you then figure out how to balance you know for example if you needed to with your with your with your parenting? Is it just a matter of just working? Would you just like, okay, I'm going to just work five extra hours through the night, burn myself out and doing both because this is very important and I'm going to try to do that. And parenting, this is kind of what I'm asking about.
[1:18:41] I think I understand. So the larger obligations to humanity and philosophy versus personal obligations to family. Well, I would say that personal obligations to family come first and foremost, but also my personal obligations to my daughter is to try and create a more moral world for her to grow up in, and that involves UPB. So focusing on UPB is not exclusive to doing what is best for my daughter, if that makes sense.
[1:19:08] Yep, that makes sense.
[1:19:09] All right. Thanks, man. I appreciate it.
[1:19:12] Yacht.
[1:19:13] I really feel I can touch this. Alpha, if you want to unmute. Alpha, let me be the omega to your beta. What is on your mind?
[1:19:23] Can't hear you, Pete.
[1:19:25] Can you hear me now?
[1:19:26] Yes, go ahead.
[1:19:27] Yes, I appreciate that little word played, Alpha Omega. That was very funny. Title for the conversation is Female Sexual Competition Conversations. I don't know. I just joined the live, so I don't know. Is it strictly that, or can I deviate from the actual topic?
[1:19:43] You can be a deviant. Absolutely.
[1:19:45] In this particular context, I will oblige. My question is specific to the part about peaceful parenting, because you have spoken quite a lot about homeschooling your children. I don't know if that was the case for your daughter.
[1:20:03] If you can confirm.
[1:20:05] Yes.
[1:20:06] How would you go about homeschooling your children in a country? Because I currently live in Stockholm, Sweden. How would you be going about that in regards to compulsory schooling, which is something that is implemented as a law for children that they have to go to school, public schooling?
[1:20:25] Well just leave the country?
[1:20:27] Well, that is quite a solution.
[1:20:30] There's no other solution, right? If it's illegal, you can't do it. So if you want to homeschool your kids and you're in a place like Sweden or Germany or other places where you can't do it, you leave the country and you go to a place where you can homeschool.
[1:20:42] Any recommendations now that I have one of the biggest proponents of homeschooling? Canada?
[1:20:49] Canada is great for homeschooling. It's actually less restrictive than America and certainly in some places in America. So yeah in i have a friend who homeschools in florida and there's a lot of you know some bureaucracy and you canada's very very free when it comes to homeschooling it's one of the freest countries in the world regarding that so i can't give you any recommendations because i don't know you know circumstances business industry family ties or whatever it is but if it's illegal i mean i'm not sure why this is a particularly complicated question and i'm not insulting your intelligence i I mean, if you can't do it where you are, you have to go where you can do it. Or put your kids in the government schools, which, I mean, I don't think is a great idea.
[1:21:31] Fair point.
[1:21:32] I will concede that. Another point that I would like to make before I leave is at what point or at what age is it appropriate to have your children be homeschooled until they, what's the particular age limit? Is it up to, I don't know, middle school, high school, up to university? What would be the appropriate age to have them homeschooled?
[1:21:56] I think you should certainly get them so that they have the equivalent to a high school education, if they want to go on to university for some, you know, if they want to be a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant or something like that, they'll need university. So I think it's good to have your kids be able to get into university if that's what they want. And, you know, because there's some professions where you just need that piece of paper. And so I think that's probably the best, the best approach.
[1:22:22] Appreciate it, Stefan.
[1:22:23] Thank you for the questions. I appreciate that. Take care. Noble. Nobel. What is on your mind? Uh-huh
[1:22:32] i just have a brief question um i noticed in one of your spaces and just like my interactions out in the world why is it that a lot of people get very very defensive whenever the topic of perhaps they didn't perceive like parenting comes up is it just like their inner parents just like taking over or what
[1:22:50] sorry whenever the topic of what kind of parenting comes up
[1:22:53] that an individual received poor parenting or that they, you know, were subject to like abuse.
[1:23:00] Right. Yeah, that is definitely it's in a parent. So we have these alter egos that we internalize from the people around us, which is why it's very important that you surround yourself with the right kinds of people, because we internalize everyone we spend, everyone we spend any kind of significant time with,
[1:23:15] we get a representation of them in our minds.
[1:23:18] So I can still have arguments with my mother, my father's dead, I can still have arguments with him, although I didn't spend much time around him or other family members and so on, right? I was thinking about a woman I used to date the other day, and I felt this mild, like, yeah, that was kind of annoying. So we have these internalizations. And so when you say to someone, it seems to me that there are some significant indications that you are parented badly, then what happens is I am allying with their inner child against their inner parents. Now, the inner parents are there to protect you from the real parents, right? So, if you've got a dad who smacks you on the head every time you sing, then you will internalize that and you will feel great anxiety whenever you feel like singing. And so, your inner dad says, if you sing, I'll hit you. And that's safer because there's only psychological damage. It's safer than actually being hit.
[1:24:12] On the head by your external dad,
[1:24:14] Which could be bad for your health or brain or whatever, right?
[1:24:17] So, we internalize our parents if
[1:24:19] They're aggressive to protect us from our actual parents, and as a.
[1:24:24] We cannot confront our parents.
[1:24:25] We don't have the independence. And of course, for most of our evolution, we didn't have any real independence from family or extended family or the tribe or whatever it was. So that's kind of new. We haven't really evolved to internalize or process that. So if I say your parents did things that are objectively wrong, like we're not talking about some mild things or questionable things, like really, you know, kids who are beaten with belts to the point where they had welts. And, you know, this happened repeatedly. Like, just, I mean, that's criminal in most places. Beating children with implements is criminal. So, your parents are criminals and did immoral things. So, then what happens is the inner parents say, we can't say that because if you have parents who beat you and you say, it's absolutely wrong for you to beat me. And if you do it again, I'm going to the cops or whatever it is, right? Then you face great danger, or great danger.
[1:25:17] Evolutionarily speaking, those children who confronted their parents on their parents' evildoing didn't do nearly as well as those who just shut up and complied. And so when I point out negative aspects of parenting, then what I'm doing is I'm allying with the inner child against the inner parents and the inner parents escalate and view me as the problem. Like what Stef is saying is going to get us beaten up or killed. And I'm not saying that the parents would actually kill the child, but evolutionarily speaking, there was a lot of infanticide, and a lot of kids didn't make it. And so the sort of survival was a razor-thin margin. And so if your parents didn't protect you quite as much, didn't give you quite as much food, your odds of survival went down. So you have to be likable to your parents. And if being likable to parents means you have to hate yourself, then hate yourself you will, because we've just got to get to adulthood and reproduce. That's the genetic absolute, right? So yeah, when I saw, with the inner child against the inner parents or the outer parents, there's a confrontation that's laid in that's extremely anxiety provoking. And the inner parents are like, we have to get rid of that. That is a malign influence that's going to cause us a great deal of stress and problems. So we have to, if Stef's the bad guy, he's going to get us hurt or killed. And that of course is convenient to the inner parents and the outer parents who don't want to be confronted, if that makes sense.
[1:26:34] No, that makes perfect sense. And in the, you know, So in the middle of you explaining that, it's just occurred to me, and I could be totally wrong about this. It just seems like for whatever reason, perhaps it's just corruption. I probably have to just do with corruption. It seems like some people just have a natural propensity and just a stronger relationship with their inner child than others. It seems like for a lot of people in their mid-20s or 30s, it seems like it's just maybe like a little bit of a whimper and maybe like the parental alters have taken over. But again, I could be wrong about that.
[1:27:05] Well, I think what happens then is that, let's say that you had a really aggressive mother, and you end up dating and marrying a really aggressive woman, like your wife is then aggressive like your mother. So you had a weak father, an aggressive mother, and then you're programmed to reproduce what your father did because he's the closest sexually successful male around. So you've got to do what he does, right? And so you end up replacing your aggressive mother with an aggressive wife. But then what happens is now you've got two inner alter egos that are going to rail against you becoming assertive, your mother and your wife. And while you may be able to put distance between yourself and your mother, you can't put distance between you and your wife, which is why it's kind of important to work on these things earlier, rather than later, because dysfunctions tend to harden in the choices that you make to the point where the effects become virtually inescapable, if that makes sense.
