0:02 - Welcome to Friday Night Live
2:06 - Philosophy and Personal Conversations
3:12 - Navigating Sensitive Topics
4:58 - Exploring Emotional Roots
5:46 - Questions of Morality
6:48 - Implicit Contracts and Consequences
9:10 - Understanding Legal Ramifications
11:15 - The Nature of Sanctions
12:42 - Shifting Perspectives on Punishment
13:51 - The Cost of Truth in Society
15:34 - The Role of Society in Harm
17:21 - Personal Experiences and Reactions
18:36 - The Impact of Rumors and Lies
20:08 - Addressing Controversial Topics
23:44 - The Evolution of Gender Discussions
25:44 - The Journey of Content Creation
27:54 - Lessons from Personal Stories
30:29 - Reflections on Deplatforming
33:39 - The Nature of Controversial Opinions
38:52 - The Reality of Audience Engagement
40:22 - The Fight for Truth and Commitment
45:47 - The Discussion of Gender Differences
49:10 - The Role of IQ in Society
52:11 - The Intersection of Experience and Statistics
55:15 - Navigating Academic Freedom
1:01:53 - Conversations on Public Platforms
1:03:02 - Joe Rogan's Ambush
1:03:07 - The Trap Door from Hell
1:04:19 - The Nature of Controversy
1:05:08 - A Tour of Accents
1:05:42 - YouTube and De-Platforming
1:08:09 - The Callers' Roundtable
1:09:12 - Philosophy of the Blank Slate
1:11:04 - Validity of the Blank Slate
1:15:01 - The Pareto Principle
1:20:10 - Envy and Economic Disparities
1:22:42 - The Blank Slate Theory
1:25:50 - Women and Power Dynamics
1:30:52 - Understanding Fascism
1:34:38 - Balancing Empathy and Meritocracy
1:36:30 - The Pendulum of Political Power
1:39:46 - Building Community Connections
1:49:07 - Life's Long Journey
1:52:58 - The Importance of Apologies
2:05:32 - Closing Thoughts and Farewell
The show features Stefan Molyneux, a philosopher and commentator, engaging in a highly interactive call-in format with listeners. The episode opens with Molyneux welcoming callers to discuss various philosophical topics, emphasizing his willingness to explore how philosophy can address personal and societal issues. He introduces himself, providing his name's spelling and a brief glimpse into his background, indicating a mix of Polish and French heritage.
Among the discussions, a notable conversation arises with a caller named Dennis, who presents his concerns regarding Molyneux's previous comments about a 17-year-old boy sharing explicit images of a girlfriend. This leads to a heated debate about the ethical implications of age, consent, and the consequences of sharing such images. Molyneux clarifies his stance, arguing the nuances of consent and implicit contracts when sharing explicit content, defending the idea that such actions carry significant ethical weight. Dennis challenges him, insisting that a simple answer should suffice, which sparks a back-and-forth over moral responsibility and the nature of consent. The debate delves deeply into perceptions of sexuality and the consequences of actions, demonstrating the tension between personal beliefs and societal standards.
Following this intense discussion, the mood shifts when a new caller named Pearl joins. Their conversation focuses on personal journeys in the face of adversity, the role of the internet as a platform for discussion, and the creative endeavors that arise from individual experiences. Molyneux offers insights into the evolution of his career as a commentator, sharing how he transitioned from grand discussions to focusing on more intimate dialogues with everyday people.
The show's tone once again becomes reflective as Molyneux speaks candidly about his experiences with social media and the challenges of navigating a world that has shifted dramatically in terms of expression and censorship. He explains his return to Twitter, emphasizing the recent commitment to free speech expressed by Elon Musk's leadership and how it aligns with his values. Molyneux contrasts his past experiences with censorship and the political landscape, arguing for the importance of philosophical discourse in all areas of life.
Throughout the episode, the themes of community, companionship, and personal growth reoccur. Molyneux speaks to another caller about the importance of building lasting connections, particularly as individuals age and face health challenges. This leads to a broader reflection on the societal trends of individualism and how fostering connections and communities can bring meaningful purpose and resilience.
The episode culminates in an examination of the nature of power dynamics in society—specifically, how the interplay between feminine empathy and masculine meritocracy often leads to extreme political ideologies. Molyneux articulates his belief that balancing these forces is essential to avoid societal collapse, with a focus on moderation rather than extreme measures from either end of the political spectrum.
Overall, the episode is characterized by passionate debate, personal reflections, and philosophical explorations of contemporary issues, underscoring Molyneux's commitment to fostering dialogue on complex subjects within society. The conversations flow between heavy ethical dilemmas, personal anecdotes, and social commentary, showcasing the diverse perspectives of the listeners.
[0:00] Well, good evening. Welcome to your Friday Night Live, everybody.
[0:02] Thank you so much for joining. It is Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain at freedomain.com. Also on X at Stefan Molyneux. Should I spell it? Okay, I'll spell it if you insist. S-T-E-F-A-N-M-O-L-Y-N-E-U-X. Polish first name and French last name. So I get invaded and surrender. What can I tell you? That's that's the um bipartisan nature of my lineage also i was born in ireland so we stay out of war southern ireland at least because we have that choice so i hope you're having a wonderful evening it is very pleasant and wonderful to chat with you tonight and this is the time for your conversation this is the time for you to inquire of me how philosophy can help you tonight So the way that you do that is you just say, hey, Stef, I would like to talk and we can yap to your heart's content and we can find out how philosophy best serves you, the fine, lovely listener as a whole.
[1:11] So I'm still I have these I found these old headphones in a drawer kind of by accident. So I'm using these because the audio is not ideal. And because you can only run these things off a phone, and I don't have any Bluetooth headsets, this is sort of the best that I can do for audio, but there we go. So I'm happy to take your questions. If there's things that we can do with regards to philosophy, that would be delightful and delovely.
[1:43] And let's see here. Loud and clear, that's good. And let me just figure out and remember exactly how to get people I think if you raise your sorry my phone is sideways and I guess like most people, Ah, yes. Okay, got it, got it. So we have a request from Dennis.
[2:06] Dennis, if you want to unmute, I'm all ears. How can philosophy help you, my friend?
[2:12] Hello, Mr. Molyneux. Hi, I'm a huge fan, long-time listener, first-time caller. I'm from Toronto as well. I was living in the Don Mills area not long ago. I tried to explore those areas you mentioned, the old mall and the path by the river. That used to be my running route. Anyways, I recommend you to everyone. I mostly love you, but there's a few serious issues I have with you. And just to pick on one of them, I remember on one of your call-ins, you kind of carelessly said that a 17-year-old boy should get jailed, For example, sharing leaks of his ex-girlfriend. And would you say that's a mistake, a careless thing you said?
[3:00] Without context, if you don't have quotes, I'm not sure what the circumstances were. I'm not sure what the context was. I'm certainly happy to talk about it further, but do you remember any of the details of the conversation?
[3:13] Unfortunately not, but you tend to have this position in general. So if I were to ask you right now, if a...
[3:18] Sorry, hang on, hang on. Hang on. What is the position I have in general?
[3:22] You're super sensitive to anything to do with early sexuality, and you would always take like...
[3:28] Okay, so hang on. Hang on. So you've gone from a specific complaint to a general accusation to now an emotional... Motivation like i'm super sensitive.
[3:41] Yeah early sexuality so i'm sure this is a deep rabbit hole which has a deep emotional roots for for both of us probably but including you you get very emotional when this topic comes up um which is fine why
[3:53] Are you why are you why are you bringing up my emotions when we're trying to have a discussion about philosophy i mean that's that's that's a poison.
[4:00] Well i mean one of the reasons why i love this show is because we go into the emotional roots of things but i'm i'm fine with sticking to the philosophy so if i were to ask No,
[4:09] No, hang on, hang on. So going into the emotional roots of things is asking questions to people about their thoughts, their histories, their feelings, their childhoods, or whatever. It's not jumping into a conversation, assuming an irrational emotional oversensitivity on the part of another. That's kind of being...
[4:27] Well, I've been following you for over a decade. I'm familiar with your views on this.
[4:31] Good. Then you should absolutely know what you're doing When it comes to reasoning with people, the reason I'm being harsh is you have no excuse. You've been following me for a long time. So coming up and saying, oh, Stef, you're just so super sensitive and irrational about this topic, when you can't even remember the details of the criticism, is being a troll.
[4:50] No, I'm not trolling. I'm sincerely trying to help. This is not concern trolling. I'm seriously trying to correct you here. I could be wrong.
[4:59] So, for example, let's stick to the philosophy. Would you say that a 17-year-old should be jailed for sharing leaks of his girlfriend?
[5:07] How old is the girlfriend?
[5:08] Let's say 16.
[5:11] I think that sharing a child's nude pictures on the internet is a huge problem. If the person is 17, then the person would be tried, I assume, as a child and therefore would not go to an adult jail, but would receive some kind of correction because sharing sexually explicit images of a child to the general population is really, really bad.
[5:33] So you'll notice that you didn't answer the question and you're kind of...
[5:38] Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on. Okay, are we just going to fight? Is that your goal? Because you're really being a result.
[5:44] I wish you would just have said no, he should not go to jail.
[5:46] That's the simple answer.
