[0:00] Good evening.
Yes, good evening, everybody. Stephen Molyneux from Free Domain.
We are here to chat philosophy on this year of our lark, the 8th of March 2024, 7 p.m.
Don't forget there's a time switch this weekend.
11 o'clock will probably be 10 o'clock, so I'll be getting up at the crack of noon.
No, I'll be here to chat with you guys at 11 on on Le Sunday.
So I hope you'll join me there as well.
I told you Big Hein was going to bounce back, right? Anyway, so hair looks great.
Thank you. I appreciate that. It's been singled out.
My hair is like a flock of birds being scattered by the hawk called Dime.
All right, so let's get to your questions right away. This show is about you and you alone. All right.
[0:57] Somebody says, I'm making short videos for a client. I want to tell him that I'll be charging him for any videos that he wants to replace that I already made short.
I was wondering if I'm doing a good job of setting boundaries or being unreasonable. How can you tell?
Making short videos for a client.
I don't understand. So you take a long video and you slice it up for your client, and then he tells you whether he likes your slices or not? Dunno.
[1:28] I don't know. I don't know. Uh, but I wouldn't be in that business for very long because AI is pretty good at slicing and dicing videos up and making shorts out of them.
So, um, I don't, I don't really understand the business model.
So if you, if you say I'm going to spend three hours making short videos for you and he wants a bunch replaced, well, I would give him a couple of freebies and see if you can figure out the patterns and see if he can give you objective standards as to what he wants, right?
So if you're not doing as good a job as he would like you to do for whatever reason, then you need to learn what he wants and how and why, and then try and fulfill that.
And if he keeps moving the goalposts, then he's probably not a productive person to work with.
It's very, very, very, very important. As I've mentioned before in business, you must, you must, you must Just fire people who cost you money.
You fire people who cost you money. Oh, the customer is always right.
Nah, that's for low-level front-end grunts in a big corporation with a giant law department and government contacts.
You must, must, must fire people who, fire customers who are losing you money in the long run, right?
Because it'll drive you crazy. It'll absolutely drive you crazy. All right.
[2:51] So, here we go. Second question of the night.
Hey, Steph, thanks for being here. You're welcome. I don't really understand boundaries.
My intuition is that if you have to invoke them in a relationship, that is to sign the relationship is dysfunctional, which is strange because I think property rights are necessary for a healthy civilization, and all property has boundaries.
Do you have boundaries between you and your wife, you and Izzy?
Yeah. Yeah.
Boundaries is kind of the modern satanic discourse, like you just can't talk about morals.
So you talk about boundaries because you can't talk about, you know, basic morals.
So what boundaries generally mean is if somebody's being intrusive, you kind of beat them back over a particular border.
Like if your mom is calling you, I don't know, 15 times a day, you say, oh, there's no boundaries here, there's no boundaries.
So, mom, I'm going to need you to slice that back to three times a day and then maybe to once a day, and that's kind of setting up boundaries.
[3:57] But I had this, I had a call in yesterday with a guy, actually, one of the very few call in.
[4:06] Participants, call in people, one of the very few listeners who've called in genuinely got angry at within 15 minutes of starting the conversation.
And it actually turned out to be very productive.
And you can listen to that when it comes out.
But one of the things that I said to him was, I said, He said, look, you can't win in any conflict with someone who has no integrity, no empathy, no ethics.
You can't win in any conflict with someone who has no integrity.
Because the people without integrity will just win at all costs.
They'll change the rules. They'll gaslight you. They'll, uh, try to destroy your reputation.
They'll manipulate, they'll spread lies.
They're like, they'll just cost you money. They'll, you know, they'll, they'll do anything to win, just anything to win.
So people without a sense of self-restraint, people without a sense of self-discipline or virtue or morality or empathy, you can't win any conflict with them because there's no winning.
If people just change the rules arbitrarily, and the example I gave if it was can you win in a chess game if your opponent can change the rules at will?
[5:31] You cannot. In fact, it's an insult. It is a genuine insult to chess, to pretend to play chess with people who don't follow the rules of chess.
You're not playing chess then. You're playing some other nonsense, right? It's not really a game at all.
I don't have any boundaries with the people in my life because we're moral and sensitive and empathetic and curious and considerate and thoughtful.
And so why would I need to have boundaries?
People care about me. I care about them.
Why would i need to have boundaries my wife i don't know she's not like uh uh practicing the macarena on a slab of wood on her side of the bed at four o'clock in the morning so i gotta say hey, enough macarena uh no she i mean she's very thoughtful and i'm thoughtful and so we don't you know we're sensitive to what each other needs so i i don't i wouldn't imagine the need to have or enforce boundaries.
[6:48] I mean, that's kind of like you have a, boundaries are like a chain, right?
Like you've got some crazy dog in your backyard and you got to chain the dog up in the backyard because he's going to come and bite the children on the back porch.
You know, like, I don't know what, putting people on a leash or setting up boundaries or enforcing boundaries or like, why would you want people in your life who aren't sensitive and thoughtful thoughtful and care about you and wouldn't impose, you know, I mean, with my family, it's, it's a lot of like, well, where do you, what do you want to do?
And where do you want to go for dinner? Or what do you like?
You know, it's, it's too much sometimes deferral. I mean, but that's definitely something you want to, you want to have too much of that rather than the other thing.
But I don't, um, I don't, I'm trying to think, I don't have anyone in my life.
[7:41] I don't have anyone in my life that I would need to enforce boundaries with.
[7:47] Because how would you enforce boundaries? So let's say somebody was, I don't know, somebody was calling me 10 times a day or something.
I just wouldn't have that person in my life.
Oh, I just blocked the number or whatever, right? Not that I've really had to deal with that, but it's a funny thing.
And I know this sounds like magic and kind of, it kind of feels like magic a little bit, but let me tell you when you have, this is from another call-in show I did this week.
When you have functional people in your life, the non-functional people don't show up anymore.
It's a weird kind of herd instinct. It's, it's a wild phenomenon.
When you have healthy, happy, positive, moral, productive, functional people in your life, the crazies don't show up.
It's like the cross, the holy water.
It's like you sweat holy water or give it off as a vapor around you.
When you have crazy people in your life, the sane people don't show up.
And when you have sane people in your life, the crazy people don't show up.
It's like they're opposite poles like you know the magnets opposing poles you just can't push them together they don't live in the same it's almost like the same universe they don't live in the same universe when I was younger there was nothing but crazy people around.
[9:14] Because that was my mom and her life and her friends that was just crazy people everywhere now I don't know where they've gone but they ain't here, and crazy people, dysfunctional people, messed up people, immoral people.
[9:34] You know, it's like that vampire thing. You got to invite them in.
Like you've got to invite them in. Come on in.
And it's one or the other. If you got the crazies, the moral, it's not even, you don't even see them coming and they avoid you like they're in another universe.
Like I call it the sort of trash planet, like escape from trash planet.
Maybe that's my, maybe that's my, My second title for my autobiography, First is Vaguely British Noises, suggested by my daughter, and the second is Escape from Trash Planet.
I don't know where the crazy people are anymore. I don't see them.
I don't interact with them. I don't deal with them.
[10:16] So it is a funny thing.
It's a funny thing.
[10:23] It's just not around. Thank you for, oh, sorry. Thank you, Dorbenz.
Thank you, Certain Tease. Great name.
Thank you, Mobius. I appreciate your tips.
Great eyebrow hair. Arkansas Ditch Caterpillar is about to mate across my brow.
[10:43] Yeah the show I did on it's the same effing river my Heraclitus rebuttal oh I was really on fire for that one sometimes all the words just line up in a row in a beautiful beautiful way, you can't enforce boundaries you can't enforce boundaries because it's just you have to be hyper vigilant oh and mom Mom, you're calling me too much again.
Oh, you're doing this. Oh, you got to push back.
I told you I didn't want to come out if there was going to be drinking.
You know that, right? Why? Why would you want that?
You see, enforcing boundaries is saying to someone, hey, listen, man, I know you don't have any empathy, but trust me, you can outsource your conscience and your empathy to me.
Like you'll never figure out what I want or what's reasonable or what I like or what is decent. I'll just enforce that for you.
So you don't have to have a conscience I'll be your conscience I'll be your conscience tonight right so why would you want to be somebody else's conscience, it's never going to work and all they'll do you know whenever you set up boundaries with people who don't have a conscience they'll just switch tactics they'll just switch tactics.
[12:06] Mom, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't call me as much.
Oh, oh, oh, okay. I didn't realize I was being intrusive. I didn't realize I was being such a bother. Okay, okay.
I'll do what you want. I'll listen. I'll be that person.
And what does she do then? She texts you more.
She'll talk to your friends or siblings more or your wife more.
Or, well, I don't want to bother him, but if you could just ask him this, I would really appreciate it.
And you're just playing whack-a-mole, and you'll say that, and then she'll do something else, and then maybe she'll write you long letters, or, you know, it's going to be something.
But you can't enforce a conscience in someone, because a conscience is an internal state where you have the ego strength to compare your actions to ideal standards, right?
So a conscience to do with the past, like so free will is your ability to compare proposed actions to ideal standards.
Your conscience is your ability in particular regarding the past to compare your past actions to ideal standards.
[13:16] I mean, for me, like, uh, I believe in peaceful parenting. I advocate peaceful parenting. I've now been a parent for 15 years and change.
[13:24] Have I, um, achieved my goal of peaceful parenting?
Yes, I have. Have I been perfect at it?
I don't even, I hate the word perfect because it's, it's just a leverage that's used to make you feel bad, but no, I've, I've done, I've done a fine job.
I've done a fine job. It's like saying, what's the show? Is this show perfect?