[1:27:59] No, well said. Thank you.
[1:28:01] Hello?
[1:28:02] Yes, go ahead.
[1:28:03] I just wanted to get your take on the male-female friendship dynamic. What do you think about that?
[1:28:11] Can you break it down for me a little bit?
[1:28:13] Well, I noticed a lot with younger girls, especially, they kind of push back against the idea that guys and girls can't be friends. Or maybe not that, but more of like, they have trouble accepting the fact that almost every guy wants to have sex with them. If they're an attractive female, especially if they're single.
[1:28:35] Sorry, hang on. What do you mean they have trouble accepting it? Why would you think that's true?
[1:28:40] Because I always get into arguments with him about it.
[1:28:43] Well, no, just because they don't say, just because they say stuff doesn't mean it's true.
[1:28:48] No, I'm not saying that.
[1:28:49] So why do women, why do women who are young and attractive want to keep men around who they're not going to ever get into a relationship with?
[1:28:59] Well, yeah, I guess that's my question. and also like that they'd never.
[1:29:02] No, no. Why? Hang on. What's the answer? Why?
[1:29:05] Why? Sure you do. Have you ever
[1:29:08] Been in a situation where you've been beta-orbited and friend-zoned?
[1:29:11] No, I don't think myself particularly, but is it just because they can get that attention that they crave?
[1:29:18] No, it's not attention. Not attention fundamentally. It's resources.
[1:29:23] Okay, what do you mean by that?
[1:29:25] Well, I mean, resources could be time. Could be that they, you know, the sort of famous cliche of the woman who's crying about her, you know, her a-hole boyfriend to the guy who'd be a way better boyfriend, but she'll never date him, right? So they get sympathy, attention. I mean, I know you said attention, but in particular, I think of a young attractor. I was just talking about this with a.
[1:29:47] Guy on my
[1:29:49] Show recently. There was a woman that he was interested in lusting after, had been for a long time. And she invited him to help her move. And two guys showed up to help her move. Yeah. And the other guy was kind of disgusted and left after a couple of hours and he stayed all the way to the evening, right? So it's attention, but free resources, right? Free resources.
[1:30:13] Yeah, but I'm saying, all right, so, I don't know. When you're dealing with younger women, they seem to actually not believe.
[1:30:20] That these men that they surround
[1:30:21] Themselves with want to have sex with them. Like, they've, I've been fought with so much about this, like,
[1:30:26] No, but why would you believe that what they're saying is true?
[1:30:32] Honestly feel like they believe it. Like they believe what they're saying is true.
[1:30:36] Okay. And how do you know, how do you know that what they claim to believe is actually true? Because what would the, what would be their benefit of lying to me about it? Sorry. What would be the benefit of continuing to get free resources?
[1:30:53] Yeah, I guess.
[1:30:54] Do you not know how free resources work?
[1:30:56] Yeah, I guess.
[1:30:58] It's like people on welfare being really into the welfare state. It's like, that's how they get their resources
[1:31:02] well yeah but that's why i brought the question to you because i wanted to get this type of answer because i actually didn't know and i guess it's a good point with the resources thing that's like that again that's something i didn't think about but i'm saying that i truly think that they don't believe that these men want to have sex with them.
[1:31:18] That's what my point is like i've had so much pushback on this from so many women and it tends to be the the younger ones too that just don't and to me it's like dangerous to live life like that where you don't believe that these men around you like find you attract like sexually attractive i don't know
[1:31:36] well okay so it's almost by definition if a woman is so unwise a young attractive woman is so unwise as to think that there are just a bunch of men around her who just love her for her morals and her virtues and her personality right then i mean why why you wouldn't date her you wouldn't date her right because she's foolish
[1:31:57] yeah typically it would fizzle out at that point
[1:32:00] right so so my question is not so much about the women is about you why on earth are you hanging around with these foolish women
[1:32:08] i Don't know i mean
[1:32:11] because You want to have sex with them
[1:32:12] well yeah obviously yeah
[1:32:14] right but they're foolish women and so they're not yeah they're not good to have sex with right i mean i mean they're not they're not safe to have sex with right they're they're not moral virtuous. They could be bad things that come out of that, right?
[1:32:26] Yeah, I guess that's true.
[1:32:27] Okay, so why are you hanging around? You've got to listen, like if you listen to this show, right, you've got a responsibility to do the right thing.
[1:32:36] And I'm going to nag people about this, of course, right? Because if you listen to my show,
[1:32:39] And you're doing stupid stuff, that looks bad on my show, right? Looks bad on philosophy as a whole. So why are you hanging around with these women who are saying these foolish things?
[1:32:50] Well, I guess that's something I got to think about, huh?
[1:32:52] What's the answer
[1:32:53] I don't know
[1:32:54] sure you do sure you do I put everyone in this show as you know top 1% which means you don't get to pull the the dunno card right you don't get to pull that because you're a smart guy
[1:33:05] to be fair I am a new listener like.
[1:33:07] I haven't really
[1:33:07] yeah but
[1:33:08] Even to be interested in this as a whole is top 1%
[1:33:11] yeah true I don't know I guess
[1:33:13] let me ask you this let me ask you this sorry to interrupt let me ask you this, the equation. What do the women you're interested in take sex out of the equation, right? They're nuns. They're eunuchs. They're never going to have sex with you. They're infertile. Their vagina has been sewn shut by an evil overlord from planet Zyklon, right? Whatever it is. So, take sex out of the equation. What value do these women bring to you as men?
[1:33:42] I guess in the zero value.
[1:33:44] Well, that's that's a pretty quick way to to to process it which is fine so you're saying that women they they they bring nothing to the table other than sexual potential
[1:33:54] yeah pretty much i mean yeah but there is an aspect of like you know they're good listeners so you could like talk to them sometimes about shit that you can't really talk to about uh with your guy friends or whatever
[1:34:07] okay do they give good advice
[1:34:08] no
[1:34:09] okay so the listening is sort of pointless right because that's just a dump, right?
[1:34:13] Yeah, it might just be more of like a comfort, like a fleeting comfort thing that I'm searching for that I got to kind of get over.
[1:34:20] Okay, that's pretty ephemeral, right?
[1:34:22] Yeah.
[1:34:23] Okay. So other than breathing and having working ears, what else are they offering you?
[1:34:31] Yeah, nothing.
[1:34:34] So don't, yeah, don't hang out with women where the only thing they have to offer is sex.
[1:34:40] Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
[1:34:42] Because, I mean, and I'm going to appeal to your greed here because I'm not just, I'm not going to try and nag you about this and say, well, you know, it's exploitive and it's wrong and it's below, it's beneath your potential. I mean, all of that may be true, but I'm going to appeal to your greed. So do you want to get married and have kids someday?
[1:35:01] Yeah, for sure.
[1:35:02] And I assume that you don't want to get divorced and dragged through family courts and all of this ugly stuff, right?
[1:35:08] Yeah, no, definitely not.
[1:35:10] Right, right. Okay, I appreciate that. So you want a quality woman of integrity and virtue, right?
[1:35:18] Yes.
[1:35:19] Excellent. Okay. Now, since you want a quality woman with integrity and virtue, when she sees you surrounded by these vacant, sexy bimbos.
[1:35:29] What does she
[1:35:30] Think of you?
[1:35:31] Probably thinks less of me.
[1:35:33] Probably?!
[1:35:34] Yeah, definitely does.
[1:35:35] Okay, let's say that you see a woman who's surrounded by a bunch of guys who are idiots, but have money, and she just uses them for free dinners. Do you think that she is going to be a quality person for you to date?
[1:35:51] No, not at all. Right.
[1:35:52] So the issue is not who's in your life, but who's being kept out of your life.
[1:35:57] Yeah, that's a really good point.