[5:49] I did say no, he should not go to jail. No, you did not say that. If you listened carefully, I said he would not be tried as an adult so jail would be inappropriate. But he should go to some, he would have some sort of correction.
[5:58] That's a NAP violation. That's a NAP violation. He shouldn't be forced to do anything against his will. He did nothing wrong, according to the UPB. I mean, we're begging the question, I suppose, did he do anything wrong? Yeah, he did something wrong. A UPB violation, however.
[6:17] He did something wrong, sure.
[6:18] So what was the UPB violation that he did by sharing a picture?
[6:23] Well, because a child cannot consent. Well, there's two things that he did wrong. Number one, he shared sexually explicit images of a child who cannot consent. Therefore, he did something against consent. That's number one. And number two, we assume that he violated an implicit contract in that if you send sexually explicit images to someone, you assume that that person is not going to share them. That's an implicit contract.
[6:48] In other words, if somebody takes a picture of you or you send a picture of yourself in a sexual way to someone, that is sent with the assumption that the person is not going to share it. If i tell you uh something really really important in confidence and then you go and tell it to everyone and it has significant negative impacts then yeah that would be something that would be sanctionable so on two levels he's sharing explicit pictures from somebody who cannot consent in the abstract and someone who did not consent in the specific in that the implied contract of sex sending sexually explicit pictures is that they're not shared with the internet i mean first so it's a it's a it's a break in front first.
[7:27] Of all they're his pictures and they're up to you can make the argument that they're his pictures, it's his property. And second of all, I mean, the implied contract idea, like what exactly was the contract that if he shares them, he's going to get physically punished? I don't think he ever would have agreed to that. I think it's more of a softer thing. Like it's aesthetically unpreferred behavior, but nothing that rises to the label of something that can be physically punished. I don't think that's part of the implied contract, actually.
[7:57] But you're just stating an opinion. I'm stating reason. You're just saying, I don't think so. That's not an argument. And you should know how to make an argument. If you listen to me, as you claim for 10 years, you should know how to formulate a damn argument.
[8:08] The question is, what do you think the implied contract was if he broke it? What do you think the clause would have been implicitly if he had...
[8:14] I'm sorry, I'm not sure. I already explained that. Were you not listening?
[8:18] You didn't specify what the punishment should be.
[8:21] I absolutely did.
[8:22] No, you just said there is an implied contract, which I agree with, but the devil's in the details. Like, what specifically do you think the contract implies? I think in most people's opinions, you should not go to jail for sharing pictures.
[8:36] Hang on. Do you not remember what it is? We can't have a debate if you don't listen.
[8:39] You do not specify what the punishment should be.
[8:43] Okay, now you're moving the goalpost. First of all, you said, I need to.
[8:46] Specify what the implied contract was. No, the goalpost was jail.
[8:48] Which, hang on. Okay, we can't both talk at the same time. Can we agree on that? Yeah. Okay. So first you asked me, what was the implied contract? And I said, I already explained that. And now you're saying, I have to give you the specific punishment, which I said I can't do, because in a free society, I don't know how it would be handled. So I'm not sure you're listening. I think you're here to troll.
[9:11] But if you want to make another point, you can.
[9:12] My opening question was whether he should go to jail. I did not move the goalpost. And you did not answer yes or no. And then you vaguely said it's implied that he should maybe go to jail. You didn't specify anything. My original goalpost was jail. Right. So I did not move the goalpost.
[9:29] What did I say about that? Well, hang on. I'm just curious.
[9:32] You didn't answer. You didn't answer. You said you should go to juvenile jail.
[9:36] I didn't say he should go. He should face some kind of sanction as a minor. I don't know exactly what that would be, certainly not in a free society. But yeah, he should face some kind of sanction because he shared explicit pictures of a child against her consent.
[9:49] First of all, it's not up to her to give consent, in my opinion. It's his picture. She gave it to him.
[9:55] Um yes she gave it to him with the implied contract that he would not share it because if he had said to her if you sent if he'd been honest right if he had said to her if you share me these explicit pictures i will put them out there on the internet for everyone to see she would not have shared them in the same way if you go into a restaurant and you say i am not going to pay for my meal they will not serve you the implied contract is you order the meal and you're going to pay for it at the end. That's the implied contract. If you get into a cab and you say, I am not going to pay, I'm just going to open the door and run away, the cab driver will not take you. So there are implied contracts all over the place, all the time in society. You don't sign a contract in a movie theater to say you're not going to shine flashlights around, set off fireworks and scream at the top of your lungs. But if you do, they'll kick you out. So there are implied contracts everywhere, all the time in society do you of course.
[10:48] Yes again the question is
[10:50] Okay so do you admit that if you hang on hang on hang on do you admit that if someone sends sexually explicit pictures to someone else which is unwise in general but this is a 16 year old kid so whatever she doesn't know what she's doing in that way so if you send sexually explicit pictures to someone is there an implied contract that they will not share it on the internet or with others i.
[11:16] Mean i want to say i'll say yeah yeah sure i'll go with you here i'll look to be difficult i
[11:22] So then he broke an implicit contract and he's subject to sanctions but.
[11:26] Again what sanction i i initially asked you whether he should be jailed and you didn't say no
[11:33] Okay, what did I say?
[11:34] He'll be tried as a juvenile, whatever that means. That doesn't mean much to me. Juveniles can go to jail as well.
[11:39] Well, I'm sorry you don't understand how courts and the law work, but that's scarcely helpful.
[11:44] He should not be forced to go into a courtroom.
[11:48] He broke a contract.
[11:49] Yeah, so he should be shamed. Perhaps he should be shamed.
[11:51] Okay, hang on, bro, bro, bro. You got to let me talk, okay? It is supposed to be my show. Try not to be too rude. So if you break an implicit contract, you can be hauled into a court. Of course you can. If you don't pay for your meal, you can be hauled into a... Okay, but... Okay. When you go to fill up... Okay, still talking. When you go to fill up your gas at a gas station, you don't sign a contract ahead of time. There's an implicit contract you're going to pay for your gas. If you pump and dump, if you just bolt off, then yeah, you can be tracked down from your license plate and you can be hauled into court. So yeah, the breaking of implicit contracts can absolutely get you hauled into court.
[12:26] So you're just passing the can down the road. And then the question is, what punishment do you think the court can be justified in imposing on him? Okay, so fine. I'll agree with that. He can go to a court, but then what punishment do you think is fitting for sharing a picture?
[12:38] Okay, so you came on very hard. I just want to give people the lay of the land at the moment.
[12:43] So this fine young gentleman, who I think has a bad conscience, although that we don't know for sure, and I don't want to overanalyze. But this fine gentleman came in very hard, saying I was over-emotional. I think I'm giving rational arguments. He said that the young man should face no sanctions.
[13:00] I did not say that.
[13:01] And I said, you said, sorry, you said that young men should face sanctions.
[13:06] The question is, what sanctions? I'm okay with shaming. I'm okay with ostracism, but not jail.
[13:14] Sanctions generally means something legal.
[13:16] Yeah. So you can be, I don't know.
[13:19] I mean, if you sanction a country or a product, generally that means something legal. But anyway, we don't want to get hung up on that.
[13:27] My only question is about jail.
[13:28] Okay, so you accept implicit contracts, you accept that the girl was underage, you accept that she did not say that she allowed the man to, or the young man, to spread her image, and you accept that there are sanctions for violations of implicit contracts.
[13:46] What does sanctions mean?
[13:47] All we are at the moment is haggling over what the punishments could.
[13:51] Or should be. You casually said he should be jailed. I mean, that's a serious punishment for sharing an image. I mean, you can't jail.
[14:06] It's not sharing an image. The fact that it is sharing against the person's capacity to even approve of it. It is sharing sexually explicit material of a child, my friend. It is not sharing an image.
[14:23] Yes, it is an image. I mean yeah okay does
[14:29] It not trouble you hang on does it not trouble you at all that a child's sexually explicit image is shared against your will does.
[14:38] That trouble you at all i'm a i'm a free speech absolutist um i'm a nudist perhaps i'm okay with nudism we're different on this i don't expect you to become a nudist but and and you're appealing to emotion This
[14:52] Is not a question of nudism. Don't hedge and don't pull this bullshit. Okay? This is not a question of nudism. If adults want to share their sexually explicit images, go for it. I don't care. As long as they're not violating implicit contracts. If somebody sends a nude picture to someone else and says, by all means, go share it on the internet, I think that's stupid. I think it's unwise. But that's their choice. We're talking about a child. Not about it. Not an adult.
[15:20] What's the difference between sharing a picture of a child or an adult? So, again.
[15:24] A child cannot consent. To what? To the sharing of sexual imagery.
[15:30] Again, what is the harm that's being done here?
[15:35] Who's the victim? How is he victimized? Sometimes you would say that the problem is actually the way society handles it, like the way people react.
[15:43] Okay. Okay, let's try it this way. What if it's a six-year-old girl?
[15:49] Same. if the onus is on the gun
[15:52] What is it what no just it what if it is a six-year-old i.
[15:56] Don't see any harm
[15:56] Whose naked picture is being shared on the i don't.
[15:59] See the harm that's being done here is she physically hurt is she psychologically hurt where is the harm done
[16:03] Yes of course she's psychologically hurt because when she gets older and she realizes that her naked pictures have been shared for strangers to masturbate over against her will that will be extremely traumatic for her extremely upsetting for her and would be a massive betrayal of any caregiver's right or responsibility to protect her.