It's like, nah, I don't even care. It doesn't, it's not a standard that I would ever be interested in.
It's just a paralytic standard that other people apply to you, but never themselves so that you don't outstrip their achievements or make them feel bad because of their lack of achievement.
So perfectionism is just a form of spiritual poison.
But yeah, I have achieved that. Have I done right by philosophy in the world? F yeah.
F yeah. More than anyone else, I believe, because of the focus on childhood.
So yes, I have absolutely done right by philosophy and have moved the discipline forward enormously.
UPB plus childhood plus definitions of love and free will and all of that work and have lasted the test of time. So yes, I'm very, have I been a good husband?
Yeah, I've been good husband. I've been a good husband.
Um, my wife and I enjoy spending time together.
We love, uh, our evenings out if we can go, if we can get out.
And, um, even if we're just sitting around chatting, it's just lovely. So yeah.
[14:52] You know, I had to, I had to go and get my, um, uh, you know, you drop your car in for service of a secondhand car, right?
So you drop your car in for service and it's like, you, you, there's that pause, you know, and you're like, okay, I guess I'll come back tomorrow.
And so they needed my car for two days. I had to go back today and it was a fair, fair drive.
And, uh, my daughter's like, Hey, I'll come. I was like, great.
Sit in the car. We, she played me her music. I played her some of my music, uh, or rather she looked it up in the passenger seat. and we had a little outing, we had a little fun together and it was just great. It was just really nice.
So if people don't have the capacity to compare themselves to any ideal standard.
[15:37] They'll just do what they can get away with. Right?
I mean, they're literally like little kids who just want something out of the cookie jar, right?
They just want something out of the cookie jar. I can't remember.
We got our ducts cleaned, as you should, from time to time, I believe.
We got our ducts cleaned, and of course, what came flying out of my daughter's bedroom was a couple of candy wrappers, right?
Because like every little kid, she snuck some candy, and she ate some candy, and she hid the candy wrappers. I mean, that's fine.
I mean, she eats well and responsibly.
But she experimented with that, so just do what they can get away with, right?
[16:19] Yeah, it is. You can't become someone's conscience.
[16:24] You can't. That observing ego, that capacity to evaluate yourself without self-abuse, with curiosity, with a desire to improve your behavior, but without despair.
I mean, that's a bit of a balancing act, right? So you want a bell curve of self-evaluation.
You don't want to be like, well, everything I do is great no matter what, by definition, right?
That's, I don't know, some sort of narcissistic megalomania or something that I am the good.
At the same time, you don't want to say, oh man, I did this or that or the other again. I'm such an idiot.
Right. Then, cause then that's not having the conscience that's having this self abuse, right?
So self-justification and self-abuse, you want to get somewhere in the middle where you say, yeah, I objectively, I could have done that better. I'm curious as to why.
And I mean, hopefully I've been modeling that kind of stuff stuff in call-in shows for for these many years so yeah i don't i don't do boundaries because if people have empathy we can have a relationship if they don't have empathy i'm not going to pretend that i can a couple of things i i don't pretend i can bear somebody else's child i don't pretend i can digest food for everyone other people i don't imagine that if someone's tired then, i take a nap and they're refreshed i i just i don't imagine any of these things i don't imagine that I can perform other people's basic bodily functions, right?
[17:49] Oh, you look thirsty. Let me have some water, right? I don't imagine for a moment that I can perform other people's basic bodily functions.
Conscience is a basic bodily function. It's a basic part of your brain.
It's a basic bodily function.
[18:05] So I don't, uh, I don't do boundaries.
I mean, when I was younger, of course, I, I, I, Lord knows I gave it a shot.
I gave it more than one shot. I gave it considerable amounts of shock shot, but, uh, people, they just get sneaky and subversive if they don't have a conscience and you try to enforce standards, they just get resentful and sneaky and subversive.
And you just spend your whole time playing whack-a-mole and it's really, really boring.
You know, it's the funny thing, sort of the foundational thing I would say to you if you're you're younger is that, uh, dysfunctional people are incredibly boring, incredibly boring.
So predictable. There's no spontaneity. There's no curiosity.
There's no change. There's no growth. It's just groundhog day of stupid shit over and over again until somebody gets, ends up in the ground, in the ground.
That's about it. That's about it.
Just joined, hi there, Rob from South Australia.
Why do you think France is just as wealthy on average as the UK despite a more centrally planned economy?
[19:19] But there's no country that's wealthy.
Yeah, sorry, are you taking government figures? Yes, meaning anything? do you think?
[19:36] Ah, yeah, I mean, I, I don't do voodoo spells and I don't do government statistical data for the most part, but there's no, every country, every developed nation is a giant black hole of soul and civilization consuming debt.
Like they're just black holes masquerading as stars it's like some guy who says oh i retired when i was 35 i'm retired when i'm 35 and i'm just living in this multi-million dollar mansion with these expensive cars and it's just debt he owes like five million dollars there's no hope of paying it off and it's just all it's all an illusion you look around like everything you you see that's built and it's just an illusion. It's a fantasy.
It's a fantasy. You know, it's like the Flintstones cartoons, they run off the cliff and they just legs pump in the mid air before they notice that they're up there and they fall.
Nothing that is around us is real.
It's all historical momentum, pillaging of past intelligence and debt. So.
[20:55] All right. Usually girls who friendzone guys have orbiters and have orbiters are the ones who speak about boundaries the most.
Yeah. It's really a terrible exploitation for, it's a terrible exploitation, of course, for women to friendzone guys and continue to get resources, time, and attention from their desperation.
Thank you for the support. I appreciate that.
Going on from your thoughts on morality and integrity.
How does a free market deal with people who do not act in a moral way?
And more generally, what do you see as the biggest weaknesses or issues that would arise if we lived in a true free market?
I don't understand. Let's take the second part of your question.
What would be the biggest negatives of a peaceful world? What on earth are you talking about?
[21:53] All right she i got this theory i'm mongolian and genghis khan is reaping his way across asia i have this theory see that maybe the women shouldn't be raped en masse as a weapon of war what do you think the biggest downsides would be if the women not being raped as a weapon of war by genghis khan and all of his minions what do you think the negatives would be what would the problems be women not being raped on an industrial scale all throughout Asia?
Or to go well, how do you envision people getting together and having children if we don't use mass rape on an industrial scale to populate the planet?
What are the biggest problems if we free the slaves? What are the biggest negatives?
Why would I I care. How about we stop using the initiation of force to get what we want?
So, again, I don't understand.
[22:54] So let's say we stop beating our children with rubber hoses and electrical cables.
[23:00] Let's say we stop beating our children.
What are the downsides of that? What are the biggest problems that arise out of not beating our children and actually loving them?
You know, if you decide in your marriage to stop throwing your wife down flights of curved stairs, what negative impacts do you think that that will have on your marriage if you decide not to throw your wife down spiral staircases?
I'm sorry, again, I genuinely don't understand what you're talking about.
How does a free market deal with people who do not act in a moral way? Why would I care?
Why on earth would I care? And how could I possibly know? We're talking about things hundreds of years in the future.
I'm more interested in the psychology and genuinely interested in the psychology of why you would ask such a question.
[23:53] Why would you ask a question that if people aren't forced to interact with each other at gunpoint threatened with the state rape gulags of prison what do you think would be the negatives or the biggest problems or weaknesses that would arise in a world without war intergenerational debt debt enslavement, mass propaganda, violence against children, and voluntary and peaceful trade among adults.
Well, who'd be the biggest weaknesses or issues? I'm sorry, I don't understand. Compared to what?
Compared to what? So again, I'm certainly happy to hear, but I don't even know what the question means.
[24:37] What's the downside of virtue?
[24:41] All right, somebody says, Says Dave, I found my functional crowd by going to church recently, so I feel less need to hang on to the crazy people because loneliness is no longer an issue if they abandon me. Ah, that's good. That's right.
Uh, how would a free society deal with people whose IQ is so low that they don't have the ability to compare their behavior to a higher standard?
Will we have to become their conscience as a society?
No, people who would not be able to tell right from wrong would be, I'm sure, incentivized and institutionalized, right? Right.
I mean, if somebody had, see, here's the problem, right?
So, uh, if we say that, um, you know, children could begin to learn morality, 18 months, two years, whatever it is. Right.
So let's say that you have a, uh, an adult male, he's six foot two and 220 pounds, and he has the brain of a one-year-old, right?
I mean, obviously severely mentally mentally disadvantaged to put it mildly, but he has adult strength.
He has adult lusts and so on. Right.
Well, um, he could not survive on his own, right?
He, a one-year-old, uh, does not have the ability to, to drive a car, to, uh, enter into a contract, to save money, to have a bank account.
Like none of these things would be possible for somebody of that limited, a cognitive state. date.
[26:07] So because they wouldn't be able to enter into contracts, nobody would give them contracts and therefore the parents would have to take care of them, right?
And you would do this, right? So you would buy insurance, right?
You would buy insurance before your children were born and the insurance would be, okay, well, let's say the kid gets meningitis and half the brain gets eaten away or whatever could happen, right?
Some congenital defect, some issue, some, well, lose oxygen during in childbirth, whatever it is, right?
And then the insurance companies would take care of those people.
But nobody would enter into a contract with a 20-year-old man or woman who had the mental capacity of a one-year-old, right?
So they wouldn't be able to enter into society because nobody would enter into contracts with them.
So they would be under the care of their community. They would be under the care of the dispute resolution organizations, the parents, any number of ways of doing it, but they wouldn't be out and about.
How could they be, right? So, let's see here.
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[27:16] I need to start looking for quality people more actively.
I need to start looking for quality people more actively. What do you mean?
So you're saying you are a high quality person, but other quality people just aren't finding you?