[1:35:58] Because a quality woman is constantly scanning for unwise men, and a man surrounded by unwise woman is an unwise man, and she won't even show up in your life. She'll just pass by like a ghost.
[1:36:13] Yeah.
[1:36:16] Yeah.
[1:36:17] No, you're right.
[1:36:19] All right. Okay. Well, keep me posted. And if a woman does only, if she's only offering sexual satisfaction, lust, if that's it, if she can't make you laugh, if she doesn't have any wisdom, if she doesn't read good books, if she doesn't have a good conversation, doesn't have a good sense of humor, don't insult the good woman by chasing the vapid women, because all the good women will steer clear, and then all you'll do is end up complaining, oh, these women are all so shallow. It's like, no, no. The people you surround yourself with are a god or a moat like they're a wall to keep the bad people out or they're a moat to keep the good people out if you have shallow people around you deep people will steer clear if you have deep people around you shallow people will steer clear who you surround yourself with, is the safety or danger of your entire life alright thanks I appreciate that let's do one or two more Ram.
[1:37:05] Jam BlackBerry what's on your mind? Go
[1:37:10] sorry I just choked on something There was a woman here earlier, I forgot her name, red hair profile picture. It's just amazing to see solipsism play out in real life. That was hilarious. And two, to address bootstrap, Jack, everything you just said Stefan was true, and I want to push back on one thing where in today's world at a systemic level, both girls and boys might not, I don't know if it's fair to blame them for believing things that can be false, if that makes sense.
[1:37:40] So are you saying that I shouldn't hold young people 100% responsible for 20 years of indoctrination?
[1:37:48] Correct.
[1:37:49] Okay.
[1:37:50] Have I ever said they should be held 100% responsible for 20 years of indoctrination?
[1:37:55] No, I mean, that 100% just got added to the conversation. In that sense, yes, you're correct.
[1:38:00] Sorry, 100% got added to the conversation?
[1:38:03] The fact that you're saying it's not 100%. You didn't say that, but it also wasn't mentioned when you were talking to Boots, Jacob, whatever that was.
[1:38:12] So what did you hear me say that you thought was holding him responsible for indoctrination? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying.
[1:38:22] You didn't say anything that made me think you held him individually responsible for anything. It made it seem like you were holding girls responsible for their behavior without accounting for the indoctrination of 20 years or whatever. Young girls.
[1:38:38] Okay, and when did I say that?
[1:38:40] You didn't say it directly. It just seemed like an implication.
[1:38:44] Well...
[1:38:46] So if you're going to come, and I'm not offended, I'm just kind of curious, right? So if you're going to come and say, Stef, you're unjustly holding young people accountable for the results of indoctrination, which would be kind of unjust, right?
[1:38:57] Yeah, I think so.
[1:38:58] So if you're going to come in and publicly accuse me of injustice, which is fine.
[1:39:03] I mean, obviously, I have the capacity, like everyone, to be unjust. But wouldn't it be a little nicer and a little bit more noble and honorable to ask me if that's what I believe before assuming that that's what I mean?
[1:39:15] I wasn't trying to, and maybe this is poor on my face. I wasn't actually trying to accuse you. I was trying to point out.
[1:39:21] Hang on, hang on. Again, this is not a conflict situation, right? I'm not fighting with you. But you did say that it appeared to you that I was.
[1:39:29] Holding young women
[1:39:30] 100% accountable for all the indoctrination. Okay, if I'm talking, what do you do? Come on. It's really rude to interrupt someone right in the middle of them explaining something that's important. Do you understand that?
[1:39:41] Sure, go ahead.
[1:39:42] Okay. So again, I know this sounds like high stress, high tense, high conflict. I don't mean it that way, but I'm trying to help. I'm trying to help you, right? Because you want to have quality people in your life like we all do. Now, if you're going to accuse me of being unjust towards young women and holding them 100% responsible for everything they believe based upon massive amounts of propaganda, isn't it more fair to ask me if that's what I believe rather than go on the assumption that that's what I believe when I never said that.
[1:40:13] Yes, that is totally fair. And I will admit that I've phrased it poorly with what I intended to say. What I meant to say is it is unfair, regardless of you saying it. Like if you were to remove both you and I from the equation.
[1:40:24] No, you didn't. No, own what you said. Hang on, own what you said. Own what you said. You said, you said, Stef, by implication, you were being unjust to women. Now, again, I could have been unjust to women. And the reason I'm saying this, of course, is that, I mean, I have a daughter, right?
[1:40:43] And also, I have specifically and repeatedly said that women are much more targeted for propaganda and we should have sympathy for them. Because women score higher in one of the big five personality traits called agreeableness, which means they want to be liked, they want to get along with others for evolutionary reasons, which I've talked about before. So, I've always said that women are particularly targeted by propaganda, and we should not judge them as men who've been targeted less. I mean, women are constantly praised in government schools, and boys are constantly insulted in government schools. So, when women grow up to have a more positive view of the government and authority, and men, or boys grow up to be men who have a negative view, to a large part, it's because the women are constantly praised as girls in schools and other places in the media as a whole. And boys are insulted as, you know, bad, broken girls who need to be drugged with various psychotropics. So, because I, railed against judging women for the increased levels of indoctrination that they faced based upon fairly innate traits like agreeableness, to then, again, be publicly called out as being unjust to women by not recognizing.
[1:42:00] That they are
[1:42:01] Propagandized. And look, there's no reason why you would know everything that I've done. I'm just giving you this coaching, you know, not from a place I'm not mad at you or anything. I'm just giving you this coaching because you'll have better relationships if you don't pull things out a whole cloth in your head and act as if they're true, but instead you ask people what they think before publicly saying that they are thinking wrongly.
[1:42:27] I think that's a good critique of what I need. So one thing about me, I'm not always great at putting what's in my head into words, which is part of what started this thing that appears like a conflict.
[1:42:38] No, I will not accept that as an excuse.
[1:42:41] I don't mean an excuse. Like I said,
[1:42:43] You are. You are. You are. Because if you're not good at something.
[1:42:47] Don't do it.
[1:42:48] Right. So if you get a call up and accuse me of injustice.
[1:42:52] Which again, is fine.
[1:42:53] I know this sounds like I'm mad. I'm really just trying to give you the coaching because you want good people in your life. And good people don't want to be around people who don't even ask them, especially in public, who don't even ask them what they think or believe, but just kind of call them unjust because they made that up in their heads. And I'm just telling you, you want quality people in your life and quality people don't like to be straw men. So it's not hard. It's not hard. You say, well, I've got this difficulty of putting things into words. It's not hard to say. I'm still working on it. I'm still talking. It's not hard to say, Stef, I got a sense that, oh, I've got this belief in my head that you are blaming young women for being indoctrinated. Is that true?
[1:43:36] But you went on as
[1:43:37] If it was true because you made it up in your head. And I'm just saying that's going to cause a lot of conflict over the course of your life that's absolutely unnecessary. Just ask people what they believe before publicly calling them wrong.
[1:43:49] That's a good critique, and it's something I'll work on going forward.
[1:43:52] I appreciate that, and I appreciate you taking the coaching. All right. Thomas, what is on your mind.
[1:43:56] My friend? Don't forget to mute with the unness.
[1:44:00] Don't make me end on the sound of silence. Hello, Twitter, my old friend. I've come to talk with you again Alright, I think we got Alright, I think Last one we've got Let's end with a bang, I think we've got Angel of Depth Coming in If you want to unmute I'm happy to hear what's on your mind Close out the show With a star-spangled banger Yeah, go ahead, I heard something, and then it went away. Going once.
[1:44:39] I don't know why,
[1:44:40] Why is it that people, maybe it's trolls, I don't know. I don't know why it is that people request to talk and then don't talk. It's very strange. All right, Danny. Danny, if you want to unmute.
[1:44:51] Hello?
[1:44:52] Yes, sir, go ahead.