[16:23] You're assuming all this. Why would images be harmful? I don't understand why you think that that would be harmful or why it would hurt her. And why would it hurt her as an adult but not as a teenager?
[16:34] Well, it does hurt her as a teenager.
[16:36] Why did you say that?
[16:37] Have you ever talked? Have you? Hang on, hang on, hang on. Have you ever talked to, let's say, a girl who's had sexually explicit images shared against her will? Have you ever talked to someone like that?
[16:51] I've heard of cases like this. And everyone.
[16:53] Have you ever talked to someone? It's a yes or no question. Not have you heard of cases? Have you ever talked to a girl who's had sexually explicit imagery shared against her will with others?
[17:04] I know of a teenager where this happened to. Some ex of hers, revenge leaked her stuff.
[17:13] Have you ever talked with a girl who's been in this? Okay. So you have talked with her directly about it.
[17:21] Okay. So why wouldn't you say that at the beginning? I don't believe you because otherwise you would have said that.
[17:26] No, because I thought you meant younger. Teenager is a bit different.
[17:31] Still legally a child? Okay. So, did she experience any negative emotions from having explicit imagery shared against her will? Yes.
[17:42] And her main issue is, you know, the shame that her society would bring upon her. It wasn't specifically the image sharing. It was the effect that other people would have when looking at it. And the way they would shame her. It wasn't specifically the image that hurt her, obviously. It's the effect that sexually...
[18:01] So, hang on. So this is all bizarro land, man. So you said, what's the harm? But you've actually talked to a woman, a girl, and directly heard the harm.
[18:13] The harm was done by society, not by the photographer.
[18:16] You're saying, well, what's the negative? And the only person you've ever talked to about this expressed significant negatives. So what the hell are you talking about?
[18:21] The perpetrator of the harm was not the boyfriend or the guy. It was society. The guy actually taking the picture. So what? Well, punish the right people.
[18:34] What is it? What on earth does it matter?
[18:35] Punish the perpetrator.
[18:36] What on earth does it? Okay, let me talk. What on earth does it matter who the harm comes from if the harm is coming from a significant number of people? So let me put it to you this way. Let's say that you and I have competing restaurants across the street, right? And I spread a rumor that I found the ass end of a rat in the soup you served me, right? And this costs you a lot of business because people don't want to eat it in a restaurant where you get the ass end of a soup in your clam chowder, right? So let's say this costs you a million dollars of lost business, right? Am I responsible for any of that loss that you've experienced? I lie about your food and cost you a lot of business.
[19:21] I would actually say no, but I can understand the argument. However, this is not what's happening here because that's a lie. Like, that's a form of fraud and dishonesty.
[19:30] You have to, of course, the analogy is not exact.
[19:35] It's a huge difference because lying and making, like, that's a dangerous lie. Nudity is not a dangerous lie. That's just honesty. It's your body. It's a huge, you can't make that embarrassing.
[19:47] I understand. I understand that an analogy is an analogy. If you can't understand that analogy is imperfect by definition, then you're just not smart enough.
[19:57] The problem with lying about a restaurant is you're.
[19:59] Okay, you need to, if you, okay, if bro, if you interrupt me again, we're done. All right.
[20:04] All right.
[20:05] That's just, this just can't be the conversation. All right.
[20:08] So if we accept that if I lie about your business and cost you half a million dollars, you would take me to court for slander or defam, it would be slander, I think, or defamation. I can't remember the two, but so let's just say defamation, right? So you would take me to court because my lies have directly cost you money. Now, in most common law court systems, there is something called pain and suffering. In other words, if you have caused me significant and objective pain and suffering, in other words, any reasonable person.
[20:39] Would experience pain and suffering as a result of this even if I haven't lost money. Let's say that you lie about me having an affair and my wife wants to leave me and I go through a lot of pain and suffering even though it hasn't directly cost me money yet, then I might take you to court and pain and suffering would be recognized as something that you might have to pay for. Now you can disagree with common law if you want but then we're in an entirely different conversation about a society that doesn't exist so and and societies would in general deal with that most societies do and have throughout human history at least in the west so causing someone pain and suffering through lying or the breaking of an implicit contract is something that people can be sanctioned for now children are generally sanctioned at a far lower rate than adults so i I don't know what the punishment would be for this young man. I don't know what it would be currently, and it would vary by jurisdiction. But yes, he should receive some kind of sanctions. I don't know whether those sanctions would be some sort of incarceration or some sort of, I don't think that would be ideal. I think what would be ideal would be some sort of counseling or some sort of therapy to figure out why he's so cold-hearted and so destructive of somebody else's peace of mind and privacy that he would share a sexually explicit image of a child to others. That would be an indication of a severe problem in the personality.
[22:03] So yeah, for sure, you can be sanctioned for causing someone else pain and suffering. Now, if I do the half million dollar damage against your restaurant and you say, well, no, the damage isn't caused. And I say, no, the damage isn't caused by me. The damage is caused by all these irrational people who believed me, who just didn't go to your restaurant. That doesn't matter. The fact is that I told this lie and you suffered half a million dollars in losses. Me blaming the people for what they do is irrelevant. And in the same way, if somebody shares a sexually explicit image of a child and she suffers as a result, as she will, it doesn't really matter if it's society or others. The suffering is real and objective, and any reasonable person would suffer under those circumstances. So, please, go ahead.
[22:46] And any kind of physical incarceration of them is a NAP violation. It's far from clear that she suffered greatly. the girl that I know didn't really suffer that much. You haven't made the case that she suffered greatly. Like if she suffered a million dollars, I can understand your case, but that's far from clear. There might've actually been, to please the devil's advocate, there might've been credible or decent reasons why he did this. Maybe she wasn't a good girl. So many things.
[23:16] What?
[23:17] Maybe she was a bad girl.
[23:18] Maybe she wasn't a good girl, so he can share sexually explicit images of the child. Do you hear yourself at all? Does this register with your conscience at all?
[23:30] I mean, as you know, people don't change, right? So even a teenager, you know, they might not be the best person in the world.
[23:36] Okay, you're just too creepy and sinister. You're done. Yeah, you're just too creepy, man. You really need to seek some help.
[23:42] Appeal to emotion. This is not a healthy conversation.
[23:44] No, yeah, this is an appeal to revulsion, bro. This is a appeal to repulsion. So, yeah, this is like really nasty and vile.
[23:53] You're violating the NAP,
[23:55] Sir. my show i invite you i invite you to not listen to my show and i definitely invite you to go and see a therapist and try and deal with this because you are definitely going down a very dangerous path of cold-hearted exploitation so uh i'm going to remove this fellow and that was uh that was quite unpleasant and i'm sorry to have well you know maybe it's interesting for you guys to see this kind of stuff but uh yeah that was definitely yeah not much of a plus no way it can't be true, it can't be true that the inimitable h pearl davis has graced us with her illustrious volleyball five foot eleven and change preference uh presence is this right do i have you in the right category pearly things you.
[24:46] Do hi it's nice to meet you
[24:48] Hi how are you doing how are you good sorry sorry for that last conversation i hope you kept your lunch i.
[24:54] Didn't actually hear it so i heard like the end but i didn't understand what it was about so
[24:59] Good good, Um, well, what's on your mind? How can I help you? And I, I very much enjoy what you say. And I think you are a very courageous young lady and a very, a very good singer. I envy that ability. I really do. I like to sing, but it doesn't like me back as much. So, um, I really do appreciate what you do and I've been recommending you for quite some time and thank you very much for, for calling.
[25:22] Oh, thanks so much. Um, you know, people just keep tagging me in your stuff. I guess you're back on Twitter and they just kept saying that you need to interview him. You need to meet him. And I just saw you were live. So I was like, I'll come say hi.
[25:36] So you are doing very well. You're expanding like your average American female. I mean, so that is really something. I mean, how many people do you have working?
[25:45] You're opening up studios every time I turn it on. It's like we are now colonizing Mars and we're heading to Uranus. Oh, no, I stopped. So congratulations for all that.
[25:52] They demonetized me too. So they put a...
[25:56] When did that happen?
[25:57] I feel like I'm remonetized now, but it like just happened. so yeah i was doing that now
[26:03] Was that was that twitter that uh did.
[26:05] That no i you know what you guys other people have monetized twitter better than like maybe i have or i'm able to i've never really made a ton of money off of twitter um so when i got kicked off of youtube it was kind of game over for a while now
[26:23] Hang on did you get kicked all the way off or just.
[26:25] No sorry um demonetized. I know there's other people that have that has not stopped them. They're better than me, I guess, because it did stop me. I had to like leave England and like close pretty much all of it.
[26:39] And how long ago did you get demonetized on YouTube?
[26:42] It was in November of like two years ago. So I was demonetized for a year and a half and they let me in. I think maybe March, they reaccepted me.
[26:53] So okay and just for the listeners here if people do want to support you i can't remember sorry for this i can't remember the website if people do want to support you and i would strongly suggest that they do where is it that they can go to best help out yeah.