Well, just be a high quality person and be willing to be alone as you cross the desert from trash planet to Elysium Fields to the paradise of functional people.
[27:49] And you just start looking for quality people more actively.
No, just don't be around crappy people and the good people will find you. All right.
[27:57] Somebody says, Hi, Steph, what are your thoughts on one parent in the middle of a divorce telling the children that the other parent was behaving in an amoral manner?
Did not honor the vows, and that is the reason for the divorce.
They always say that you should not discuss adult issues with children or speak ill of the other parents.
Yeah you know who says that bad moms and dads oh don't you speak ill of me to the kids, uh yeah well you can't like you can't speak ill of your partner because you chose your partner, right i mean you let's say that you're the the husband and and the wife has an affair and and i don't know some addiction or other and it's just a massive problem and all of that Well, you're going to go, I suppose you're going to go to the kids and you're going to say, gee, your mama, your mama, your mama is really bad, right?
[29:01] Well, you chose her. Not only did you choose to meet her, date her, get engaged to her, get married to her, and you gave her children.
You can't ever win at your partner's expense. So the other parent was behaving in an amoral manner.
Do you think that that gets you off the hook? It does not. It does not.
I mean, it's so funny. Like my mom would trash my dad.
And you chose him. I mean, my mom was a beautiful woman and slender and, you know, she's very witty and, and she's, um, got a good, uh, good sense of humor and, or at times she used to, it kind of faded away as the paranoia set in as it tends to.
But if you start putting down the other parent, the kids aren't gonna, like, if you say, well, you see, I'm better than your mother because she did all these amoral things.
It's like, dude, you chose her. You chose her.
[30:09] Now, see, do not discuss adult issues with children.
Now, of course you don't discuss adult issues with children, right?
I don't know, let's say that the man is suffering from erectile dysfunction or something like that, right?
Hey, kids, right? I mean, you don't obviously discuss adult issues with children.
Children, unless the adult issues have a massive impact on the children's lives.
No, no, we're hiding the divorce from the children.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but can you imagine that? Honey, our plan is we aren't going to get divorced.
You move out, we'll get the lawyers, we'll split everything, we'll sell the house, but we're going to hide all of this from the children.
Like, how are you going to do that, Chris?
With aimbots? With AI? How are you going to build a robot? What?
How are you going to hide this from the kids? Right? You can't.
So the idea, of course, that I don't want to discuss the divorce with the children.
It's like, no, no, you have to discuss the divorce with the children because it's already affecting the children.
It's already impacting the children. It's changing the children's entire lives.
And they have a right to know what happened.
[31:34] Is they had a right to know what happened because you're going to have to explain something, like there's nothing that you can hide and again i'm not talking about babies or toddlers right but at an appropriate age which depends on your children's intelligence and maturity you're going to have to sit down the kids and say we're getting divorced right.
[31:58] Now you can say as some people do oh no reason no it's you know um, you know i just we rolled snake eyes um i drew the short i drew the low card when splitting the deck you know we we rock paper scissored and you know i lost so we're getting divorced there's no reason that we're still friends we love each other there's absolutely no reason well that's insane for children like why on earth are you disrupting the kids entire lives if you still love each other and care about each other and want to get along right if the mom had an affair again i mean i at what age that's appropriate i don't know but you can say mom fell in love with someone outside the marriage and mom wants to go and pursue that relationship or you know dad has a gambling gambling addiction, uh, which he can't kick and I can't live like this anymore.
Yeah, he is. I'm sad. Like it is sad. He's choosing gambling over his family.
That's really terrible.
[33:05] So, you have to give an explanation.
Otherwise, the kids are going to be like, yeah, you can be happy, you can love each other, and you're just going to split and half-wrack the lives of the children for no freaking reason whatsoever. That's not fair on kids.
And also, if you say, well, this is from Kairos, oh, but your mother completely changed.
Well, that's, so you being defensive, right? So let's say that the mom's amoral and they divorce because she's doing this terrible stuff.
And then the father says, well, I'm not to blame.
I'm not to blame because she was wonderful for like 10 years.
And then she just changed.
Magic. It's a kind of tragic. Right. She just changed. Boom. Just changed.
[33:56] Well, what does that tell the kids? well you can be together for 10 years and then the other person can just get possessed by a kind of anti-human demon and wreck your life with no possibility of knowing ahead of time you'll make your children so paranoid they can never fall in love there has to be a reason as to why the divorce is happening and the reason has to be the fault of the parents and you have to communicate to the children the fault of the parents so that the children aren't paranoid wow she was wonderful But then she just crazy.
She woke up one day. It's just a crazy person. It's like, great.
Now you've just cursed your children to never ever been able, being able to fall in love, great job, everybody, but.
[34:46] Just don't get divorced.
Respect your vows.
Be mature. Be decent. Work it out. Fix it. Do whatever you have to do to fix the relationship.
Well, she doesn't want you anymore. Okay, well, who were you that she doesn't even want to try? Who were you that you chose someone like that?
Divorce is a massive failure, a colossal catastrophe, and an unrecoverable disaster for your kids. For your kids.
[35:38] I mean, I'd say take the L, but it's your kids who mostly take the L.
It's one of the greatest disasters that can possibly happen, in your life.
And people who don't do absolutely everything that they conceivably can to keep a marriage together, I have, little more than contempt for.
[36:19] I mean, really, the seeds of me not seeing my parents were sown in their willingness to put literally the entire planet between them, that we stayed in England and my father was in South Africa.
Why on earth would I ever respect the judgment of people who couldn't even choose a partner that they loved to be the father of their children and the mother of their children. Like, why on earth would I listen to anyone about how to live?
You know, I remember.
It just surged within me. I remember, going to visit my father in Africa Recur when I was 16 years old.
[37:10] And he gave me tea and we had to go somewhere and the tea was very hot.
So I slurped it because I felt this urgency to finish my tea before we left.
Because he also had a habit of taking me places and never giving me anything to drink. and I was scarcely used to the white-hot African sun.
[37:35] So I had to get my liquids in. I remember him taking me hiking.
And, of course, he walked for a living, right? He was a geologist. And he took me hiking.
And we were just hiking up. And I was, like, I was beat. I was tired. I was tired.
[37:55] And he was, like, walking ahead of me. Like, he'd be, like, 10 minutes.
I could just see him way up on the path. What the fuck?
Did you ever have this thing in life where you're, like, what am I doing here? here? Why am I here?
Why am I stuck on the side of this African mountain with this guy hiking 10 minutes ahead of me when I finally caught up? He's like, I'm like, I'm really thirsty.
And he's like, what do you want to do is, lean down, grab a rock, and you put the rock in your cheek, and you suck on the rock, it will produce saliva, and you'll be fine. You'll be fine.
I'm now inhaling my own saliva rather than you packing a brita.
I'm sorry, it's just, why would you, I mean, was he trying to impress me?
Well, look what a great hiker I am.
You hike for a living, I get it. Good for you.
I'm stuck in a tiny apartment with a crazy woman that you married. No car.
And I have to work two or three jobs at times, so not a lot of time for sports.
You work and hike for a living. Good for you. you, I'm kind of stuck doing labor to pay the bills.
Oh no. At this point, um, my mom was gone.
So yeah, I was working three jobs that time.
So it didn't have a lot of time for hiking and exercise.
[39:19] So there was that.
So I had to get my liquids in before my dad took me God knows where.
Some drag yourself by the teeth and nails hike across the Kalahari or something.
My father got annoyed. Don't slurp your tea. Don't slurp your tea.
Just this black negativity. Don't slurp your tea. Rude, damn it.
[39:49] Yes, rude. Yes, let me see if I can ascend to your lofty standards, Dad.
The lofty standards of a guy who hasn't seen his son in five years, who barely pays any child support, thought.
[40:14] And the guy who, in the fruit of his wisdom, when he was more than twice the age I am now, or was then, chose to marry my mother, give her two children, and then abandon them to her tender mercies, and never once asked me how I was doing.
With the woman he had to flee, because she was crazy and violent.
Yes, tell me all about how I should sip my tea.
With no respect. How's this guy going to tell me how to live?
How's my mother going to tell me how to live?
God, it's really sad. On the plus side, not being told how to live gave me a real blank slate.
You always look at this trauma like it's nothing but negative.
Nothing but negative. Nothing but net. No, because I could respect precisely no one in my family on how to live.
[41:13] All the Christians, my Christian aunts, all the Christians just never quite got around to asking me how I was doing with my mother.
Nope. Nope, nope, nope. Now, they did make sure that I didn't take too much cereal in the morning.
That they made sure of. But they never quite got around to asking me how my sanity was doing being raised by a woman who ended up in a mental institution.
Never quite got around to that.
I guess they were busy counting cornflakes. It's hard to say, but never quite got around to that.
But the good news is, because I respected no one and nothing when I was growing up, did I respect the teachers? No.
We all get a sense of how deeply immature, hypersensitive, vainglorious, vanity, puffery, puff adders the teachers are.
So tremulous, so tenuous.
You ask them the wrong thing, you make the wrong suggestion, and they just get angry.
Yeah, bullying kids You can force to stay in school Take away a year of their life Moral heroes, all of you.
[42:22] I respected no one and nothing Growing up Which is the foundation Of the beautiful life I have as an adult, If you respect no one Unworthy of respect You then have to develop self-respect And you can draw your life and what you stand for on a blank slate without a million ghostly hands, moving your highlighter in the direction they want.
Because I had no imprinting, I could imprint on reason.
Because I respected no one growing up. I could develop a system of self-respect that has served me and carried me forward and up like a tidal wave. Like a tsunami.
Always look at the loss of trauma. And there is, of course, loss.
I get all of that. But man, don't forget.