[1:44:53] Hello, how are you? So yeah, my sort of question, or maybe I suppose a bit of a skepticism about the accuracy of perceptions across both genders and whether, as is probably a community or a general society, we're possibly falling prey to a dual psychological operation, kind of cultural conditioning, where it's almost a false dichotomy where all men are toxic and all women are promiscuous. Because those figures with those attributes tend to dominate the social media discourse. And those who are more probably sensible, maybe not sensible is the right word, but don't kind of have those hyper-masculinity or overly promiscuous traits. They aren't the ones on TikTok. So whether it's, there's almost a false perception behind the actual kind of perceptions of society and gender polarization.
[1:46:03] Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great point. And of course, it is the doctor who thinks, my God, everyone's sick. Everyone is sick. It's like, well, no, because the healthy people aren't coming to see the doctor.
[1:46:14] Right?
[1:46:14] So yeah, there is definitely a warped perception. A lot of people on social media just want attention.
[1:46:21] Yeah.
[1:46:23] Of course, the criticism could be lobbied at me, but if you see my unfollows, you'll see that I'm not doing this for the sake of numbers. I'm doing this for the sake of truth. I'm going to, you know, steadfastly hold on to the truth with reason and evidence and people can get lost or come closer as they see fit. My business plan is tell the truth. That's all it is.
[1:46:41] It's not, you know,
[1:46:42] Pander or anything like that. There's tons of people who pander to you. I'm going to tell the truth and I'm going to be blunt and I'm going to do all of that. So, yes, for sure, there are a lot of people who just want attention, and they will say outrageous things.
[1:46:56] And they will engagement farm,
[1:46:59] And so on. And it's easy to think that that's everyone, because especially if you have more interaction with social media than you do with people in real life, then it's easy to see that, oh, it's easy to get the impression that that's.
[1:47:13] People as a whole,
[1:47:14] If that makes sense. Pornography gives you the sense that sexual activity is happening everywhere at all times and all circumstances everywhere. And that's, of course, kind of not true, not accurate and so on. So is there anything else that you wanted to mention about that?
[1:47:30] It's probably just how to kind of revert those perceptions and to get a more, accurate depiction and sort of the practical steps to go about recognizing that bias. Because I think, Well, personally, for me, I've experienced and witnessed a lot more content about the, you know, all men are toxic, masculinity is inherently oppressive and should be suppressed. And then I think some of the content that gets forced, whereas you go down those sort of rabbit holes or algorithmic algorithms, what the algorithm kind of throws at you when you go down that rabbit hole. It's very kind of coarse, reactionary, scapegoats, all women as inherently bad as well, and all women are kind of promiscuous.
[1:48:27] Well, let's just talk about, remember, there's a.
[1:48:30] Lot of psychosexual
[1:48:30] Stuff going on in people's presentations in the world. In fact, when they're young, it's most of what they do. So a woman who goes online and says, all men are garbage, is looking for a masochist. So what she's doing is she's probably a sadist. And what she's doing is she is trying to summon masochists that she can bully because she gets sexual gratification out of being dominant. I don't mean necessarily a dominatrix or anything like that. But so when she goes there and she says, all manner trash and garbage, you know, there's a disconcerting number of men who get sexually excited by being treated like absolute crap. And so it is just a psychosexual dynamic where a woman who comes across as really hostile and aggressive is summoning to her orbit those men who are sexually gratified by humiliation rituals. And that's the unholy bargain, I think, that's going on
[1:49:28] okay that's yeah so is it never considered that perspective but is it given the how widespread.
[1:49:39] That kind of cultural narrative is and the number of women here are kind of masochistic is did the proportion
[1:49:48] well no hang on i was talking about sadistic women if you want to flip it it's interesting that you flip that in your head but there are yeah definitely are there are sadistic women who, you know, want to punish men and there are men, I mean, I'm sure you've, you've heard about this sort of dominatrix culture, the BDSM culture. I've done calls with men and women involved in this subculture and it's not, not massively uncommon that men.
[1:50:12] Want to be
[1:50:13] Humiliated and, and bullied and, and screamed at and yelled at and,
[1:50:18] and called all kinds of trashy names.
[1:50:20] And that's in a bizarre way, sexually gratifying. I mean, the spread of human sexuality is like, completely wild to me, just how, you know, what's wrong with sex? Like, what's wrong with just sex? I mean, it's just weird to me, but like, no, no, no, I need to have hot wax and bags of urine and like all kinds of crazy stuff. Choking. I was posting about this the other day. Some women like to be choked. And of course, Michael Hutchins, I think, died that way, autoerotic asphyxiation. And it's like, to me, it's just kind of, it's just kind of bizarre. It's completely bizarre, but I mean, it certainly is a thing and it's not a massively uncommon thing. And it is, I mean, it's disturbing.
[1:50:57] And of course, it just tells you how bad some people's childhoods are.
[1:51:01] Yeah. I think,
[1:51:03] Experience when I kind of meet and interact with people in real life everyone is quote unquote normal and then as you get through something about the online setting whether it's the anonymity or just the increased kind of I don't know if it's kind of the group think or conformity seeking where in order to get kind of notoriety you have to almost showcase the extreme views so it's I can't really see the, the preeminence of kind of digital media going anywhere?
[1:51:37] Well, there is, I'm sorry to interrupt, but there's also a certain kind of sadism that comes from being completely freaky and presenting yourself as supremely normal, which is it throws people off, right? It just, oh, you can't tell, you can't, like it throws people's perceptions off. You know, I mean, some people, you look at them and you say, okay, if they like to be beaten while having quasi-sexual encounters, you look at them and you say, okay, I can see that just sort of based on how they present themselves. Yeah. But there are other people who come across as sort of turbo normal who are extraterrestrial freaks in private areas. And part of that turbo normality is throwing people off the scent and that's part of the sort of sadism that goes on.
[1:52:16] Yeah.
[1:52:17] All right. I appreciate the topic. AJ, if you want to break and see up, I am with the receptors. Do a thing. I might, I don't know, maybe I'm going to do a thing because it's kind of annoying to, for people to request to talk and then not talk. So I may just ban people who do that. I may, I'm sort of mulling it over. I haven't had this for a while because I've been a half decade in the wilderness, which means I'm speaking with smaller groups, everyone who, of course, who've eager to speak, but it's kind of a waste of everyone's time. If people want to talk and then don't talk.
[1:52:54] My apologies. Did you just call on me, Stefan?
[1:52:57] Are you not watching the live stream that you requested to talk on?
[1:53:00] I am here. I just didn't hear it. It blipped out for a minute, but I had a serious question and it's a fascinating topic, a fascinating conversation. I just finished an audio book on sexual attraction. I've been a single guy for four years. I'm very qualified. I got a business. I got income. I'm in good health. I'm in my mid forties. I just turned 47.
[1:53:19] And you are unmarried. Do you have kids?
[1:53:21] No, I broke.
[1:53:22] Up four years ago. No kids, no child support letters.
[1:53:25] Okay. So what are you, sorry, what are you claiming to be? I'm not disagreeing with you, but what are you saying that you're an expert?
[1:53:31] No, no, I just, I finished a book. It's called Atomic Attraction. And what, one of the precepts I learned is that women will be attracted to a man who already has a beautiful woman on his arm, or he's already in a relationship with a beautiful woman. Other women will then be attracted to the man. So my question, it's, it's really more for the women if anyone want to come up and speak, but I'd love to hear your response. Isn't there like, so men have what they call a bro code, right? Like you've heard the term bros before hoes and you know, you wouldn't steal another guy. So isn't there like a sister code? Like why would a woman be attracted to a man who already has a wife or a girlfriend? Because then now you're getting into the territory of perhaps stealing him or, you know, getting him to take attention off of his current girlfriend? Or are women open to the concept of polygamy with alpha males? Like, why are they naturally attracted to a man who already has a beautiful woman?
[1:54:30] Pushing 50, why would you care about what silly women do in terms of sexual attraction when they're young?
[1:54:35] It's just a curious question.
[1:54:38] Well, I mean, but you could ask anything and you're asking this one. Why do you think you never got married or had kids?
[1:54:43] That's a great question. Well, okay, good question. I was actually homeschooled up until high school, so I was rather shy. I didn't date until I was 20 years old.