[27:09] It's the audacity network um.com so we're thank god we're re-monetized now but yeah if they do kick me off again
[27:19] Well there's nothing like the exciting roller coaster of telling the truth and trying to catch a few bucks out of the canons of people outrage so uh good for you i i i really really appreciate that uh resolution and that stick with itness and i i assume that comes to a good degree out of i know you've got a great relationship with your dad and also uh a more than a uh a broadway's cast worth of brothers and also sports really sports is like get up walk it off start again and so i think that that's got a lot to do with it which is not to take away from your own personal resolution, but I think those are some of the powerful factors that are helping you.
[27:55] Yeah, I don't know where I'd be without my dad. So yeah, no, it's definitely from my dad taught me that, you know, when I was like a kid, it's like one of those conversations that you kind of remember forever. It was like my dad. So my dad's really smart, right? He went to the University of Chicago, just to really like you can meet him. He's just a high IQ person. And I just remember he was like I was trying to do math homework and I couldn't get it and I was like dad you don't understand you're so smart like you just you don't get it and he just told me that he's employed people for years and he'd take someone that like works hard over someone smart any day and he's just like when you're young it doesn't really seem like it but in the grand scheme of things if you like stick things out um so I don't know that's just kind of one of the things that when i was young um but didn't you get kicked off like that's what everyone's telling me you got kicked off of stuff too
[28:52] Um, uh, yeah, I, I got kicked off like a rock flies out of a medieval ballista. I got banned from just about everything. And, um, even one of my own kidneys, uh, filed a petition to leave me. Uh, it was, uh, yeah, definitely a real challenge and thank heavens for dedicated listeners. And, uh, uh, what I did was I went from stadiums to jazz clubs, which, you know, I took the meatloaf route, right? Which is, you're really big and you get involved in a lot of conflicts and disputes. And then I think he took a couple of years off after Bat Out of Hell because there were so many lawsuits. And then he just went back to playing nightclubs and bars and jazz. So I went from stadiums to jazz clubs, which is, you know, not the end of the world. And it's just a different kind of conversation, right? It was more intimate. And I got back into reading my novels as audio books. and uh i just after doing all of this you know very high-flying intellectual labor i went back to sort of my roots i was originally a novelist and actor and an artist so i went back to that kind of stuff and and wrote a couple of books and uh chatted with people in a sort of very limited uh way and then you know back on twitter it was crazy just i mean to come back was was quite exciting like prodigal son back from the wilderness that kind of stuff so but yeah i got yeeted off just about everything.
[30:08] But you know, it was an election year. So I don't blame anybody but myself. I don't hold anybody responsible except myself. I peed and grabbed just about every third rail known to man, God, and Zeus. And I basically got myself kicked off with no regrets, because sometimes I think the truth is worth more than income, fame, and even reputation.
[30:30] Because, you know, as a moral philosopher, you expect your reputation to accrue to the benefit of your great-grandchildren, but almost never yourself.
[30:36] What was it? What got you booted? Maybe we could exchange booted stories.
[30:43] Got me booted? I mean, I don't know for sure because nobody ever told me. They didn't tell you? Like nobody ever said, bro, you did this, and this was a bridge too far. So I talked about IQ, which, you know, is a very contentious topic, but that had been years before. I don't think it was that in particular. um i do know at least i suspect that on youtube uh you know the the great george floyd stuff that happened in the summer of 2020 and i had sort of regularly been pushing back against these narratives i had a very big video on george zimmerman and trayvon martin i did some stuff on ahmed aubrey and other people and i had done an interview with a friend of mine who's a cop in America, and his black cop friends, the white cop and a black cop, and we all three of us got together and jawboned about George Floyd and this issue called excited delirium. Like some people just when they're getting arrested, they just completely freak out and have all these medical issues. And so we talked about that. We talked about the drugs in his system. We talked just about a bunch of other stuff, not coming to any conclusions because nobody knew for sure, of course, what was going on at the time. But I think having, you know, me host a white cop and a black cop talk about George Floyd, I think that probably broke people's brains in the censorship, motherships or whatever runs that. That's beautiful.
[32:06] Like, yeah, because, because it was, no, that's a great panel. Like, I love panels like that. Oh, I want to watch the video. It's too bad.
[32:17] Oh, no, it's, it's available. Just not obviously on YouTube. So that, that was up in processing. You know and you know sometimes when you've got you know you know it's a little it's a little spice it's got a little cinnamon in it and i don't know if you've ever done this and i try not to because you know a watched pot never boils but i remember sitting in my computer and it's like 90 percent 95 percent and i'm like come on baby you can do it you can do it and then it's like your channel has been deleted and it's like oh so close so close so close because apparently speech you hate is just called hate speech you know hate speech is just a made-up term for people who don't have good counter arguments so i think i don't know for sure but i think it was that and i assume of course that there were a bunch of people who were saying here's a terrible guy look at that he's a terrible guy and and so on now the other thing too is because i didn't take ads Like I never took any ads. So I think it was kind of tough for people to, they couldn't go to advertisers. So I think they just had to go to the source. Like maybe if I'd had advertisers, although I'd been demonetized on YouTube a year or two before all of this.
[33:27] And yeah, just the dominoes kept falling and, you know, you know, you just have to reinvent yourself as best you can as things, you don't want too even a life because you have, if you have too even a life, you're just not taking enough chances.
[33:39] And then you have, rather than some of the frustration of deplatforming, you have the bitterness of regret which is to me one of the worst things ever like i'll do a lot to end my life oh that's nice tommy sort of my eyes just followed me i did some shows with him as well he's a great guy and i'm very very upset that i never got to talk to kevin samuels that was a huge dream of mine but um yeah so i you know i i pushed the envelope and of course the funny thing is too and i'm sorry to monopolize i want to hear your experience as well but the funny thing is too is that a lot of the stuff that I talked about was just razor edge edgy like cutting edge how dare you even think these thoughts let alone expostulate them you know and now when I'm looking on Twitter it's like yeah it's pretty common coinage but you know nobody really cares that people took bullets to open up these conversations they just want to have them now so and what what what do you think was it for you that got the the demonetizing yeet.
[34:36] Oh, they told me. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, they gave me a meeting. So I think I was in the so I'll tell you the full story because there's some people that think that I was deplatformed for other reasons. But all I can go off of is what YouTube told me.
[34:54] So the summer like June before I got demonetized, there was a song I did release that I thought was funny um but people did not um it it had to do with nick f stuff and that sort of thing i don't really want to talk sorry nick who nick fuente you know i don't want to oh no nick fuente yeah yeah yeah nice guy um but i made a song kind of on that topic it was just like a freestyle song and a guitar but this got me on like pierce morgan like ambushed like i don't know i don't really think it was that big of a deal but the world so when that happened they told me people around me told me that that was the stupidest thing I ever did and that I would be demonetized within the next year that did come true I don't know if that was the reason that is not what youtube told me so about six months later um basically there was a pissed off woman that um was very upset if women women they're the most spiteful creatures this woman probably cost me a million dollars if there's one woman i would fight on this planet but um just but not actually not actually but um basically after this interview i made her look dumb so she had My account flagged and got all these videos like and the thing was I had 10,000 videos at the time and
[36:23] And that there was what what
[36:25] Do you mean you had 10 000 videos.
[36:26] Oh i had 10 000 videos because um what happened was i i blew up because i was one of the first people that figured out i could get really cheap editors in like nigeria africa all these like places so i was paying like full-time clippers like 205 and then they started calling me a colonizer so maybe i shouldn't talk about that But they were living like kings there before, you know, but.
[36:52] Well, and it's the other thing, too. It's like, how dare you give people who are poor money for a job well done? They should starve. They should get nothing for an aid. Anyway, sorry, go on.
[37:00] I had like 30 clips going out a day at one point. So I would do these like four hour shows and I would just clip like I would get shorts. I would. So and I was streaming at one point, like I probably five or six days a week. So there's a lot of you know there's something but nobody was watching that closely so this woman gets everything flagged and the official reasons that youtube gave me um was one of them was tranny and the other one was i said that being a woman is like being in the special olympics everybody knows that you're not as good but they still clap and it was pretty funny watching the like youtube rep read that to me and i was like oh okay um and the other one was women shouldn't vote i guess the t-shirts that i sold were too far so that's what they did
[37:56] That could you mean sort of like the repeal the 19th stuff.
[37:59] Yeah so they um that that was what that was the official reason i don't know some people claim it was the song i don't have or that i had nick on i don't have any evidence that was the case it's possible but that's as far as i know it was from the comments i said the second half right
[38:25] Well you know it's nice that you got a meeting um i was like the third guy on youtube back in 2006 and i'd had the the channel for 14 years or whatever and i didn't even get a strike it was just like uh you have been despawned i basically it's like that photo of the guy next to Stalin by the river, that sort of black and white photo, it's just instant dissolve. Stef was never here. These are not the droids you're looking for. The Will Smith pen, you know, it's like gone, gone.
[38:53] And it works, man. It was saying to, when I came back to Twitter, like, Like 97% of the audience was just like gone. Like it's like, and I actually bought, or somebody paid for like onewebsiteover.com redirects to my website. Cause I'm like, bros, I'm not dead. I'm one website over. In fact, you can just, you can just get the feed of my shows into your feed catcher. And you can, you know, it's like, I'm still here. And it's like, it's just like, it really works because, you know, people have the attention span and I'm not immune to this either, right? But people have the attention span kind of a coked up squirrel. And so, you know, out of sight, out of mind. And it's been funny coming back, of course, because people are like, oh, yeah, I thought about you all the time, but you were just gone. It's like, I wasn't gone. I'm not dead yet. I'm like that guy in the Monday Python. I'm not dead yet. I'm still here. I'm still doing my thing. But people are just funny that way. People won't go to a different website.