Don't forget the gains, the opportunities.
You can be who you are. You can design yourself. You can think for yourself.
You can live unburdened.
[43:41] By confused respect for half-respectful people. I made nobody in my life that I respected. I didn't have a teacher. I didn't have a relative.
I didn't have parents. I didn't have anyone. Nobody. I didn't have grandparents. Nobody I respected.
I remember when my step-grandmother, my real grandmother, died in the Second World War.
She was bombed on a bombing raid flown by one of my uncles on my father's side, or he was in there, a thousand plane raid over Dresden in 1944.
But I remember my step-grandmother came over and she was terrified of my mother.
When I spilled silver paint on the carpet, she helped me cut out a piece, move it, move the furniture to cover it up because she was terrified of how my mother would react when she came home.
Okay, so you're the step-grandmother and you're terrified of my mother.
Don't respect any of this.
[44:40] So, you really do get to draw up your own life charter, your own independence, as long as you don't mourn the lack of respect you have for the incompetence that may have surrounded you.
All right.
Free will is conscience looking forward.
Yeah, I think that's fair.
[45:18] Steph, you have truly done Can You Do Something Out of This World?
From SupertrampDreamer. You are not a dreamer, you are a doer.
Oh, thank you. Appreciate that.
There are times when all the world's asleep.
The questions run too deep for such a simple man. How would a free society deal with... Oh yeah, I keep reading all that.
This boundaries argument is amazing and I'll be donating as soon as I can.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Can certainly confirm in my time as a moderator, very repetitive and slimy behavior.
Oh, they're so boring, they're so predictable.
Ugh. Do you have any techniques to validate empathy in others? Sure. Sure.
[46:03] Sure. Most people are so busy defending themselves that they can't get out of their own walls.
So the way that I think of it, the Battle of Helm's Deep, was anyone saying, hmm, I think I'll go for a hike.
Hmm, I bet you the sunrise over those mountains is going to be beautiful.
I think, no, because they're being besieged, right? And all the orcs in the known universe are pouring down the mountain and trying to get in and rip them apart.
So when people are being besieged, they can't look at anything other than defense.
And that's a lot of people.
That's most people in the world are just besieged by their own remnants of a bad conscience.
They're besieged by knowing that the karma in the actions they've sown is going to come back and bite them in the ass man eater style and not the Hall and Oates kind, but the Steven Spielberg kind.
So most people are just waiting for disaster to strike.
They are poised for battle at all times. And you can see this, right?
You in the politics, right? You bring up, I don't know, the vaccine or you bring up Trump or something like that.
Just seize up. Most people are poised for battle at a moment's notice.
And so they can't get out of their own walls because all they're doing is defending.
And defending is exhausting. And defending is aggression, right?
You just want to punch back if you feel under assault all the time.
So people who are rigidly defensive are preparing to strike back.
They're like the head of the snake going back to strike.
So validated empathy and other is curiosity.
[47:32] Curiosity.
[47:35] Curiosity.
[47:38] I mean, personally, I love knowing how people tick.
What makes them tick. Why they do what they do. And I get something new.
I did a really wild dream analysis yesterday. It was amazing. Beautiful.
Beautiful. This guy who claims to have such a boring life at his unconscious is like Wagner and Shakespeare together.
So, valid in Empony and others? Yeah, you ask them questions about themselves and you then wait for the questions to come back about you.
That's all. That's all.
What is the reason that the government would let bitcoin happen gave the etf blessings etc why did they just allow the thing they should fear the most to go on i don't understand, i mean the government but there's no the government right there's people in the government and they know that fiat can't last so they're looking for a way to store their wealth right there's no way that they can store their wealth if other people don't perceive that store of wealth is valuable so they let bitcoin happen so that they can jump ship so they can get to the lifeboat so all right.
[49:01] How do we get there? Oh, peaceful parenting. Yeah, there's no other way. All right.
Yeah, and it's funny. People are concerned about the least intelligent people, but what's going to happen to the less intelligent people in a free society?
It's like, well, I don't know. How about we don't continually scoop them up, like this evil claw and dump them into the human disassembly meat grinder of eternal warfare, right?
How about we don't just conscript them and have them blown us to bits?
[49:37] Somebody says, I've been told that a common sign of declining empire is the prevalence of blood sports.
Do we not see people getting into physical blood sports in this day and age because we have such plethora of virtual blood sports, film, TV, video games, et cetera?
No, blood sports is actually not a sign of a declining empire.
[49:55] No. know uh hedonism uh and softness right uh people who are raised with no hard decisions because of debt uh and then their the edges of their minds become soft and gooey and dull because they never have to make any tough decisions right so in the past let's say a woman wanted to leave her husband but she'd be left out with nothing and lose all of her social circle so she had a really tough decision so she probably wouldn't now she can right the whole court system is set up so that, Women don't look bad in divorce because women don't want to look bad in divorce, right?
If the kids end up broke because mom initiated a divorce, well, this is why the court system is, at least in America, keep the children in the style to which they become accustomed. Well, why?
They can't possibly, because otherwise they'll get mad at mom, right?
So they have to, the father has to be forced to pay for the mom because most divorces are initiated by women, so...
[50:55] So no, it's, it's, uh, it's hedonism and it's not having to make difficult decisions.
And then what happens is you get, because people like debt is a mind altering drug.
[51:05] Like I can't, I can't stress this enough.
Debt, particularly collective debt, institutional debt, national debts is a mind altering drug.
It makes people unbelievably stupid. stupid.
Because we became the apex predators of the planet due to harsh scarcity and the need to overcome it.
You get rid of scarcity, which is what debt does.
You get rid of scarcity, you turn us from lions to cows.
[51:40] Over-domesticated, unable to defend themselves. ourselves. So no, it's laziness.
It's when anyone comes along with any limitations. Like I remember doing my documentary on California, stood in front of the LA city council and said, how are you going to pay for all of these promises?
You've got no money to pay for all of these things. What are you going to cut?
They just get resentful.
They get resentful. They get mad. They get upset. How dare you bring in limitations?
We're in the land of debt.
Debt breeds megalomania. Debt breeds hedonism, and unreality.
Debt is a kind of psychosis that invades the mind and removes from it any sense of rational limitations and therefore prioritizations.
It dumbs people down enormously because it defers tough decisions, which is a complete lack of empathy for the future. it kills empathy it kills.
[52:35] Planning it kills balancing costs and benefits and everyone who tells the truth becomes the enemy of the psychosis right if you've ever dealt with somebody who's seriously disturbed then telling any kind of truth brings a murderous rage to them and everybody who who points out that the system cannot be sustained and tough decisions need to be made, is viewed as abusive, right?
[53:02] Reality becomes abusive to those doused in the psychotic delusion of debt. It's just appalling.
[53:12] All right, somebody say, thanks, Steph, for your description a month or so back regarding narcissists and how they treat people like a tool.
I am in the later stages of a marriage separation from a woman I consider to be a full-blown narcissist, worst experience of my life, and three beautiful kids in the mix.
It has been a challenge to protect them in what at times has felt like an impossible situation.
Your explanation was very helpful to me, and you are helping me better to protect the children. Thank you. Well, you're welcome.
You're welcome. and you might want to consider why you chose a narcissist to have three children with.
Did you have that thought as a child, you chose him?
It wasn't conscious, but I just, there's a quote that I read from, I think I was in my teens.
There's a quote that I read from Jung, just stuck in my head like a burr, like a splinter in the mind's eye, Alan Dean Foster style.
And the quote was, it was just a throwaway comment. He was talking about a patient of his, a client of his.
And Jung was saying, well, but of course her parents were more than, her parents were ordinary incompetence more than half children themselves.
[54:28] Her parents were just ordinary little incompetence more than half children themselves. themselves.
Do you have that? Do you ever have this thing when you're a kid where you just realize what a house of cards most adult personalities are built on?
Like they got nothing. No substance, no backup, no resolution.
Crazy.
[55:05] Um, so do I have a thought as a child, you chose her, you chose him.
I had instincts as a child. I was not really allowed to have my own thoughts.
Uh, I got, once I got into my teens, it's like, stop complaining about this guy.
You divorced when I was five months old or like, like stop, like it's sad. bad.
You know, when people deny responsibility, a bear trap forms on their soul and refuses to let them move forward.
You ever see this? Like people that you know, you can see, you can see people, where did you get stuck? Where did you get stuck? Where did you get stuck? Boom.
You can see some people get stuck at five or 10 or 15 or 20 or whatever.
It's like, where did you get stuck?
Well, you get stuck the moment you start making excuses from your life, about your life and stop taking responsibility.
The moment you start blaming others, you get stuck.
And with my parents, it was like, you just get stuck because they wouldn't take responsibility. Just blamed each other.
Instinctively, I just couldn't respect that. Because of course, you know, you've got all these parents who are telling you to take responsibility and they won't take responsibility.
So it's just like, eh, it's just, it just turned into noise.
Like I just didn't respect, didn't care, didn't, it just, I just got to move on to something else. Like this is, this is gross.
[56:32] All right what is your colloquial definition for self-abuse, yeah i don't quite understand um i don't quite understand i don't i mean i know i've used the term but uh if you've listened to call and shows with any attentiveness and i'm not saying you haven't but maybe you haven't heard these ones yeah i don't i don't really believe in self-abuse, i don't believe in uh in self-abuse.
[57:03] I mean, if you kidnap a man's wife and you tell him that he has to film punching himself in the head as hard as he can in order to have his wife released, and he punches himself in the head to get his wife released, is that self-abuse? No.
It's not self-abuse. He's doing that to get his wife back because he's under a massive threat, right?
He's going to kill his wife or something like that, right? Does that make sense?