[1:54:54] Was that because you just didn't have any females around you or some other reason?
[1:54:59] Just not a lot of socialization. I, I, my dad didn't, he was, my dad didn't really coach me much on how to, how to date. I, I didn't, I just didn't date a lot until I was in my twenties.
[1:55:12] Sorry, you said he didn't coach you much. So he gave you some coaching?
[1:55:15] He told me women value safety and security. So get a good job, get some money.
[1:55:21] Okay, but that's not dating. So, I mean, did you not have, did you not join youth groups? Because, you know, if you're homeschooled, you certainly, as a teenager, you need to get out and you need to have friends and peers and access to dating and so on. So, when you were in your teens, did your parents recognize that and get you sort of out into the world and out there with peers and potential dates? Sure, I did.
[1:55:44] I did attend some youth groups. My family also moved around a bit when I was younger, so I didn't make a whole lot of friends in one geographic area. And so moving around a bit, but when I was finally settled in California, going to college, then I was focused on my studies. I dated a little bit in college. I went to a Christian college. So we jokingly say we were not allowed to have sex on the campus because that might lead to dancing, right?
[1:56:09] So dancing with the opposite sex was also prohibited. But you
[1:56:13] Have opposite sex in your dorm room unless you left your bedroom door wide open. So the resident director could, you know, peek on, make sure, you know, hanky panky was going on. So I was a virgin until I was 21, my senior year of college. And then I did start dating and meeting a lot of women. And I was just more comfortable in my own skin as a man and just more confident with talking to women. But it just took some time. And then I went through a breakup four years ago and I live in a remote area.
[1:56:44] So the dating school is very...
[1:56:45] I'm so sorry. Did we just go from 20 to 43? Holy crap, man. That's quite the montage. That's quite the sweep through.
[1:56:54] Well, so I had plenty of exploits and plenty of dates and relationships from 20 to 40.
[1:56:59] Okay, but you still
[1:56:59] Haven't answered why you didn't get married. Did you not want to get married and have kids? Was that never a thing for you?
[1:57:04] I actually didn't.
[1:57:05] Get married because of a really weird religious precept. So I grew up reading the Bible. And I grew up believing that Jesus taught the best way to live life. And in the gospel of John, Jesus is having a discussion with his disciples. And the disciples finished their discussion with the conclusion, well, isn't it better for a man not to get married then, is what they're asking Jesus. And Jesus says, if you can understand that, just understand that concept. That's in the gospel. So I thought, well, maybe it's better not to get married at all. So I just kind of postponed the even the thought of doing it but i but then i ended up in a relationship that was common law marriage and we were together about five years before
[1:57:48] We split
[1:57:49] and how old were you over that time period.
[1:57:51] 38 i was like 37 to 42
[1:57:55] And how old was she.
[1:57:56] She was six years my senior
[1:58:00] Oh so you weren't gonna
[1:58:01] Have kids i mean she's 43 for god's sakes right she's not.
[1:58:04] Gonna have kids
[1:58:04] It wasn't going to,
[1:58:05] Right, right.
[1:58:06] Okay, so in dating her, you chose not to have children.
[1:58:10] Well, we had sex, and we were open to the concept.
[1:58:13] She miscarried once.
[1:58:14] 43!
[1:58:15] She miscarried once.
[1:58:16] No, no, no, come on, 43.
[1:58:17] 43.
[1:58:18] Yeah.
[1:58:19] To happen i mean that's like saying i'm saving for my retirement by playing the lottery it's like no you're not
[1:58:24] that's.
[1:58:26] A good analogy yeah
[1:58:27] So so you had already chosen at 37 to not be a father really i mean in any practical sense and i'm just no no i'm not no criticism i'm just curious why why, i mean we went from now i complained that we went from 20 20 to 43 now we've gone from 20 to 37 which really doesn't close the gap that much.
[1:58:47] No, I have to reflect and look at myself and realize I wasn't very conscientious about my mate's selection. Because around this time when I met her, I was in Los Angeles pursuing an acting career like so many people do before it fizzled out. They realized how extremely competitive it is. And I was dating here and there, and I wasn't being very conscientious about the longevity of getting into a good relationship that would have longevity? And, you know, did I want to have kids?
[1:59:14] Oh, so you were
[1:59:14] A good looking guy
[1:59:15] And you were milking your looks for sexual access.
[1:59:18] I did want to get laid a lot because I had been a virgin up until age 21. So I wanted to have some fun.
[1:59:23] So how does this, how does this comport with the Christian Jesus thing that you were significantly promiscuous and yet you felt you shouldn't get married because of Jesus?
[1:59:34] Well, I came to the conclusion, maybe Jesus had some inside info and maybe the modern church has misinterpreted some of his teachings. And I could be totally wrong.
[1:59:43] There's nowhere where Jesus says, go and sleep with women without committing to them.
[1:59:49] He says, well, that's very true. But he also says, all men will know you're my disciples if you love one another. And if a woman loves me very much and she wants me to take her to bed and I'm doing for her as I would have her do for me, the golden rule, wouldn't it be a sin not to sleep
[2:00:04] With her in that case?
[2:00:05] Wow, that is some gymnastics, bro. I mean, I'm sure the Russian judges will give you a 10. So your gymnastics are, Jesus says, love each other, therefore, I'm going to sleep around with a lot of women because I want them to sleep with me.
[2:00:21] Yeah.
[2:00:23] You should necessarily leave a trail of broken hearts. I think perhaps you could take, you know, if you have a child, you'd be the dad. You'd take care of that woman. You'd take care
[2:00:30] Of the kid.
[2:00:32] Okay. So you didn't want to get married and you didn't want to have kids.
[2:00:36] No, I'm open to having kids. It just never happened.
[2:00:39] Well, that doesn't make any sense.
[2:00:42] I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
[2:00:44] If you're sleeping with all these women and you never commit to them, of course, it's not going to happen.
[2:00:49] Fair point.
[2:00:50] Life doesn't just happen to you, man. Specific choices.
[2:00:53] Well, sure. I'm having to analyze my philosophical ideas and realize I could be mistaken. I'm probably not living as best as I could. It would have been much wiser to find one solid woman who was open to a long-term relationship and having a family and getting all this out in the beginning on the first few dates of what we really want and what our expectations are. And unfortunately, I didn't do that.
[2:01:16] So did you date the women saying or giving them the impression that you might be open to some kind of commitment?
[2:01:24] Did I date the woman with the impression that I was open to some? Hmm, that's a great question.
[2:01:29] Did the women think that they might become your girlfriend, your fiance, your wife, the mother of your children? Or did you say to them, Jesus commands me to be kind of a man whore?
[2:01:41] Well, no, I didn't see
[2:01:42] It quite that way. No, I guess I was confused with some of my philosophical ideas, and I had some conundrums operating on a psychological level.
[2:01:51] No, no, no, no, don't, don't, don't, don't fogme, bro. Don't fogme. Don't fogme. Listen, you don't have to answer the question. I'm just asking questions. You can talk about whatever you want, but it's a little rude to pretend I didn't ask it.
[2:02:02] Well, from all of my dates, I would think a few of them, yes, we did discuss the idea of wanting a long-term relationship.
[2:02:09] No, no, not discuss. us, did they date you with the impression that you might commit to them?
[2:02:16] Well, I'm not in their head. I don't know what their impressions were.
[2:02:19] Sure you do.
[2:02:21] Oh, men don't know what women want. I can't read minds.
[2:02:24] Sure you can.
[2:02:25] Okay, men can read minds.
[2:02:27] Did you say to women, did you say to women, Jesus has commanded me to be promiscuous, I'm not going to settle down because that would go against the good Lord's commandments. I'm only here for sex. I don't really care about you. Hang on. I don't really care about you as a person. I just want to use your body as a masturbatory device. Were you honest and upfront with the women?
[2:02:49] Well, now you're insinuating quite a bit. I didn't approach it with, the promiscuity was incidental. I dated a lot, and occasionally you just go with the flow, and you end up in bed together after a few dates. But I wasn't intentionally trying to be hit it and quit it and move on to the next one. I was trying to get into a
[2:03:11] Long-term relationship but sure.