[39:49] It's either Twitter, YouTube, or nothing. You're done. Right.
[39:53] Right. Right, so I'm putting, like, I did these speaking tours with Lauren Southern where, you know, we were putting our lives on the line. Like, there was massive violence and not just protests like people chanting. I had no problem with that. Go for it. But, you know, bomb threats, death threats, people charging the stage, people attacking the buses, bringing the people to come to speeches and all of that. So it's kind of like a real difference of commitment that was really important for me to understand. Because when you're in the thick of it, right, you think, oh, I'm fighting this philosophical culture war.
[40:23] And my bros and my sisters, they got my back. And I'll go in the front lines and people will watch my back and feed me intellectual ammo and all that kind of stuff. And then I'll put life on the line and battle it all out. And be, you know, as you say, you go on the media and people are like, we just want to have a friendly conversation with a shiv.
[40:45] And so I'm willing to do all of that. And then when I got deplatformed and people were like, forget him, man. He's on a different website. So there's nothing we can do, man. I mean, what am I supposed to get to Mars to watch his show live? So once you realize how little people, not this current audience, love you to death. But when you realize just how little people are committed to the work that you're doing, it helps. And this is healthy. Like I'm not criticizing the audience. I actually was in, once I sort of got this, which was pretty quickly, I'm like, whew. Fantastic i can really lower the temperature and intensity of what it is that i'm doing, because you know in the analogy of world war one the last thing you want to be is the one guy going into the no man's land because then you know like six million lasers and german machine guns or whatever all trained on you the only chance you have is with numbers and if the numbers aren't there you're released of obligation so i was able to just go and have a lot more fun and not take quite as many lasers to the admittedly quite conspicuous forehead, if that makes sense.
[41:52] No, it totally makes sense. Yeah, getting demonetized, or I didn't get my channel deleted, so I can't even imagine that. But yeah, it's humbling. You think you're on top of the world until you're not.
[42:05] Look how important I am. I'm so important that if I vanish from people's feed, they don't know that I exist.
[42:12] Yeah, they don't care.
[42:14] Right. And so, yeah, why would I put everything on the line for people who can't go one website over? And again, I know this sounds, oh, he's just hiding his bitterness. It really was. It's been five years. Like, it's all in the past now, and I've more than adjusted. But it is humbling, and it's good to be humbled, because being humbled is not being brought down. It's being brought to reality. and it's easy when everyone's shearing your name and you're speaking to like a thousand people and on the media all the time it's easy to think that you're so important and you know, It's tempting, and maybe there's a little spice of grandiosity in there, but it is really good to be brought back to reality and realize that you're actually not that important, which liberates you to pursue a little bit more pleasure rather than these sort of massive philosophical obligations that I was sort of carrying like a giant burrow on my back.
[43:05] Yeah I almost um it brought me personally to something I call radical acceptance because I think when you're in it you kind of feel like um you're fighting like you're fighting for your team or you're fighting for like the war I don't know you you feel like that and then there's just a certain point where I'm like women win man women they win I'm like I lose you guys win one woman took me down and i'm like you know what they just kind of got to operate in the laws that are there and like even you can't really the you could hope maybe it'll change in the future but i don't sell hope i i i'm happy it's a little bit better it seems to have gotten better from when you were on but uh i'm still prepared for the same stuff if you know
[44:01] Well uh fingers crossed after your conversation with me but uh yeah it it is uh unfortunately or fortunately it really doesn't matter because it's just evolution all the men who were really good at saying no to women, didn't reproduce like it's just one of these sad things that the genes that survived are the, semi-simpy yes ma'am no ma'am three bags full ma'am kind of things because you know as you know there were significant majorities of men throughout periods of human evolution that didn't reproduce at all so the last thing you'd ever want to evolve to do is say a lot of no to women because then those genes just despawn right so um but you know i mean it's tough to get mad at evolution because it has had us develop all of these amazing brains this technology the ability to have these kinds of conversations so um we can look at the dark side but it's important to know that we only analyze it because of the amazing things that happened in evolution but one of those things is not being able to say uh no to women too much yeah.
[45:01] So you're so like what was your main uh talking points like back in the day like what was the main topics that you would go over
[45:13] Well, I mean, it's a long show. It's been, I mean, the 15 years that I had before de-platforming, I started off with a voluntary society, a stateless society, which is, it's called, the official name is market anarchism or anarcho-capitalism, which is anarchism, but not, communist, anarchism with sort of private property and free markets. So I was very, the non-aggression principle, which means don't initiate the use of force. If you expand that everywhere in society, you end up with a stateless society. So I started with that. and then i started doing call-in shows with people to talk about philosophy and everyone.
[45:48] Called in pearl and they wanted to talk about their lives because i you know had talked a little bit about my life and sort of what brought me to philosophy and what maintained my interest in philosophy and what i hoped to do with philosophy which had a lot to do with my sort of upbringing and childhood and so on so people wanted to talk about their lives and i'm like okay hey mate if this is what works for you i'm a i'm a customer driven kind of guy i've spent a lot of years in the business world so we'll talk about your life so then uh i started hearing you know the stories of people who'd had pretty terrible childhoods and the effects that it had on their lives and as a moral philosopher and as a guy who understands quite a bit about, people's evolution and and i've been through therapy myself and all of that sort of stuff i was like okay well let's see what philosophy can do about your childhood so then i started to talk about you don't have to be in abusive relationships. Now, that's not, to me, a very controversial topic. So I thought. But the reality is that if you say you don't have to be in abusive relationships, it's fine if it's a woman complaining about a man. It's mostly okay if it's a man complaining about a woman, although that's more controversial. But where the real third rail was, was if it's an adult child talking about a parent or parents.
[47:09] And, you know, my advice has always been, you know, go talk to your parents if you have issues with them. See if you can get them into therapy or group therapy if you can't resolve anything. But if they're relentlessly abusive, yeah, you don't have to have them in your life.
[47:21] I mean, our media stories and a cult leader and like all just kinds of crazy stuff. Not led by a lot of men, I will say. Just wanted to point that out to sort of shore up your... So you basically tell...
[47:32] It's basically the crazy moms, right?
[47:34] Well, it's... Yeah, it is. I think there's some of that involved for sure. So then I rode that wave for a while. And then I started talking about current political issues. I started a program called True News. I'm trained. I've got a graduate degree in history, the history of philosophy specifically, but I'm pretty well trained in historiography. So I did a whole bunch of presentations on the fall of Rome and Plato and Aristotle and Abraham Lincoln and Joseph McCarthy and, you know, all of these, George Washington and all of that sort of stuff. And people really liked the current events and they liked the historical stuff.
[48:15] And it really started to build. And then I did a series of shows called The Untruths About Donald Trump, because the media, I would not say, was overly solicitous of pursuing the objective truth about me. Let's put it as nicely as possible. And so when I saw the media lying about Donald Trump, I was like, OK, well, let me just put out the facts. And those shows went ballistic. There were millions and millions of views. And so I think that may have been where I got on the lists. and so on, right? So then I talked about IQ, because I think looking at the world through an understanding of IQ is really, really important. IQ is one of the most studied and objective and valuable metrics in all of psychology. And I interviewed 17 world experts on IQ and differences between ethnicities and differences between men and women and so on, because I think it's very, I want us all to get along better.
[49:11] Oh my gosh. I'm sorry. Okay. I actually have a question for you since you're an iq expert so or you sound like what i don't know based on what you're saying so I am convinced that I, everyone keeps telling me that, um, that women have like IQs that are more in the middle and men have IQs that are like, the men are really high and really low. And I just like, don't believe it. Like, I don't really care if they tell me that because it's just not what I see. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't see, like, everyone tells me that there's all these, like, really, really dumb men. And maybe I see dumb men, like, with women. But I don't really see that many just straight up, like, stupid. Like, maybe they do, like, a trade job. I don't want to even say dumb because that's, like, a different type of intelligence. You know, like, if you're going to. But, like, most guys I know know how to, like, do stuff. Like, maybe if they're not good in school, they can, like, fix stuff. Like, there's something they can do. But women, it's like nothing, like nothing, like nothing at all.
[50:25] They do make up, eat, hot, chip and lie. Is that, what's that mean?
[50:28] I don't know. I feel like, and this is all just feelings. I feel like they're lying on these tests. Like, I don't like, I feel like the IQ.
[50:38] Wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on. Who's lying? Do you mean the women taking the tests or the people reporting on them?
[50:42] I don't know. I just feel as though there is some lying going on in this somewhere. Because it's not like, it's like, and this is, I always get into like tussles with people because they're like, oh, you pick and choose what stats to believe. And I'm like, kind of, because like, if I, if you give me a study or a stat, or you say this test is accurate and I, and I look at the world and I'm like, well, everything I've seen in my life says otherwise.