[57:35] So i don't really believe in self-abuse i do accept that people have to harm themselves in order to appease abusive parents sure yeah i get that i get that you know like if if you're being threatened with a gulag unless you denounce yourself as a bourgeois then you denounce yourself as a bourgeois in order to escape the gulag is that self-abuse no you just you've got a gun to your head so you you know you you you punch yourself because you can control how hard you punch yourself, right?
If your parent punches you, they could do more damage, right?
So I don't really believe in self-abuse. There is simply the internalized abuse that has to be done to appease sadistic people in your life when you were younger, if they were there.
Which one do you think personally is better to live in when trying to be a peaceful parent? The countryside, suburbia, inner city, or city center?
I mean, if you can make it to the countryside, I think that's a good idea as a whole.
Thank you again for the business advice. I donated on free domain let me check I'm sure you did.
[58:40] All right. Yes, I'm glad it was helpful. All right.
Is peaceful parenting possible if, for an extreme example, you're raising a child in Gaza?
By peaceful parenting, are you specifically meaning the relationship between parents and child regardless of external factors?
What?
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
[59:07] I do try not to get weary, but I'll be honest with you. You guys, it's a little wearying. Gaza!
Are you in Gaza right now?
Are you? Is this the same guy? Let me see here.
How do we get there? So you're Mr. Theoretical Paralysis Guy, right? Honestly, you're just the Theoretical Paralysis Guy.
And I say this so that you stop doing this stuff.
[59:43] You are not in Gaza. You are not advising parents in Gaza.
You are in the relatively free West where you can support and advocate for peaceful parenting without throwing theoreticals and the entire conversation down the toilet heading to the ultra-violent, ultra-collectivist, ultra-fundamentalist Middle East.
Why, what do you need an extreme example? Go promote peaceful parenting.
Yes, but on Mars, it's like, we're not on Mars.
You're just raising theoreticals so you don't have to act. And listen, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. You don't have to act.
I'm not saying you have to act, but please stop wasting everyone's time with absurd theoreticals that mean nothing.
[1:00:36] Like we're in an ER, we're doctors in an ER, people come pouring in and you're like, well, suppose there was a Klingon who spread an infectious disease in Gaza.
It's like, you know, we've got people bleeding out right here and you're just whacking off in the corner in your theoreticals. We've got people bleeding out right here.
Every time you paralyze yourself with a theoretical, that's another child who gets hurt in your environment, in your life.
Now, listen, again, you don't have to do a thing. You don't have to do a thing.
But let's not pretend that you're trying to do anything other than paralyze yourself and others.
[1:01:11] Well, what about peaceful parenting on a spaceship when there's cracks in people's helmet and there is a little figure with no arms and two legs roaming around killing people? What about then, huh?
Answer me that. Answer me that theoretical stuff and then maybe I'll think about implementing peaceful parenting or advocating it. Come on. You know people in your own damn life.
You know people in your own damn life.
Who are aggressive parents or putting their kids in indoctrination centers or neglecting their children or putting their kids in daycare way too young or, or, or, you know, all of these people, but Gaza, come on, just tell me, just be honest.
You don't want to talk about peaceful parenting with the people in your life because it's scary.
And I get that it is scary. And I'm not criticizing you for being afraid at all.
You don't have to do anything, but let's not pretend to do something.
That's all. Let's not pretend that you're really interested in peaceful parenting because Gaza. Please.
[1:02:12] Divorce is experienced like a death. It's worse in some ways because you keep paying.
[1:02:25] Steph, did you see the United States Senator Katie Britt give that speech yesterday.
Why did she do it in such a sultry way?
Hello, haven't been doing politics for over three years. No, I don't, I don't care. I don't watch that stuff.
My parents divorced when I was 10, says James. And I remember my father coming to tell us my mother wasn't present.
I can't remember him giving any reasons, but it was really obvious.
They hated each other. Nothing about their choices.
And we kids were just along for the ride. Yeah.
Did you actually put a rock in in your mouth? Sure. I was thirsty.
I mean, I was with my father who was supposed to provide for me and I ended up having to sustain myself and provide for myself and literally suck on my own spit because he wouldn't give me a sip of water.
[1:03:13] It was a powerful scene of Alder dragging his son up the mountain in your book, The God of Atheists. Yes, I think so.
Is it better for a child to not form any bond with their biological parents than to form a bond and then it's broken as a young child?
What are you talking about? Do you think that a child has an option to not form any bond with the biological parents? Do you not?
Have you never raised animals? I mean, do you think it's possible for a child to not bond with biological parents? Parents, kids, don't bond.
I know you're just out of the womb and your instincts are such that the nipple hits here and you turn your head to get it. Don't bond.
It's like, yeah, good luck with that, right? The kids are going to do what the kid's going to do, what they're programmed to do, right?
[1:03:58] So the guy with the Gaza thing says, parenting is very important with regards to the type of adult one becomes.
However, I also believe the wider environment also has a huge impact.
I suppose there is a sanctity in the parent-child relationship which will frame the wider environment too.
Wider environment has a huge impact.
Again, I don't follow. As a parent, I mean, if there are not bombs dropping right around you in the moment, you can control the wider environment.
[1:04:30] Dorbina says, this resonates, my parents are divorced. I remember visiting my father.
He was never excited to see us and just laid around for most of our visits with him.
It felt like we were a bother to him. Later in life, he would try and guilt me into reconnecting with my mother.
The guilt trip never worked because he had no credibility with me.
Yeah, that's really, really sad.
That's really sad.
[1:04:55] Yeah, you just get a lot of lectures from people who couldn't run their own lives.
To Steph, on defensiveness, can you see that in yourself too?
I feel like your response to my question was very defensive as you took it in a way that i did not mean it which is also my fault for a badly worded question i don't think it was defensive i think it was aggressive i don't i don't think it was defensive because you weren't insulting me you weren't attacking me so no i i don't know this going through a very feminine filter honestly which is anytime you annoy someone someone, they're being defensive, right?
I mean, I knew someone when I was growing up who would say pretty horrible things.
You'd get annoyed. You'd be like, oh, I guess I hit a nerve.
You must be very defensive.
Defensive is just one of these words that it's a hierarchy word, right? So you are something I considered foolish.
I pointed out that I considered it foolish. You felt put down, so now you have to raise yourself above me by calling me defensive so that I'm reactive and and you're in the initiating spot, and I wasn't defensive.
I mean, you weren't attacking me or my beliefs. You were just doing things that I felt were foolish and distracting.
All right.
[1:06:14] I suppose America will win the most from Bitcoin.
[1:06:18] You mean the nation state? Or the people? Kind of important.
[1:06:32] No rights.
I mean, if you're a parent and you choose to have, like if you're a person and you choose to have children in Gaza, then peaceful parenting is not really an option because, right? All right.
Imagine if engineers hadn't used Newton's law because it's not quite as exact as the theory of relativity. Yeah, that's right.
That's right. I always hate collectivist arguments and their use of the trolley problem.
Well, I mean, it's a matter of effect, right? So you can't affect the parenting in Gaza, but you can affect the parenting of the people around you.
And people who leap over doing actual good in the lives they can affect in order to talk about theoretical goods in lives they will never be able to affect.
[1:07:23] Like you've got medicine that can cure sick people around you and you're like, but theoretically, if I had a different kind of medicine for a different kind of illness in another dimension, it's like, okay, you don't want to cure the people around you.
Like, I get that, but let's not pretend it's anything other than that.
You don't want to confront the people around you in their aggressive or neglectful parenting.
I get that and I understand that. That's a scary thing to do for a lot of people.
Just be honest. Don't bring up Gaza. Don't pretend that you've got this big theoretical thing going. It's just you don't want to help the children around you.
Or you do, but you won't. And you don't want to face that fact in yourself.
Just self-honesty is the important thing. Right?
Self-honesty is the important thing.
[1:08:05] You could help the people around you by promoting peaceful parenting in the parents in your family circle in your friend circle wherever right you could help the children around you right here right now but gaza it's not about gaza it's about avoiding, the anxiety of helping the children in, the social circle and familial circle that you have, Right So I mean Again And I sympathize with that But let's just be honest Right Let's not pretend That it's anything To do with Gaza Right Nothing to do with Gaza, Unless Unless you've You've fixed all the parenting Between here and Gaza And that's just the next thing Between here and Gaza I've improved all the parenting To the point where Everyone's a peaceful parent Gaza's the next thing Except you haven't So let's not pretend Right.
[1:08:58] I heard your show on self-abuse and liked your thought that one cannot self-abuse.
Earlier in the show, at the 20-minute mark, you used the term self-abuse to describe someone verbally bashing themselves, so I assumed that you were using it in a colloquial way.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. It certainly is harming yourself.
So it is harm to yourself to internalize an abusive parent, but self-abuse is not you abusing yourself.
[1:09:21] It's you appeasing an external abuser by punching yourself. self.
Right? So if you have a verbally abusive parent, but you attack yourself first, their attack will probably be lessened. So but it's not self abuse is not you deciding to attack yourself out of nowhere, right?
[1:09:44] Ah, I was asking about Bitcoin, because we know that incentives explain behavior.
No, it doesn't. It doesn't explain behavior.
People respond to incentives. It doesn't explain behavior.
So power-addicted politicians who approve Bitcoin doesn't align with their usual actions.
I can see your argument that they realize they also need a lifeboat.
Yeah. Why would the rich people want to go from the Titanic to a lifeboat?
That's less comfortable or whatever, right? It's like, Like, well, because it's sinking. The Titanic is sinking.
All right.
[1:10:29] Trichotillomania. What is the cause of trichotillomania? I mean, I don't know, but I did a show.