[2:03:13] Sex can complicate things.
[2:03:16] Four-year relationship. Hang on. Prior to the four-year relationship, what was your longest relationship?
[2:03:22] I'd like an explanation on how I can read a woman's mind, because you kind of opened up a new concept there. How do I do that?
[2:03:28] Well, do you believe
[2:03:29] In thou shalt not bear false witness?
[2:03:31] Yeah, I think we should always try to tell the truth.
[2:03:34] Okay. So, at what point did you realize you had severe commitment issues with women?
[2:03:40] That's a great question. At what point did I realize I had severe commitment issues with women. I don't know, maybe I'm realizing that now.
[2:03:47] Oh, come on. You're a smart guy. You're a very smart guy and very verbal, and I'm enjoying the conversation, so I appreciate you being this, Frank.
[2:03:53] I'll give you a.
[2:03:54] Little dark psychology insight into my brain. So one thing you didn't learn was, even though I grew up in a Christian home, I grew up with unlimited access to my father's Playboy collection. He got a lifetime subscription to Playboy when he was 18 years old. So when I was five, I discovered this treasure trove of magazines.
[2:04:18] And so it imprinted my mind that you can turn a page and you can have another naked woman. You can turn a page, have another naked woman. So this must have affected my psychology because when I went on a date, I thought, wow, she's really pretty. I could go date another one. I want to date another one. So I never really dug into the woman and her value you and what it would mean.
[2:04:39] Well, I bet you did
[2:04:40] Dig into the woman, but yeah, I get what you're saying. Okay. So, so when did you realize that you were a compulsive dater or you had a sort of an addiction to dating or sexuality or something like that to variety? So when did you realize, when did you detect a pattern that you weren't settling down, you weren't really committing?
[2:04:58] Right. About four years ago. So after my
[2:05:01] Breakup with the older woman.
[2:05:03] No, no, no, no, no, that's, That's not true. Come on.
[2:05:05] No, do you want to know?
[2:05:06] Do you want to know?
[2:05:07] You're an intelligent guy. You can't tell me for a quarter century, you didn't notice this from 20 to 44, a quarter century you just didn't notice.
[2:05:16] Let me explain what happened four years ago. I dumped this entire five,
[2:05:22] Hundred pounds of
[2:05:23] Like 600 different 700 magazines of decades of pornography that had been in a home that I inherited I just dumped it all in the trash because I didn't want to be beholden to this addiction anymore because I believe the addiction was affecting my psychology and my my understanding of women in relationships so if you call that a realization or a bold move to deal with or combat the demons I'm dealing with, I think that would prove that I just not only realized it, but I took action on it. Does that make sense?
[2:05:58] Okay, I get that, and I appreciate what you're saying. I'd say good for you, except you're pushing 50, right? So, is your contention, and if you say this, I don't have any drones that followed you around that I can review the footage since you were 20, right? So, I have to go with what you said. Is it your contention, despite the fact that you're a very intelligent man, is it your contention that for a quarter century you didn't notice that you weren't settling down?
[2:06:26] Oh, of course I noticed it.
[2:06:28] Okay, so then you knew you had... So when did you first notice that you weren't settling down?
[2:06:34] Okay, let's see. I lost my virginity at age 21. Then I just... I was having so much fun dating various women. Um... Hmm i mean it's a progressive realization isn't it everyone every woman you date and then you get into a next another relationship you realize well i didn't settle with that one i didn't settle with that one i didn't settle with that one i had a lot of fun but
[2:06:57] Isn't it really more
[2:06:58] Of a progressive realization and then finally one day you say that's it like an alcoholic says that's it i'm throwing all the alcohol in the trash i'm going to aa meetings and i i dumped all my pornography i said that's it this has affected my brain this has affected my relationships i i came to the conclusion, I don't want a woman who is going to know that her boyfriend or future husband has paper pornography lying around or access to the images of other women because it's going to hurt her. It's going to hurt her emotionally. I mean, some women might be open to it, but I think the woman that I want would want a man who's not privy to that. So I think the line in the sand came when I dumped several boxes of hundreds of magazines, but it was a progressive realization, and finally I realized I'm an alcoholic, but I'm a sexaholic. Does that make sense?
[2:07:47] So the way that you know that you know is when you lie about it. Oh, right. So an alcoholic knows that he's an alcoholic when he lies about his alcohol drinking.
[2:08:02] Understood.
[2:08:03] So when you knew that you had commitment issues was when you were not upfront with women about what you wanted. So if you said to women, I just want to have a lot of sex. I'm following the path of the Lord, apparently. I want to have a lot of sex. Jesus on the cross tells you to uncross your legs.
[2:08:26] I want to have a
[2:08:27] Lot of sex. Don't really want to settle down. I mean, so, so the moment that you are not upfront and honest with women, that's when you are aware that you have a problem. Believe, because you're a high-quality man, right? You're intelligent, verbally skilled. Obviously, you have charisma. You're very good-looking, right?
[2:08:52] Thank you. Yeah.
[2:08:54] Well, I mean, I don't know, but if you want to be an actor in LA, I assume that I need you bedding a lot of women. So you're a high-quality man. Did the women who dated you want more than just empty sex and ghosting?
[2:09:06] I would assume yes. Yes. Okay. I would assume they wanted a
[2:09:10] Man that's good.
[2:09:10] So they wanted more, and you weren't upfront with them about what you wanted, which was mostly to have sex and move on.
[2:09:20] Well, then the question becomes, on a first date, do you already get into that nitty-gritty content in the conversation, or do you want to talk about the game that's on TV or what she likes to do for fun? Does she want to go skydiving on the next date? You can almost ruin an entire connection by getting into heavy relationship talks like that.
[2:09:43] Hang on, hang on. Are you going to try and tell me and this audience that you ruin your chance to exploit women by telling them the truth about your intentions?
[2:09:55] I think you're insinuating. You're asking, did I ruin my chance to exploit women by telling them about my intentions?
[2:10:01] Yeah. Because if it's asymmetrical, listen, I'm not saying you kidnapped them. I'm not saying it's evil or anything like that. But if as a high status, okay, how tall are you?
[2:10:13] Six foot even.
[2:10:15] Okay, six foot even. So you're significantly above average in height. Good looking guy. So as a high status, high intelligence, high charisma male, good looking male, you're kind of catnip to females, right?
[2:10:28] I'm catnip to females.
[2:10:30] Yeah, they're like you. Yeah, I mean, my looks are fading with my age, but I still-
[2:10:35] No, No, I'm talking about back of the day. I mean, I get it.
[2:10:37] So back of the days.
[2:10:39] So a good-looking guy, so as a good-looking guy who's tall, high-status, high-charisma, high-verbal skills, you have a special responsibility, right? Capable of exploiting women because of your looks and your charisma and your intelligence, right? Now, you obviously worked at your looks, but you inherited them.
[2:10:59] Right? You inherited your height.
[2:11:00] You didn't work at your height. Your charisma is most likely somewhat built in, right? Your verbal skills are based on IQ. IQ is largely genetic. So, you were handed a lot of gifts, right?
[2:11:10] Yes, I concur.
[2:11:11] Yeah. Now, let me, and when you're handed a lot of gifts, you get a lot of power over others in life. And when you have a lot of power over others in life, you have a special responsibility to not abuse that power. I mean, I can be very convincing, so I had at the beginning of my show like 20 years ago, not today's show, although it feels that way maybe, but at the beginning of my show, I sort of made a vow, I'm never going to tell anyone what to do because I'm quite charismatic, I'm quite convincing and verbally skilled and so on, so that's like, I could convince people to do stuff, but I don't want to. And I've never told anyone what to do on the show. I sort of give them principles and all of that. So you have a sort of special responsibility. So here's another example. Hopefully this will make sense as to why I'm talking about this. It's a really, really important topic. And again, I really appreciate your openness about this. So let's say that I inherit $20 million.