[51:12] It's, it's, I know it's a little hypocritical because we all use stats like in this job or whatever, but I just feel like there's a catch when it comes to the female IQ tests. I don't know it versus male IQ tests. I feel as though, and this is my guess, is that they changed the test to make it easier to women because they've changed everything in society to make it easier to women. So I'm like, why would the test be different? And so I think that women are actually dumber than men. And I think it's worse than the IQ tests say. I don't think men are like on the aggregate. And my guess is they took something out of the tests to make it like easier for women and harder for men. I don't know. And my guess as to what it would be. And by the way, I have no evidence for this. This is just my thought process. But my guess is they did something where women can manipulate it. And my thought was when I took the ACT, they added a writing section.
[52:12] And I'm like, that was, we can just write about bullshit for like years we can like write essays and say nothing that's a great and so i think they did that with the the iq tests i've never taken an iq test so i don't know but yeah am i crazy is that like a crazy thought or like well
[52:34] I think look i mean i think it's interesting and my first thought was that as a woman you said well my experience and my feelings as opposed to generic facts and And that's fine. I mean, look, what you're saying is important and valid. So just for those of you don't know the general IQ stuff between men and women, there appears to be a small gap between men and women favoring men on average, but it's too small to be noticeable. It's like a couple of points. So it's too small to be noticeable. And again, IQ tests don't mean anything for the individuals who we meet. Just when you zoom out, there are these aggregates that can be helpful in understanding society at large. The fact is that women tend to center around the IQ bent, to use a slightly crude analogy. A female IQ is a penis, male IQ is a boob, right? It's flatter and wider. And so because of that, there's more of a scattershot with male intelligence, you end up with more men who have cognitive deficiencies, like significant cognitive of deficiencies. These might be people who'd be homeless or, you know, they're probably not in the orbit of you and I as a whole. We're not talking tradespeople who are of average or above average intelligence as a whole, but just people who, you know, they drop out of school, they maybe go on welfare, they try and find ways to game the system often through things like, well, for women, it's having a bunch of kids or for men, it's like, oh, my back, my back and getting some sort of disability.
[53:57] And so on. So they don't generally show up that much, at least in society, and certainly probably wouldn't be in the orbits of you and I. So at the low end, there tend to be more men. And at the high end, there are almost no women. Like at the very highest ends of IQ, there are almost no women. And this is one of the reasons. But that's where a lot of economic and scientific prowess emerges, right? So, like in terms of chess grandmasters and so on, they would be men. So, because the IQ curve for men is flatter, you tend to have more men and fewer women at the highest echelons. But again, these are not people that I know and probably not people that you know.
[54:35] I just can't believe it. I just can't.
[54:39] No, no, no. So, hang on. So, sorry. That was just a...
[54:41] Maybe I'm just too sexist.
[54:43] I don't know. No, no, no. That was just a generic thing. Now, the question of IQ with regards to sex, I mean, gosh, I'm sure you heard, it was Lawrence Summers was his name, right? It was a fellow who was asked, it was a Yale or Harvard or some Ivy League school, he was asked, why are there fewer women in STEM? And he said, well, it may have something to do with the fact that on average women have slightly different preferences than men in the fields they go into, right? Men like working with things a little bit more than women like working with people a little bit more.
[55:15] And you know physics and stem tends to be about things whereas you know the stuff that women go into is kind of the same now as it was a hundred years ago in nursing teaching uh a secretarial or or administrative and stuff like that i know but.
[55:28] They're not even good at that
[55:30] Oh, in the business world, I was useless without my secretary. So some of the competence that women show there is very high. But again, that may be different from, and of course, it was when I was younger, it was a generation, maybe a generation and a half before.
[55:45] So Lauren Summers made this comment that women have slightly different preferences, and that's going to show up. A small difference of preferences shows up in a big difference after you filter out everyone. So this is why you'd have mostly male physicists. There's never been a female economist, I think, that's won any sort of big major prize and so on.
[56:05] And so there were women who got completely hysterical and he ended up getting fired. And it's like, you know, I couldn't breathe. I can't even. I felt physically sick. And it's like, you know, you're not really rebutting his points too much to get over emotional about a criticism based on data. It's like because in the big fine personality traits, like women score a little bit higher on the trait agreeableness, which means that you know they're more likely to line up and and and go along which is why women can be particularly dangerous as as george alwell pointed out in in totalitarianism because they tend to be tattletales and that certainly happened over covet and so um you know this difference is again each individual doesn't matter that much but in aggregate in a sort of big zoom out uh it is it is a big issue and it does tend to condition where people end up and but the blank slate theory is an absolute cult fanaticism for people on the left, that we're all just blank slate goo that can be shaped into whatever by whoever, and just apply enough force and social pressure and insults and deplatforming and aggression and bribes and rewards, and you can make anyone do anything. And this malleability of human nature is really the essence of totalitarianism. It's incredibly dangerous for society. A hundred million people got killed under communism for that theory.
[57:18] Yeah. I think I just don't believe IQ tests because I, and I know, I know it's like, I, maybe I should, but I just, there's a point where I was trying to think of anything we were good at. Cause they keep saying we're like better with people. And I'm like, if we're so good with people, why do you like single dads raise better kids than single? Like we can't even mother. Right. do you know what I'm saying
[57:45] Well sorry I wasn't sure if you I've talked a lot so if you're in the middle of the thought please please finish up no.
[57:52] You're fine I don't think this is like I think when I say this stuff it's pretty frustrating to academics or like to keep when I say this opinion I'm not saying it's the right opinion but it's
[58:03] Just well no so so the the question to ask I think Pearl would be what would happen to a researcher who found robust differences in the IQs between men and women and published it. I would not want to be within the last radius of that person's career or maybe even the same hemisphere. And that's the challenge is what are the costs and benefits of publishing this kind of research? Because academia has long since stopped being the pursuit of truth and now it's just the enforcement of ideology. So if somebody did come up with a test, let's say, that showed a pretty robust difference, maybe it was one of the older IQ tests or something else, something that measured what intelligence researchers call G, which is generalized intelligence. It's the raw underlying speed of processing that gives people good IQ tests. And IQ test measures it to some degree, but there's other things that you can do to figure it out. So if there was a guy or a woman who found, A not insignificant, like a couple of points, who cares, right? They're not insignificant gap. Unless it was women higher than men, right? Oof, you know, maybe somebody at the very end of their career who was like 30 seconds from retirement might push the publish button. But even that person, because you only would survive in academia by being a craven coward, for the most part, there have been some exceptions. That makes sense.
[59:28] Because it's just, maybe it's because of what I do for a living. But I just see women that have everything handed to them just take the biggest L's. And it's not just like ones from like poor background. It's like all of them. And I'm like.
[59:42] Sorry, the women from who? Poor background? What is that?
[59:45] Sorry, it's not just like bad backgrounds, right? But I'll just see women take these L's that, and I'm like, I think our IQ is significantly lower. Like, I think it's significant.
[59:56] Well, I would say that intelligence is a bit of a muscle that develops against resistance. And, you know, the one thing that women are not sure of in the modern world is endless, bottomless, sadistic praise. Oh, you're so wonderful. Oh, you're so great. Women rule the world. Women would stop all wars. Women are perfect. Women are wonderful. I mean, there's a name for it in psychology. It's called the women are wonderful phenomenon, and it infects just about everyone's mind. I mean, men are susceptible to status, but women are susceptible to flattery. And, you know, it's rare to find a woman who's like, no, no, no, that's too much flattery. Come on.
[1:00:30] I'm not that. That's too much. I can't take it. It's not realistic to me anymore. It just lap it up like a cat with cream. And I think that the amount of flattery, it's demonic in my view, the amount of flattery that's inflicted on girls in particular by the pro-female or pro-girl approach of public school teachers. I'm sure you know these studies where they take the male and female names off the tests And the scores for the boys go up considerably and the scores for the girls go down. In other words, there's favoritism from the mostly female teachers for the girls and against the boys. I think that almost for sure things like ADHD and the mass drugging with, to me at least, pretty dangerous drugs for kids is driven by female teachers' inability to handle and stimulate the energetic young boys under their tender, loving care. And so it is really tough. You get that level of praise and support and everyone telling you how wonderful you are and, as you say, changing the standards to accommodate you and making sure you never lose and everyone gets a participation trophy. I don't think it's that women's intelligence has fallen. I think that the problem-solving and resistance that human beings need to face in order to develop practical intelligence has been largely removed. And I think people's minds, whatever their potential, just become flaccid in the absence of resistance. And taking away resistance and consequences from women's lives, I think, just has them be somewhat passive and inert with regard to the potential that they have.
[1:01:54] Yeah. Were you on Joe Rogan? I was just Googling you.
[1:01:59] Three times.
[1:02:00] Whoa.
[1:02:02] That's so cool. Yes, until the last time, which was a delightful ambush where he's like, yeah, come on down. And then they had queued up all of the things I said that were bad. And what about this? And what about that? And I remember in the meeting like, okay, this is an ambush, I guess, whatever, right? But I was like, did I say something insane? You know, you ever have that? Because, you know, you're queen of long form. I'm convinced you wear adult diapers like that crazy, uh, astronaut. But, um, when you've done so much material, you never know if you've just misspoken about something or, you know, something could be snipped and, but everything he played, I'm like, yeah, I, I stand by that. Yeah. You don't have to be in abusive relationships. Yeah. Stand by that. Yeah. Stand by that. And, uh, yeah, I, I believe that, uh, we should have a society in the long run without a government. Yep. I stand by that. You know, Joe Rogan ambushed you. Yeah. And, and I don't think I've ever seen that before. with good old joe so i i take my place in the hall of fame of uh i don't know someone got to him or something but i mean that was many years ago of course how.