Maybe if somebody remembers it, I did a show recently, the last couple of months, with a woman whose daughter was suffering from trichotillomania. Yeah.
And we came to some pretty interesting observations about that.
So you can look that up.
I don't know if it's in the keywords, but if anyone remembers the show, it was with a mom whose daughter was pulling all her hair out and we did get to some useful stuff.
Yeah. So the term self abuse is the self and abuse. There's no one else in that equation, right?
Like you ever have this, you had an older brother who was kind of a douche.
You probably had this. Your older brother grabs grabs your hand, makes you, you know, makes you hit yourself and says, why are you hitting yourself? Right?
That's, that's the encapsulation, right?
People's behavior is often incomprehensible until we understand the aggression they're subjected to.
I physically hurt myself a lot to stop getting screamed at. I'm sorry about that.
Yeah. So it's not self-abuse. So you say self-abuse, there's abuse, and then there's the self.
There's just one person, and there's abuse. But that's not how it is.
How it is, is you abuse yourself to appease an external abuser, right?
[1:11:55] It's like saying, why does somebody just keep walking in the same 10 square circle, right?
Well, if they're in the middle of a field, it doesn't make any sense.
If they're in a prison cell, it does, right?
My teenage daughter is attacking herself. Thank you so much, James.
That's free domain show 5400.
Boy, that's some shows. 5400 and 10 books and three documentaries and StephPod AI and peaceful parenting book.
Beauty attracts abusers, if I remember the show, leading to hair-pulling to repel abusers. No, it wasn't that so much.
[1:12:34] Beauty does not attract abusers.
Dysfunction attracts abusers, and self-attack attracts abusers, because that's the problem, right?
You self-attack to survive being externally attacked as a child, and what happens?
Well, as you know, what happens is you end up attracting more abusers who get off on you doing all of that, right?
Thank you for the tick. Can you do the Fandango? I am reading the Rumble comments.
[1:13:10] All right. Is Klaus Schwab left or right? I know you don't do politics per se, but could you make an exception in Klaus Schwab's case?
He is not important. The people attending Wef Forum and Bilderberg are.
Without monetary freedom, there is no freedom.
So it doesn't really matter to me what happens with politics.
What matters to me now is what happens with Bitcoin.
What happens with Bitcoin?
[1:13:49] Can you imagine how black-pilled the world would be without Bitcoin?
It's not a pretty thought. It's not a very pretty thought.
I think, thank you, Mobius, for the tip.
I think your choice to get out of politics has been great, and honestly, your content has been better for it.
I'd still think you should do some truth drive-bys occasionally on Twitter until you get that account banned again. Why?
I'm certainly happy to hear the case, but why? Why?
Why would I put myself at risk to circle back to people who can't go one website over? I mean, this is a genuine question that I have.
I'm willing, absolutely willing to take risks for people I care about. No question.
[1:14:43] When I was deplatformed, my website remained the same.
I just went one website over. Like in terms of where you could get my videos, where you could get my forum, and all of that. Right?
Everybody knows this, right? So I got de-platformed. Then it was in a series, a succession of things. Everyone could see it coming.
And when I first started getting de-platformed, what did I say?
I said, well, you can find me on this platform, this platform, particularly the decentralized platforms.
I said, you can find me here, here, here, freedomain.com. You can still go.
And so I told people the jaws are closing, the net is closing, the de-spawning is going to happen, but I'll be right there.
I'll be right there.
Everybody knows where to find me. I'm easy to find. Easy to find.
Easy to find.
Everybody who wants to be here is here.
[1:15:52] And most people didn't care about what I'm doing enough to go one website over.
Honestly, it's crazy. crazy.
I'd be like, I mean, philosophy is the greatest thing, and this is the greatest show.
I absolutely believe that. I am always striving to improve, always striving to get better.
But reality, philosophy is the greatest thing, and this is the greatest show.
It's the greatest conversation in the history of the world, the greatest conversation there ever will be in the history of the world.
That is my, and whether you believe it or not, that's my goal.
That's That's my intention. That's my plan. That's my execution.
[1:16:35] Hopefully not that way.
So it'd be like if I said the woman of my dreams lives right across the street.
I walk over. I serenade to her. I throw rose petals through her letterbox.
I draw hearts and dioramas and love scenes on the sidewalk.
I call out in barbaric yorps my love for her virtue and hiney and I wake up every morning throw wide my blinds and cast my eyes across my beloved right across the street.
[1:17:20] She's what I live for she's the greatest woman ever I can't wait to wake up my bride and then, And she, you know, sends back letters and poems and likes me too, and there's a real future there, right?
But then what happens is, for reasons outside the scope of this story, she has to move one house over.
She's evicted unjustly, unjustly evicted. She has to move one house over.
And I wake up, and I look at her.
I throw wide my blinds. I look at her house. It's empty.
My heart sinks. My heart drops. I'm horrified and appalled.
And then I hear a voice. Yo, hey, Steph, I'm right here. I'm right here.
And I look. She's one house over.
And I stare at her, a thousand-yard stare.
[1:18:26] She moved one house over. She's dead to me, man. And then I close my grapes and I go on with my life.
That's life. On my side of things, right? On my side of things.
She moved one house over. She's dead to me. Oh, Steph's on a different website. He's dead to me.
So I'm supposed to put literally my life on the line, right?
Bomb threats, death threats. I'm supposed to put my life on the line, but people can't fucking bookmark a new website. sign.
Beautiful. Honestly, beautiful. Because politics wasn't all that much fun.
I much prefer the novels, these live streams, deep philosophy, dream analysis, helping people with call-ins. That's what I like the most.
[1:19:09] And people released me from any sense of obligation to help their asses as the political bear traps close around their ankles, right? Oh, oh, thank you guys.
[1:19:23] Can you imagine? From the woman's standpoint, she's like, oh, this guy loves me. He sends poems to me. He serenades me.
But then when I move one house over, now I'm dead to him and he won't take three extra steps to see me. Well, thank God I found out about that.
Thank God I found out how little I mean to people. Can you imagine?
Making all of that sacrifice, taking on all that danger for people who you go one website over and it's like oh yeah, whatever happened to that guy.
[1:20:02] And so you come over to me and you say, hey, you know, that woman, she's the love of your life.
You're just talking about her all the time. You think she's the greatest woman ever. And you just want to live together and have kids. And oh my gosh. Oh man.
How's that going? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what happened.
I don't know. She just vanished.
But did she tell you she was i mean she's just one house over and she told she she was going to move one house over she told she she was getting unjustly evicted and she's going to move one house over she's like right there it's like three extra steps, and i'm like yeah i don't know what i mean when she moved when i didn't see her directly across my place like when i opened the blinds in the morning and she's waving at me from some other house i'm just like i don't see her in there she's dead to me.
And you're like, you're a little psycho, man. Like, you thought this woman was the greatest thing ever. She moved one house over, and now, she's dead to you? What? Where's your love?
You know, philosophers, philosophers, have been regularly murdered, burned at the stake, driven into exile, poisoned, killed.
[1:21:19] Harassed, bankrupted, throughout history. Philosophers have put on, taken on enormous risks to benefit society as a whole.
We don't ask for the moon. I'm not asking you to shave your head and join me in the compound of fertile women.
I'm just one website over and people are like, well, you know, that's a lot, man.
That's me going with my mouse. Oh man, I gotta like bookmark a whole new thing.
I gotta click that button and set up a notification on some new platform. Oh my God.
I have to, wait, I might even have to create a new account. Oh my God.
It's like the wearying myth of Sisyphus rolling an endless rock uphill. Hill.
I could go three extra steps to get to the woman I love. To hell with her, man.
That's way too much work. Okay, so then you don't love her. I go to the ends of the earth for the woman I love. You won't take three extra steps. Not you.
Obviously, you guys are here, which is great. But just so you understand, right?
Ah.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
[1:22:48] It's just so obvious when the cause was when you point these things out.
What the cause was when you point these things out, it went way back to early childhood and even well into my adulthood, yeah.
Are you inspired by Alfred Adler at all? I am not.
Politics really is boring nowadays. I almost fell asleep watching the State of the Union yesterday.
Yeah, I mean, politics has largely gone beyond reason, so. It's not a place for me anymore, right?
I'm a reason guy, I'm a debate guy, so.
[1:23:18] No, it's not a place for me anymore. No, thanks.
[1:23:26] And it's funny because, you know, I would still see occasionally that, oh yeah, that Molyneux guy, is he still around? Is he still producing content?
Wow, I completely forgot about that guy.
Oh, beautiful.
The service that these indifferent, distracted people gave me, can never be... I almost feel like I can never repay the people who fumbled the bookmark.
You put your life at risk.
I'm not going to bookmark some new place. I mean, come on.
You can only ask so much from me. I might have to create a new account somewhere.
It's going to take me about 30 seconds.
Oh my gosh. Nice, beautiful, beautiful.
Less than 5% of people followed me to new platforms, right?
[1:24:28] Fantastic. So I'm putting my life on the line for people who can't be bothered to go to a new website.
You understand, that's a little, let's just say, that's a tiny bit asymmetric. Right?
Oh, that was me. Sorry. No, don't apologize. Honestly, I am thrilled.
I'm thrilled that that happened. What was more fun, being regularly attacked and threatened, or writing a beautiful book about the future world that we could all aim to live in, my novel called The Future, or my novel called The Present.
What was more fun for me to do all of that stuff, bomb threats, death threats, you know?
Was it more fun to do that, or was it more fun to do this?
[1:25:19] And, you know, if people had followed me, I would have thought about it, or whatever, right? But just for your information, I listened to your podcast on your website for three years before I signed up to Locals.
When you say signed up, I guess you mean to donate. Wow. Three years.
Three years before you donated.