[2:12:09] And as a very wealthy guy, there's going to be a lot of women who would be interested in me because women are attracted to men with a lot of resources, right? I mean, for obvious biological reasons that they, right? Now, if as a wealthy guy, and let's say I can't hide that I'm wealthy or I choose not to hide, like I show up in my Ferrari and I've got the really expensive watch and shirt and whatever it is, right? Like I have very expensive sunglasses, and you can't hide the fact that you're tall and charismatic and good looking and all that, right? So if I go around dating, women, and I kind of know that.
[2:12:49] That they want to date me is because they're drawn to wealth. And this is not, I'm not calling women gold diggers or anything like that, but women are drawn to wealth for obvious biological reasons, right? So if I date women and the reason they date me to some degree is out of a desire for something they will never get, like I'm never going to marry them. I'm going to take that $10 million. I'm going to keep it for myself.
[2:13:15] I'm never going to share it.
[2:13:16] I'm never going to, right? But it's kind of dangling there.
[2:13:20] In other words,
[2:13:21] Women are dating me because of my $10 million, and I never tell them, you're never going to get it. Put that $10 million right out of your mind.
[2:13:31] Date me just for me.
[2:13:32] I'm never going to spend a penny on you, and you're never going to get access to any of that money, and it's never going to be the security you need for your kids and your old age and all of that. That would be, assuming that I'm never going to settle, I'm never going to get married. I'm never going to share my money, right? If I just happen to inherit this $10 million and I kind of dangle it a little bit to get a lot of dates, is that fair?
[2:13:56] It's a great question. It depends on what the woman wants. I think to be fair, if a man is going to bring a woman into his life, yeah, she should be able to inherit some of that money to take care of herself when he's not there anymore.
[2:14:11] No, no, no.
[2:14:12] This is not a theoretical.
[2:14:14] In that sense. I'm dangling the 10 million, getting a lot of dates because.
[2:14:18] Women are attracted
[2:14:19] To the resources, and I never tell them I'm never going to share that money. They're never going to get access to a penny of it. I'm never going to spend anything on them.
[2:14:28] Well, my intention in the dating was to continue dating and turn it from a few first dates into a midterm and then a long-term relationship was my intention.
[2:14:38] Right. And the moment, hang on, and we already went through this, right? And so at the beginning, at the beginning before you under, but you know, we're pattern recognizing species. That's what we do. We recognize patterns, right? Which is how we know one tree is another tree, right? We recognize a pattern of what a tree looks like, right? So I, realized that you were kind of like a sex addict. And what you did, and when you withheld things from women, right? So if you withheld your body count, if you withheld the fact that you'd never been really in a long-term relationship, if you withheld the fact that you're constantly bored with sexual activity and constantly looking for new stimuli, if you withheld the fact that you were much more interested in these women's bodies than their minds, if you lied to them by saying, I care about you, when really it was just, I'm sorry?
[2:15:29] I didn't lie. I've always been honest about a body count. I've had at least two women that told me they were really only interested in the sex and they did not want a relationship. I've had one woman walk away, like kiss me goodnight on the third date. And then before she left, she turned around and said, let's just have sex. And she grabbed me and started kissing me. So, I mean, I've given in to women that wanted it. I haven't lied about my intentions. It was just more of go with the flow.
[2:15:56] Okay, so hang on, hang on. So you were honest about not committing.
[2:16:04] Well, look at me from the perspective of a late bloomer, right? I was a virgin until 21. I think a lot of kids are hooking up in their teenage years nowadays. And so I was a virgin until 21. So it's kind of like I had that juvenile mentality regarding love and relationships and then also being homeschooled and not really socialized. it was a new process for me to learn how to okay
[2:16:23] We've already been through this we've already been through this you've got the excuse yes you were homeschooled yes i get all of that but we're talking 20 to 43 if we're talking almost we're talking almost a quarter century bro so you can't tell me you.
[2:16:36] Can't tell me that what was
[2:16:37] Going on when you were 35 it's because of what happened when you were 17
[2:16:40] but it's a slow our yesterday what.
[2:16:42] We do today determines how our days go our lives go tomorrow doesn't it
[2:16:45] I that's just kind of like a word salad i don't really know what that That means, so listen, I get that your perception is different from what I'm saying. You're saying, I never lied to these women. Well, then you're the first man alive who's never misled a woman. And women mislead men. So you say, hang on, so let's not do this thing where I'm talking and you interrupt me. Is that all right?
[2:17:10] Exactly.
[2:17:11] You talk very fast sometimes and you interject while I'm still in the middle of the sentence.
[2:17:15] Well, yeah. I mean, if you're mischaracterizing something or something I know is not true, then I will interject. And it's my show, right? So I'm afraid I do have a little bit of the upper hand here. So I get that.
[2:17:23] Okay.
[2:17:25] So you said that you never lied to women and that as a high status, high attractive, good looking, charismatic male with great verbal skills, you never misled any women about anything.
[2:17:38] I said I never lied about my body count, But I did just admit that I have been dishonest before.
[2:17:44] Okay, so what did you lie about? My apologies.
[2:17:47] Great question. When I was in my longest relationship,
[2:17:50] The woman was—
[2:17:50] No, no, before your 40s.
[2:17:52] Oh, my God. I lied about shoplifting when I was a little kid. I lied to my parents about—
[2:17:57] No,
[2:17:57] No, no, to women.
[2:17:59] You want to know all my—to women, right. Good question.
[2:18:03] Did women date you with the impression that you were open to a long-term relationship, marriage, kids?
[2:18:11] I can't think of any significant dishonesty until I had my longest relationship. And that's when I started not always speaking my mind. Or I would, in my longest relationship, the one that ended four years ago, the one that lasted five years but ended four years ago, that's the relationship where i can remember the the most dishonesty i don't really remember any significant dishonesty from my short-term dating before that because my longest relationship before that was only two months long so i went from only two month long relationships to now having a five-year relationship well
[2:18:47] I thought it was four but oh four years ago you broke up so five years ago that relationship was sustained on lies.
[2:18:53] It's no it wasn't sustained on lies was sustained on mutual connection, and we worked together.
[2:18:58] You said you lied a lot.
[2:19:00] I didn't say a lot. I just said that's the relationship where I can remember the most count of dishonest moments. I didn't say it was a lot.
[2:19:09] Okay, so hang on. So I got it. So hang on. Sorry to interrupt. Sorry to interrupt. Sorry to interrupt. I need to bring this to a close in some sort of way that is not too constipated for everyone.
[2:19:20] Fair enough. But just so you know, you do insinuate a lot, and sometimes you're not intellectually consistent, and that's not good for you.
[2:19:26] Okay, so, And in your 30s, the longest relationship you ever had was two months. Correct. Okay. So were you up front with the women and say, I don't do long-term relationships. It never happens. It's not going to happen with you. It's just going to be about sex. No.
[2:19:45] Even though that became the pattern, it wasn't my intention. My intention was to date with a long-term relationship. And then maybe something comes up where she says, I just decided I'm going to be a raging liberal. or she's something like a red flag would come up, maybe around like date nine or 10 or a couple of months in where I'm like, okay, I decided I don't want to date you after all. But that's stuff that I now realize we should have gotten on the table in the first couple of dates. So that's why it would end after two months or something would come up where I say, okay, I really don't want to date this woman after all. And we might've hooked up in the bedroom during that two month period. So it was incidental.
[2:20:21] So the longest relationship you had with two months, but not every relationship with two months right yeah.
[2:20:27] Some were shorter some was just a few dates and you know a friendly goodbye and no sex involved i i guess i wouldn't call that a relationship until you actually tell the woman will you be my girlfriend can we make this a serious relationship then you're in a relationship right
[2:20:41] Well no i mean that's so okay so what's you a rough body count 50 okay okay so women want long-term relationships as.