[1:03:02] Long ago was that
[1:03:07] Probably eight or nine years ago what i'm thinking yeah we did we did a show we did a show in a room in toronto just in a room this is back in the day right and then we did a show in his studio both of which were great fun and i remember joe saying wow you know i'd love to help support you you're really great at what you do. And then the third, it was just like, welcome to your trap door from hell. I've released the headless monkeys and you're going to have helped me shoved up your nose until you admit that you're wrong. So yeah, that was, you know, it's part of the game and he's got his, his people. So, but you should go on. Definitely. I don't think he'd amp a few.
[1:03:41] Well, he hasn't invited me on,
[1:03:43] But if he does, I mean, I, I can't, I can't dislike the guy. I have no animosity. It's fine. My life has worked out really well, and I have no complaints. He did his thing, and it's just part of the general throwdown of life. You know, if you want to be controversial, people are going to take their swings. That's the nature of the beast. And if you don't want to be controversial, to me, I mean, that's not worth it, because then you just have all of these great gifts of communication that you've used for the most bland stuff possible. And that's, again, as I said, I'll do anything to avoid the feeling of regret.
[1:04:19] And if that means a couple of hard blows to the solar plexus, that sure beats regret because that passes, but regret is forever.
[1:04:27] Where are you from? Like, where are you at? I hear an accent, but I can't recognize what it is.
[1:04:34] You can't because it's impossible. So I was born in Ireland. I grew up in England for the most part, moved to Canada when I was 11, spent some time. My father lived in South Africa, so I spent some time there. And then I went to the National Theater School as an actor and playwright and tried to scrub some of the accents. So I wasn't constantly getting cast in, And, oh, a fat Shakespearean riddles, my dear. So, yeah, it's a real tour of the colonies kind of accent. And I think one guy got close once, trying to figure out where it came from, but nobody's ever got it right.
[1:05:03] So, where are you now? Are you in Canada, England, South Africa?
[1:05:08] Canada.
[1:05:09] Okay, cool.
[1:05:11] As you can tell from the backdrop, it's all a snowbank. No, I'm kidding. But, yeah. And where are you from?
[1:05:17] I'm in Chicago. If you ever come to America?
[1:05:22] Uh, I, I have certainly been to America since, uh, de-platforming. Yes.
[1:05:26] Sure. Well, you should come on the, you should come on the show. We should do a sit down and be kind of fun.
[1:05:32] Because you have, uh, you missed the risk. Is that, is that your contention that things have just been too peaceful, too quiet, too calm, and, uh, you just need to spice it up.
[1:05:43] It has to be within the guidelines, but if we follow you,
[1:05:46] You're back on YouTube.
[1:05:47] Aren't you? I was looking you up.
[1:05:49] Uh, no. Oh, you're not? Am I? Oh, you're not. Oh, wouldn't we? No, I put out a plea a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard anything from them, and I'm not holding my breath, but I don't think so. Okay. I mean, there's some of my videos up there, but it's not me. Boy, if it is, that would be kind of nice to find out, because there was a lot of... I didn't have 10,000 videos, but I had some.
[1:06:13] I just saw one that had your name on it, but I don't know.
[1:06:17] Yeah, that could certainly be possible. No, I mean, I'd love to get the channel back, even if it was read-only, because I thought the comments section was gold, baby, gold. I mean it would be funny if they restored the channel without even telling me that would be the ultimate act of passive aggression wouldn't it um fine you're back but i'm not going to tell you man this looks like you all right hang on hang on but oh my keyboard has been moved away but.
[1:06:48] It says you only have it you don't have a lot of followers on this account oh that says it's from india someone's pretending to be you
[1:06:54] Right right it is not my philosophy is spicy but not that kind of spicy so all right okay well listen uh pearl listen i've got a bunch of callers and i i hate to be rude but i think it would be great fun to do a show together and once again if you can tell my listeners uh your website and and definitely it's worth uh worth following for the musical stylings and uh and deep insights which are really fascinating and i love your whiteboards it's so low tech it makes me uh it gives me hives but yes where's your touch screen from the gods but no it's it's great and so if you can just tell people who listen to me how to get a hold of you that would be great sure.
[1:07:35] You can follow me on twitter or go to the audacitynetwork.com if you want to support and thanks so much for having me it was really nice to meet you
[1:07:42] My pleasure and i'm sure we'll talk again and thank you for all the work that you do All right, we will move on to, oh, Libration.
[1:07:56] You're going to need to unmute, though, if you want to talk. And I know that people have an inconstant capacity to stay on hold forever. I saw Tommy Sotomayor came and went.
[1:08:09] Tommy, call me. i just just tommy by the by since i think you and i were doing a show right before my de-platforming and you did a show you did a documentary on fatherlessness and i think one of the last i've always remembered this because like five years ago and change but tommy if you listen to this and i hope that you do let's do a show again because you did this documentary on fatherlessness and i said we're going to watch this documentary talk about it and it never happened because i got de-platformed uh pretty pretty soon afterwards and i'm sorry about that that was uh not ideal but um uh let's let's do something again all right so techno barbarian what a great what a great name uh did you have a comment or a question a criticism uh what is on your mind my friend oh no there was an error all right agoras you are on if you want to unmute i'm all ears, Don't give me dead air, man It kills my soul.
[1:09:12] I hear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's on your mind, Frank? Hey, man.
[1:09:16] First of all, I don't think I have to harp on it too much, but it's definitely a pleasure having you back and an honor to chat with you. As a matter of fact, we've chatted in the past. Thank you. In other capacities. So just bringing it back to the philosophy thing a little bit, you mentioned the thing about the blank slate. So I'm a big philosophy of mind buff. My background is in philosophy. Um the thing about the blank blank slate though is i'm wondering how far you kind of you know push that idea in the sense that like in the kind of randy in way that like rand is talking about the blank slate i'm wondering if you're still kind of holding to that idea because the way that you were describing a second ago was kind of i'm thinking how you might have cognized how the lefties you know and the commies would think about the concept if that kind of makes sense is there some sort of delineation there do you still maybe hold to the sort of randian view of the blank slate well
[1:10:10] Tell me what what your understanding is of the randian view of the blank.
[1:10:13] Slate i just
[1:10:14] Want to make sure we're on the same time.
[1:10:15] What i remember from rand essentially what she says is um although we might have sort of natural impulses or something like that essentially our conceptual schema is built out over time right so like you get this in um objectivist epistemology basically how everything starts with impressions and builds over time into giant schema actually you get actually a little bit in count too um I think that actually still holds true but I was wondering how far you know you took it you know the idea of rejecting it or you know how you would approach it
[1:10:49] Right. No, that's a great question. So the blank slate, and I'll really do my best to keep this brief because we've got more callers than I really want to get to, and I appreciate everyone coming by tonight. It's a real delight and pleasure to chat with you all. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:11:05] So the blank slate is valid and invalid that's the end of my speech and and on we go so what i mean by that is no so if you look at people who grew up in muslim countries tend to be muslim whether regardless of race if middle eastern muslim there are certain countries in eastern europe where it's white muslim countries so in general people who grew up in muslim households tend to be muslim people who grew up in christian households atheist households and so on right so the content of the mind tends to be shaped by language by culture by your parents by your schools and from that standpoint we can't say that anyone is born a muslim or is born a christian or is born an atheist or anything like that that tends to be what comes into your mind from your environment and i don't want to speak speak endlessly if there's something you disagree with so is there something you disagree with that.
[1:11:57] I said so far that seems about to be my how i conceptualize this this this issue
[1:12:02] Okay so that is the content of the mind the form of the mind is combined it has components of environment free will and genetics right so i'm not a pure geneticist of course because i believe in free will i don't believe that free will encompasses every aspect of the brain because free will is a component of consciousness but it cannot fundamentally change the brain.
[1:12:31] So, there's environment, there are genetics, and then there is choice. Now, as a philosopher, as a moral philosopher in particular, I focus on choice.
[1:12:40] So, for instance, I've never said to anyone, listening to me will raise your IQ. Why? Because IQ is largely genetic. It's been clocked at about 80% genetic by your late teens, 80 to 85%, and it goes upward from there. If you get sort of the twin studies with people near the end of their life, the overwhelming majority of iq is genetic so that is to some degree beyond it's not entirely but it's to a large degree beyond the capacity of philosophy to tinker with uh there is no aspect of personality that is unaffected by genetics again that doesn't define us but it's an important component so if you look at things that are 100 genetic like eye and hair color clearly i can't say to people listen to my show and you can pick your eye color, including plaid, right? That's not a thing that would happen. I can't say if your children listen to moral philosophy, they'll grow to be six inches taller, right? Because that's all 100% genetic. So the blank slate theory says that all differences between ethnicities and sexes and whatever, that all differences in outcome are 100% the result of bigotry. In other words, everyone is identical, and this is true within classes as well, like sexes, races, classes, and so on. All the differences in outcomes are the result of prejudice, bigotry, evil, and exploitation.