It's a lot of labor you were consuming. It's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears you were consuming.
Well, I'm sure you tipped the barista at Starbucks. So that's important, because they're delivering you cream and caffeine and ill health.
But I'm glad you're here. So yes, it is fantastic.
Because the girl who thinks that I'm obsessed with her and will do anything for her, and then she moves one house over and I completely ignore her, those people, those people, um...
[1:26:16] I mean, she's liberated from imagining that we have a future, right? I don't drink Starbucks. You also don't take analogies, apparently.
All right. I remember you talking to a guy who would go and binge eat like he was possessed.
I had a similar experience with my wife when she was picking at her fingers. She can pick them raw.
I asked her why she was picking, and she responded that she was just rubbing a dry spot.
Day after, I asked again, and she was very apologetic and said she didn't even realize that she told me that excuse.
How do you find the possessor? i don't understand that question sorry.
[1:26:50] I think the first time i donated was in response to one of those special request emails reminding me of the importance of the show really, i mean again i appreciate the support and i i say this out of care for your soul not my income come but do you not get the value of not having commercials or commercial breaks or sponsors or things like that do you not that was like 12 years ago yeah i mean maybe you hadn't been listening for long but i mean you know that there's a lot of podcasts where it's like 10 15 20 percent of it it as ads, right?
Right? So let's say, let's say, you listen to 100 shows of two hours each, right? You got 200 hours.
Let's say I did 15%, right?
200 times 0.15. So that's 30 hours, right?
That's 30 hours. I saved you 30 hours of ad time.
[1:28:01] 100 shows, 2 hours each. 15% of the shows are ads.
Let's say it's only 10%. I saved you 20 hours of ads.
What's that worth to you? It's just 100 shows. What is it worth to you to have, 20 hours of ads not interrupting some deep and powerful expose and unraveling of the human soul? To not have.
Hey, you know what would be great? If you could buy X, Y, and Z.
But now a word from our sponsor. answer.
And listen, I really, really appreciate the support. I really, really appreciate the support. So I'm not trying to diminish that at all.
I'm just saying for those of you as a whole, if I put ads in, boy, boy, if I put ads in, people would be like, oh God, this is unbearable. And it would be.
And there's nothing wrong with ads. It's a fine business model.
It's just not not suitable for this, right?
[1:28:58] And thank you, my guardian angel, for your support. It really does mean the world to me and I really do appreciate that.
And this is really just an object lesson for others, not for you, which is like, you're getting all of this without ads.
So if you're not paying, like I'm saving you dozens and maybe even hundreds of hours of your life, right? What's that worth?
I don't like sitting through ads.
[1:29:26] Are you concerned that people listen to you because they want to be triggered as a form of self-attacking caused by a verbally abusive childhood sorry for the multiple questions in a row isn't that just concern trolling are you concerned like i just i don't know what you mean i can i tell the truth as as as honestly as i can as directly as i can as entertainingly and engagingly as I can in as comprehensible a fashion as I can, I tell the truth.
But some people might not be consuming you in good faith.
It's like, I can't control that. I can control the degree of commitment I have to telling the truth.
After that, it's out of my hands. So what you're trying to do is you're trying to get me to jump outside of my body and condition my commitment to the truth based on how people might or might not be consuming my material.
[1:30:25] I don't know, maybe people have a vague fetish for vague British noises and are whacking off to my podcast. I can't control that.
I can control not being as sexually suggestive as possible with the head that I have. That's about it. I can keep my shirt on.
So am I concerned how people react to me telling the truth?
I don't know what that would mean. Are you saying that because people might react in a way that I don't expect, I should not tell the truth? I should lie?
I'm not sure. Again, I don't. Can my human body ever be abusive to me from a body defect? I don't know what that means.
I wonder why people say curiosity killed the cat. Oh, because they have a bad conscience and they don't want to be asked questions.
That's why.
And I always heard the response, curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back.
I found Freedom Man on YouTube back in the day. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:31:29] I never understand why Peterson and some other podcasters, who I don't listen to anyways, do constant ads. What do you mean you don't understand?
Don't they have enough money?
Oh, so if, like, according to your theory, because Elon Musk has a lot of money, you can steal a Tesla? Is that the...
[1:31:56] Is that the theory? Like you can steal from people who are wealthy because they have enough money? So you're like a socialist? I don't...
All right.
And so, okay. What always gets me is Peter Schiff taking a break from trash-talking Bitcoin and praising gold to having an ad for his own gold company.
You saved my life, Steph. When I started listening, I was in need of an example of honesty and logical arguments.
You provided that to me. Thank you. Thank you again. And once again, thank you for your wonderfully kind support.
[1:32:28] Uh, Hey, keep shilling the donations. I hate that word shilling.
I know you're cause it sounds like it's one of these mnemonic words.
It sounds like shrill shilling the donations.
I'm asking for a reasonable exchange of value.
I'm not shilling the donations. See, I'm just asking for a reasonable exchange of value.
I'm saving you countless hours of your life by not having ads.
[1:32:50] Ads i'm also enhancing the philosophy you can consume because ads would be interrupting the flow of the argument and can you imagine someone's weeping about their child abuse and then in comes an ad for a vpn company that goes on for a minute or two and then you come back and you know you've lost the thread and what was going on and right this keeps it constant all right um so it's not chilling it took me a very long time to move to sign up i don't pay anything as far as netflix or streaming you're the first person i've ever donated to online well thank you i appreciate that, been my first introduction was the story of your enslavement yeah and of course they had to make that well first of all they made that adults only so it couldn't be shown up in suggestions because it was too effective and then they just banned the whole channel.
[1:33:34] Been watching videos of a christian fellow doing street debates with muslims in the uk so annoying when the ads destroy the flow of the video yeah it's terrible i mean honestly can you you imagine Socrates in the middle of examining the nature of the soul or the properties of love or the fundamentals of justice?
Whoa, hang on. There's a great falafel place that I just need to pitch for for a second here. They got the best falafels. The chickpeas are fried to perfection.
The pita wraps are incredible. The sauce is divine.
You know, it keeps my little tum-tum going and allows me to fuel falafel.
He just went on and on like that for a minute or two. And it's like, okay, so let's get back to the nature of truth and justice.
Again, nothing wrong with ads as a whole, but not here, not here, not here.
Honestly, it would be like, for me, it would be like being in the middle of an orchestral piece.
They ask everyone to pause right in the middle of Mozart's Requiem. Everyone pause.
We got to sell some linoleum here.
[1:34:40] It's the principle of non-initiation force fundamental to your moral framework.
Assuming it is, how do you integrate the concept of nature initiating force on humanity into your theory?
So I think this is the fourth or fifth really big, deep, and important question that you've asked.
I appreciate the five bucks, but I think I've already earned it.
All right. Let's see here.
[1:35:08] Uh, Peterson wasn't a good example. I really was thinking of Huberman.
Huberman, the whole podcast is about health, but he has tons of ads for supplements.
I don't know who Huberman is, but I, I will accept that.
[1:35:27] I think the ads have a brainwashing effect because they overtake the attention you volunteered.
Yeah. Well, imagine also, I'm in some big debate or something.
And a lot of the call-in shows are through debates with missing parents.
[1:35:37] Thank you for the tip, iWatch locals. I got introduced to you around the time of the Kathy Newman, Jordan Peterson interview, and somehow you got mixed into the algorithm mix at that time.
Speaking of that, I'd love to see you be interviewed by Kathy Newman.
I'd bring popcorn and a giant big gulp of root beer to see that.
Oh, that's funny. I don't know if she learned that much.
But, you know, again, I've learned some stuff from Jordan Peterson.
I have no hate for the man, but man, he is obscure at times.
Man, he is obscure at times.
We who wrestle with God.
I don't know. It's just, I did store a bookmark.
I'd be really surprised if I could find it now, because you can't search your own bookmarks on X.
But I did store something that Jordan Peterson said, and it's like he wrote, and it's like, I read it like five times. I don't know what he's saying.
Sam Harris blathering on about a lack of free will while blaming Trump for tsunamis in the Middle Ages. Pretty funny.
[1:36:56] All right yeah what was that there was a guy who was on joe rogan now last month joe this is from keith woods last month joe rogan had a prison reform activist sheldon johnson on to discuss the unfairness of the u.s justice system and uh the guy was just recently found with with um, so that johnson was just out of just out after serving a 25-year jail sentence he explained how how unfair it was that he was sent to prison for as long as he was, and Joe Rogan agreed that Johnson's story reflects a huge problem of racism in the justice system.
Today, Johnson was arrested after police found a severed head and a limbless torso in his apartment.
The victim's neighbors reported hearing, please don't, I have a family, before hearing two gunshots.
The police found the victim's decapitated head in Johnson's freezer and the limbless torso in a blue bin in his apartment.
Maybe the problem here isn't systemic racism. racism.
[1:37:52] So I wonder if that one's going to stay up because my Jordan Peterson, sorry, my Joe Rogan shows were all taken off, right?
What was it I saw Snoop Dogg was saying that he got a billion views on Spotify and they paid him $45,000 for that?
A billion, not a million, a billion views, a billion views.
Also, there's a study that came out not too long ago that that adolescents, especially female adolescents, are happier in poorer nations than wealthier nations. Isn't that interesting?
I think that's very, very interesting for reasons that are fascinating and deep and maybe we'll get into them some other time.
[1:38:36] All right, let me see if there was... I don't think I'll be able to find this.
[1:38:43] Yeah, I'm probably going to not... probably not not going to find it but I'll see if I can dig it up for the next show, Steph ever listened to Owen Benjamin I did a show with him some years ago and we were together in a night for freedom I think in 2018 something like that, Fox Day wrote a book criticizing Peterson for his baffled garble called Jordanetics yes I read some of that.