[2:20:56] A whole
[2:20:57] a Few of them didn't a few of them told me
[2:20:59] i know i understand that's why i said as a whole i understand you don't need to go over basic statistics with me so women as a whole want long and the more attractive the man is the more she wants to have a longer-term relationship right
[2:21:10] I Would assume so yeah if he's attractive she would like to have his babies yeah
[2:21:13] right
[2:21:15] And when I said you
[2:21:16] Can read the woman's mind, it's just about understanding basic female nature, which is women want to, especially the more attractive you are, the more high status you are, and you're attractive and high status, the more the woman is going to want to settle down. That's what women are programmed to do is find a high status male and settle down.
[2:21:31] Right?
[2:21:32] Sure. Yes.
[2:21:33] Right. Okay. So you happen to inherit a lot of gifts, and my contention is that consciously or unconsciously, you dangled those gifts in the possibility of a longer term relationship in order to access sex and then ghosted the women to some degree.
[2:21:45] I don't think that's a fair statement I mean she had fun if we had a good time in the bedroom I made sure she was happy so she had a great time too and if she was telling me that she was she was already sleeping me with the intention of marriage that I don't even remember any one time where a woman said
[2:22:03] That she actually
[2:22:04] Have a few women ask me to marry them I don't know maybe when I was when I was in youth group I remember we would joke around and people would say that girl's perfect for you. And we would joke about, we'll get married someday. If we're not already married by age 30, we'll get married. We would joke about stuff like that. Can we get, what was your question again? I'm sorry, I'm sidetracked.
[2:22:25] Well, no, it was really just more of a statement. So listen, I'm not going to get through to you. I understand that. I just wanted to sort of point out in general to men, and this is true for women, but I'm talking to men as a whole. If you're born with a bunch of unearned gifts, right, you're tall, good looking, great hair, great skin, great jawline, blue eyes, whatever it is that women find appealing, and you've got great verbal skills, and you have charisma, and all of that, then you have a special power. And women are drawn to you, and you didn't earn it.
[2:23:00] You
[2:23:01] You're getting up at dawn and working 14 hours a day to build a business and then you end up with some money or you're working out four hours a day and you end up with some muscles. You're just accidental inheritance. And we get corrupted by that which we did not earn that we can exploit. And we also make the mistake of thinking that because people want us for things that we accidentally inherited, that makes us valuable. Like if you inherit $10 million and women find you more attractive because of those $10 million, it's very easy for us to think that that makes us valuable as opposed to just we accidentally inherited stuff. So men in particular, because we tend to take more initiative in the dating market, if you have inherited good looks, height, charisma, language skills, maybe some money too, could be the case, right? Or, you know, God help you, any combination or all of these things. Then you have a special power with women and you can use that power to get women to sleep with you. And it's not going to be the highest quality women by definition, because a high quality woman is going to assess your capacity for pair bonding before dating you. And if you're honest with that woman and you say, oh man, I mean, I'm in my late 20s, my 30s, my early 40s, and I've never had a relationship last longer than two months, a quality woman will run the fuck away.
[2:24:27] She will back away slowly, not making any sudden movements, because you have no relationship skills. You don't know how to sustain a relationship. You don't know how to negotiate. You don't know how to live together. You don't know how to, you know, do any of the difficult things. You've had all of the fun stuff of relationships, which is, you know, dinners and dates and walks in the park and sex and, you know,
[2:24:43] all of those things are great, but you don't have any relationship skills.
[2:24:46] You don't know how to sustain a relationship. You don't know how to navigate differences, find strengths and weaknesses, work with a woman to build a life together. You're a bit shallow and a bit frivolous, a bit sex-obsessed. And so a quality woman will.
[2:25:02] Not date you.
[2:25:03] She might be attracted to you. She'll be tempted, I'm sure, because you could be this sort of good-looking, tall uber-chat or whatever, but she's not going to date you because you have too many red flags. So the only women who will date you are women who are not particularly wise. And when you are smart, intelligent, tall, good-looking, charismatic, and you're kind of trawling around the unwise women for sex, it's not honorable, particularly. It's not elevated. It's not noble. And I say this with no condemnation we've you know I mean I was a pretty good-looking young man and it's it's it's tempting and I get all of that so I'm not you know trying to dump on anyone's parade here but I'm just saying that for the younger man in particular this is kind of a lesson right this is kind of a lesson I would say for this man I'm sorry to talk about you like you're not here but this is you.
[2:26:00] This is kind of a
[2:26:01] Lesson that if you use your inherited gifts to have sex with a lot of women who aren't super high quality, then you end up pushing 50 alone. And your looks are fading.
[2:26:16] And, you know, 47,
[2:26:18] Right? He's a good looking guy and healthy. And so he's probably going to live another 40 years, right? So he's got almost as far to go as he's been alive. And, and what, what, what, what's going to happen? Well, you know, he can obviously milk his looks for a little longer and date, date older women as he did, date the woman who was, I think, six years older in his forties, in his, sorry, 37 plus. So it's, it's just, it's a tough life. It's, it's a tough life. You know, I've said this for a long time. You need to spend the first half of your life to a large degree planning for the second half of your life.
[2:26:57] And, you know, he's, this man, he's passed halfway, passed the halfway point, certainly passed the halfway point of his life as a whole. And where did he go from here? Is a wise woman going to marry a man who, you know, if we don't count the last couple of years, has only ever had a two-month relationship and then, did talk about having more lies in the longer term relationship. That's tough. And so, you know, I obviously wish you the best and I really do appreciate the frankness of the conversation, but I think it's a little bit of a warning to younger people that if you inherit these gifts, please, please, please try to use them for the betterment of humanity. And having sex with 50 women is not... Planet because it makes them a little bit more cynical. It makes them a little bit more bitter. It might make them feel used. And of course, STDs are a problem. Unwanted pregnancies are a problem. Stalkers are a problem. False allegations of a woman who regrets. I mean, you really are playing an extreme sport and it's not good for the planet as a whole. It's better for the planet as a whole if we try and find someone that we can love, settle down early, have our kids early, pair bond, and don't leave disappointed women in your wake because you happen to inherit a bunch genetic gifts. So sorry for that long speech. Obviously, you can get the last word and I appreciate the conversation.
[2:28:18] Well, thank you. Yeah. And I agree. Well, also, it's not a gift if a family member leaves you a box of Naked Lady magazines that may seem like a secret joy that you can have. But one thing I've learned is that actually pushes a man into a deeper state of loneliness and it also perverts his brain. I mean, those girls probably only got paid $100 or $200 to take their picture for Hugh Hefner. And that's a lifetime stigma they're going to have. I mean, a lot of people probably don't even realize they ever did that. But it contributes to the conundrum that we're dealing with. Like, does having more promiscuous sex make the world a better place or a worse place? I would argue what you're saying. It doesn't make the world a better place. And it breaks hearts. And it causes tension and confusion. And it makes it harder. And yes, you're right. I'm almost pushing 50. And I'm wondering, I mean, I believe I have what it takes to settle down and have a serious relationship, but I'm also now finally, and I'm almost done talking. I'm finally now realizing I've been given sort of a gift, right? So long story short, I moved from Los Angeles to Utah, a very small town, heavy, heavy vacation zone. So if you have a home or apartment building or Airbnbs, you're always going to make some money out here. So I came out here with my now ex. We came out here over about eight years ago now.
[2:29:43] Me, run the business. And then after a while, we got tired of it. I hadn't put a ring on it.
[2:29:47] And I took her out for her third birthday. And we did a helicopter aerial tour over the lake and the canyons. She told me, you know what? The helicopter thing was nice. What I really wanted was a ring. I was hoping you would propose to me today. And it was right there. I was really floored. And I realized I got to get serious.
[2:30:06] But even then, I still didn't do it. I just figured, well, we're common law married.
[2:30:09] What's the point of buying a diamond ring? There's slave labor. there's kids in Africa I don't want to support the diamond ring trade blah blah blah so I had my own reasons for that but I still didn't really make it 100% official with her and then I lost that about a year later so now I've had four years in solitude with a few dates here and there but it's a time for me to be introspective and realize how I can work on myself so I've been taking time to do that and I really do appreciate you hosting the space and digging into my own personal psychology, and then extrapolating from that for the greater good. So thank you very much.
[2:30:41] I appreciate that.
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