[1:39:11] Alright right.
Sorry if you're an enslavement and greatest gift in the universe for the first videos I watched a few hours. Oh nice.
I don't listen to Owen Benjamin. Honestly, I have very little time to consume other people's content. Just kind of busy.
Agreed. You earned it already. But no answer to my question.
I asked because I'm curious as to how the nature of reality and the facts that one needing to feed and shelter oneself acts as a coercive force in an ideal free market world.
Sorry? So you say I've already provided enough value, but then you ask for more value.
I don't quite understand. I don't quite understand. Animals are not covered by the non-aggression principle because it's a moral principle, right?
It's a moral principle and creatures have to have the ability.
If you'd listened, I don't know if you were here from the beginning, but earlier I talked about an adult with the brain of a one-year-old baby, and this person would not be able to process morality because they would not have the conceptual ability to compare proposed actions to ideal standards, and therefore morality would not apply to him. Neither would liberty.
[1:40:21] So animals are not covered by philosophy and and morality because animals cannot compare proposed actions to ideal standards and therefore they are not capable of moral reasoning so, they don't have language they don't have morality they don't have any of that so it doesn't mean we can treat animals wantonly cruelly of course but yeah, if you receive value return value i donate to local churches and food banks because they help the local community and i've utilized their services before i've donated to the calm parenting podcast because they help put peaceful parenting into practice i donate to staff because he saved my soul my soul my marriage and my five kids the value of your wisdom is absolutely immeasurable it will literally last forever thank you i really really appreciate that that's very very kind and uh it really does mean the world to me that that what we're doing here because this is a collective show the live streams what we're doing here is is doing such good in the world and i'm I'm very humbled and immensely appreciative of what you're saying. So thank you.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, this is the greatest thing in the world.
If there was a greater thing in the world, I'd be doing that.
I mean, if it was somebody else was doing a better show, I'd be doing that.
So for me, this is the greatest thing in the world. And I really, I do appreciate your support in this way. It's great.
All right. I think...
[1:41:39] Um, now listen, if, if you don't have a lot of money, uh, you don't, you don't have to donate, right?
You don't, you don't have to donate.
You can donate by spreading the show around.
If that's too controversial, I understand this, you know, a smidge or two of controversy.
You could just spread the ideas and just spread the ideas.
Just push back when people say there's no such thing as truth or no such thing as reason or no such thing as objectivity.
[1:42:04] Really just just push use the arguments for my show don't reference me that's totally fine, just do something to promote philosophy in the world that's all that's all i'm asking right and and if you don't have a lot of money that's totally fine please don't donate if you're broke please don't donate if you're broke but you can do a lot to spread philosophy in the world, i hope the peaceful parenting book will feature heaps of practical advice and scenarios too you uh yeah it has um pretend dialogues in it as well which i also put in philis in in um essential philosophy essentialphilosophy.com.
[1:42:41] Just wait i'm working hard that's fantastic yeah it's great yeah it is not at all required that it's monetary at all right just just so you understand right if you if you don't have much money that's totally fine enjoy the show if you are not in a position where you can spread read philosophy and you don't have a lot of money, don't donate, enjoy the show, feel nothing bad, but just make the commitment I would advise or ask at some point.
At some point, do something to promote philosophy. Dave says...
Also, perhaps try and stop a parent abusing their child in public.
Should I be upset with myself and not intervening? You've got to trust your gut on that one, and I don't know the answer to that one.
There are times when I've intervened. There are times when I haven't, because you don't want to intervene and then have the child get even more beaten.
But again, if the child gets more beaten, look what you made someone do.
You were embarrassing me so much that the child could get increasingly aggressed against.
But then again, what is it worth for the child that someone stood up and said, what your parent is doing is wrong? I don't know. I don't know.
[1:43:52] Mobius says, currently I'm best a little every week in silver brass and molyneux books.
Molyneux books. What was it? I had a literature teacher who liked my writing and said, because you have a silent X, we can't call it molyneuvian.
We'd have to call your writing the quality of your writing Stephan-esque.
I thought it was very cool. Stephan-esque.
[1:44:13] Which is like Stephan-esque choir. i encountered that on wednesday and didn't intervene yeah it's it's a tough call it's a tough call my gut is is says something like if i think that the parent has potential and they're having a really bad day then i will intervene if i think the parent is just chronically psycho i may not so i really have to just trust my gut with that and i would suggest that you do the same just trust your gut and there's an amazing amount of information that's down there in the the unconscious and it's really powerful stuff so all right any last questions comments issues challenges problems don't give me your problems that's that's a great song uh he knows you know by marillion.
[1:45:01] I told a stranger mother to stop shouting at her child at a coffee shop and started treating her child nicer.
I mean, the abusers don't end up happy having abused. They don't end up as happy people.
I've now seen the big view of life, right? I've seen the start, the beginning, the end, the sigma, the alpha, the omega, the zeta.
I've seen the whole arc of people's lives and child abusers end up absolutely miserable.
Why do you think Warren Buffett says Bitcoin is trash and you wouldn't pay $25 for all the Bitcoin in the world.
What do you mean? You're asking me to read Warren Buffett's mind?
I don't know why the hell he would say such a thing.
I don't know about Warren Buffett, but I will say this. This I will say. This I will say.
[1:45:46] The people who missed the Bitcoin train, you know there's just doubling down, right?
People who missed the Bitcoin train. What is he going to say?
Because Warren Buffett has the reputation, the Oracle of Omaha, right?
He has the reputation of being one of the greatest investors in the history of the planet, well, he's going to lose that reputation if he's like, oh yeah, well now Bitcoin is $92,000 and it used to be like a penny, uh, and it's been the fastest wealth accumulation in all of human history, totally missed it, right?
So because he's not invested in Bitcoin, again, I can't read his mind, but I can talk about the cause and effect from an economic standpoint.
So anybody who's not invested in Bitcoin has an incentive to trash Bitcoin, right?
Right. So, um, you know, not to talk about Warren Buffett, cause I don't know the guy from Adam really, but let's talk about a guy named Adam who runs a bunch of hedge funds and they haven't invested in Bitcoin.
And they, they've said that Bitcoin is a scam.
Bitcoin is, and they've been very confident about it. Very certain.
They haven't said, you know, it's new technology.
I'm kind of an old fart. I'm old school. I don't really get it.
And I don't have enough young people working for me to understand it.
So I'm not really going to talk about it cause I don't know much about it. Right.
[1:46:57] Is it too late to invest in Bitcoin? Joe, don't ask anyone that question.
Don't ask anyone that question.
You have to make your own decisions in these matters. You have to make your own decisions in these matters.
[1:47:12] So, yeah, so there's some guy, he's got a bunch of his clients, his wealthy clients, they're all invested in stuff that isn't Bitcoin.
Let's say Bitcoin goes to the moon. You know, I've said this for like, I don't know, forever and ever.
Our men uh that uh you know i've got in my mind that's not advice it's just my own particular thoughts don't do anything based upon what i'm saying because it's just pulled out of my ass but uh i've always said you know i view 750k a bitcoin is a reasonable thing um.
[1:47:45] But if you've missed the boat on bitcoin let's say bitcoin does turn out to be a massive store of value and one of the greatest the greatest asset ever to be invented by human beings because because gold wasn't invented, but discovered.
The greatest asset ever invented by human beings.
What are you going to say to your clients if you're wrong? Are you going to say, now I was totally wrong about Bitcoin, and now that it's gone up a zillion fold, they were right and I was wrong? What are you going to do?
What are you going to say?
So you've warned people away from Bitcoin for 15 years.
You've warned people away from Bitcoin. It's a scam. It's a nothing.
It's a this, it's that. that. And the evidence keeps accumulating to the opposite, right?
Keeps gaining in value. There's ETFs, there's reasonable investors, there's intelligent people doing it.
You can buy stuff directly with it. There's a lightning network, like the whole infrastructure is being built up around it.
And in the meantime, Fiat is the Titanic sliding off a cliff on the back of the fucking Hindenburg.
[1:48:43] And what are you going to do? Are you going to say, yeah, no, sorry.
Uh, I ended up, I was, I'm not talking about Warren Buffett cause I don't know the guy, but you know, some guy, what's he going to do?
Is he going to say, oh, um, yeah, it turned out. I didn't really didn't understand Bitcoin.
I just trashed it cause I wanted to sell you my mutual funds.
[1:49:02] Yeah i just you know i didn't really get it i didn't really understand it and uh other people and and this i i wanted to sell you what i what i knew i didn't want to learn about stuff i didn't really understand that's a lot of work man i just want to sell you what i know.
[1:49:25] Steph do you have some show where you made the case for the 750k bitcoin no because i said it's It's out of my ass.
It's not a real number. It's purely theoretical based upon a wild ayahuasca-fueled fever dream.
So, I mean, I've gone through scenarios in the show where other people have calculated how you get to a million dollars of Bitcoin.
And it's not actually that hard at all. It's not that hard.
So, I don't really follow other cryptos. I don't really follow other cryptos, you need a store of value that's recognized as value and that's bitcoin at the moment for the most part right I mean and you also need something that's been stress tested and has real world applications and that is, bitcoin so there is a great deal of value in being the first through the gate it's like you know you build the train tracks everything has to be has to have that gate right.
[1:50:32] I'm sorry, people are typing, so I just want to make sure if there are any last questions or comments or issues.
Thank you guys so much for dropping by tonight. What a great deal of pleasure it is.
Let's see here. I just want to make sure. Sorry. Oh, the phone died.
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Jordan Peterson cries too often to be taken seriously.
I will do my best to not get addicted to drugs. What do you think?
Reasonable, reasonable hope and goal.
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