[1:14:08] So why is there a capitalist who makes money and a bunch of workers who make less money, right? Now, the argument from a sort of philosophical or free market perspective is.
[1:14:21] Assuming he the guy didn't just inherit the factory right is that you've got a guy who's probably very smart who's very ambitious who's willing to take risks and is probably a bit of a psycho workaholic you know like elon musk style and and that plus some luck plus you know the right place the right time and some good investment is why he ends up running the factory and this is uh jordan peterson has talked about this as has a lot of people this is called the Pareto principle, which is that the square root, in a meritocracy, the square root of any group of people produces half the value. So in a company of 10,000 people, a hundred of them produce half the value.
[1:14:58] That's just, it's a weird magic multiplier. I mean, it's like the Brad Pitt phenomenon.
[1:15:01] There could be, you know, thousands of people in a Brad Pitt movie, but Brad Pitt is producing half the value because people would just go see the movie because Brad Pitt is in it. So there are some people who are just crazy magic productivity machines and this is in every field known to man where there's a meritocracy of course in sports 95 of the money goes to 5 of people in music 95 of the money goes to 5 of the people uh in in acting in writing in novel writing you name it in in modeling in porn whatever like whatever fields you look at where there's a good meritocracy and not you know crazy amounts of government interference 90 percent five percent of the money goes to five percent of the people now on the left they say well look if everyone's the same why is one person getting paid more because they're exploitive and evil right and and that's the answer and that is a you know i actually did this research not too long ago which is do leftists come disproportionately from younger or youngest siblings and the answer is yes right because um for a variety of reasons but it is one of it's a child's view of things right why does so and so have more well he just took it right if you all go out with with to do trick or treat and some kid ends up two days later with a bunch more candy he must have stolen it Okay, so whatever, right?
[1:16:25] So if someone has more, they must have stolen it from me, is a very immature and childish perspective. The adult perspective is to say.
[1:16:33] There are some people who just have great instincts for business they're probably born with it i mean a friend of mine who's a great businessman was hustling selling light up necklaces at concerts when he was in his teens i remember being 14 years old lining up all night to get michael jackson tickets so i could sell them for some money there are some people who just have a good knack for business and they're very hard working they instinctively understand customers they're good leaders they they have a good finger on the pulse of the market even if they can't explain why and they just produce stuff that's crazy, crazy valuable. You know, Brad Pitt or other actors who are famous just have this weird, you know, he's got the face of a thug and a poet and he's got this weird eerie calm and centeredness and so on. Plus, he's a really good actor. So he's just somebody you want to watch. You know, if you've ever gone to see a play, you know, usually someone you can't take your eye off for whatever reason. They just have that magnetism and nobody can really explain it and everybody wants it. So when it comes to the blank slate, sure, Sure. I fill people up with, you have free will, you can make choices. I don't believe that genetics determine morality. I think that is something that is more like culture. We can choose to be better. We can choose to be more honest. We can choose to be more courageous. We can choose to do more good in the world. So that's my general pitch.
[1:17:51] It seems like the way you're overcoming the idea of the blank slate is because of that free will element right so like yeah you can look at it from the perspective of like say like a marxist is going to look at it like historical materialism and material relations that's really what's forming all of how your outcomes are coming in but it's like yeah but wait a second you can choose to do otherwise at any given moment you can initiate the thought that would get you from one one place that you may be in into another it's particularly philosophy that actually kind of equips you with being able to flex that free will muscle, right?
[1:18:27] Well, and it's also, I don't know if you've, my brother and I used to have these talks when we were very little, you know, what would you do with a million pounds? You know, we grew up in England, right? And everyone has this belief that if you just have a lot of money, you're happy. And so that's kind of a child's view, right?
[1:18:42] Reason equals virtue equals happiness. In order to be happy, you have to be virtuous. And in order to be virtuous, you have to be rational to make sure you're not contradicting yourself and doing evil inadvertently. So it is virtue that brings happiness and virtue may bring money but that's somewhat coincidental or incidental and so by focusing on free will and moral philosophy i'm hopefully giving people the greatest good in life which is virtue which leads to love which leads to integrity which leads to happiness and so it is a child's perspective to say well the rich people are always, happy and it's like no there are lots of miserable rich people and there are lots of people who don't have money, who are really happy. And most people over the course of their lives go in and out of money, you know, like that old song, we're in and we're out of the money. And there have been times when I've been broke, there have been times when I've made some money. And I wouldn't say that foundationally, one is better than the other. I mean, one has more choices, but also more responsibilities. And one has more leisure, but less money. And so it's all just a trade-off. And so by focusing on free will and virtue, I aim to deliver to people the greatest good in life, which is moral excellence which is the only way to fall in love and to stay in love and to have a clean conscience which is the greatest gift to feel like you've done good in the world so the but but as far as explaining economic differences differences in influence and so on.
[1:20:10] The blank slate leads people to rage and resentment and it leads i'm not kidding to this It leads to massive slaughters of tens or hundreds of millions of human beings. And I did a documentary on Hong Kong, coincidentally, right before COVID. So I had a lot of early information on COVID. And in that documentary, I sort of talk about this problem of envy, right? So if you have decided to not work as hard in your life and you like playing cards and you like having naps, and it's fine. There's no issue no problem with that but you're just not going to make as much money as the guy who gets up at dawn and and reads and learns and studies and and practices and and just works really really hard so what happens is later the guy who's worked harder can have his money taken away and given to you but the leisure that you had in the past can't be taken and given to the guy because it's all in the past right the money is because it's stored up it's available for transfer in the present so what happens is there are always sophists who come along where there or economic disparities, and they come along and they say.
[1:21:15] Hey, man, you know why that rich guy on the hill has the big house, all the land, and the beautiful wife, and all of the silk clothing, and all of the money and influence? You know why he has that? Because he stole from your father and his father, and he's a thief and an exploiter, and we should drag him out and stick him on a spike and take his land. Right? And it's pretty hard to resist that if you're a resentful guy who's upset about the rich guy having worked harder. And, you know, maybe it's not like all wealth is legitimately earned. Of course, there is central banking, but in general, that's kind of the way it works. And so the problem is the blank slate theory comes out of a desire to just steal stuff.
[1:21:59] And if you point out that, you know, this guy has high IQ, this guy is incredibly hardworking, he's incredibly conscientious, and his wealth has actually helped the community because by produced by he's a fantastic farmer, which is why he can bid more for the land. Which means that more food gets produced, which means the price of food goes down, so you're wealthier because of his excellence. Well, resentful people who've made bad mistakes in their life always want someone to come along and tell them it wasn't their fault, and I'll go get your money back for you. And the blank slate theory is designed to serve that kind of predation and exploitation, both from the relatively less successful and the people who want to rule them through resentment, through socialist power, if that makes sense.
[1:22:42] Absolutely bitch in response. Yeah, I'm picking up what you're putting down, and I really like it. So most of the time whenever I ask this question, I'm like my fellow philosophy bro types. It's normally just the normal, traditional approaches at it. I like the idea of swapping out the idea of the blank slate for the emphasis on the free will and the emphasis on the focus of, no, there are different options that you can choose, primarily reason, virtue, and just ethics. I love it. So I think you answered my question wonderfully.
[1:23:15] Well thanks man i uh good friend techno barbarian is back i assume that he's having trouble uh getting his um uh twitter spaces activated with his giant club with a nail through it, tb are you oh no no he's got an error too all right sean sean of the dead you are on the show what is on your mind my friend speak friend and enter.
[1:23:38] Wait wait wait wait you hear me yes oh first of all hey steven very big fan very big fan oh thank you i oh you caught me off guard here can you hear me all right yeah just making sure i'm in the car i
[1:23:53] Can hear you just fine my friend.
[1:23:54] I read i read the art of the argument that was a really good book um i've been listening to you for 10 years uh i could say that your r versus K sexual selection theory series was life changing for me. Uh boy they say never meet your heroes man so anyway i'm glad well
[1:24:16] No they say never meet your heroes because your heroes are disappointing so i will aim to not disappoint you and we should be fine.
[1:24:22] You know another thing is uh uh man that first guy that first guy you got on there oh
[1:24:29] Please don't bring him back to my.
[1:24:31] Mind i
[1:24:32] Already feel the need to hide my daughter from him.
[1:24:35] I'm sorry to go off on this one but i was screaming the whole time what if the girl instead of she was 16 it was five years old and i'm thinking there's no way there's no way and my god there's a way apparently and then you brought it up what if she's six years old and i'm like oh man well anyway i had it written out what i wanted to ask you um let's see did i get it here okay so you were saying something about the uh first i want to just say something about the guys I'll get to the question here real quick. You're saying how all the men basically, you know, sexually selected themselves out by not saying no to the women. I'm thinking about World War II and all the good men that ended up getting called in those wars.
[1:25:22] Which leads me to something you said on Twitter the other, I think it was yesterday. And it just slapped me in the face with how profound it was. And I'm sorry, I'm probably going to get you in trouble with some of the audience here. But it was women plus power equals socialism. And then you went off on another part of it, the next part of it, which was men plus power is fascism.
[1:25:51] And then not to just leave it alone. Somebody says, what's the balance? And you just hit me right in the head with this one. There is no balance. Can you and it just it's such a profound thing I just
[1:26:11] I cannot, I mean, first of all, now that you said it, I cannot unsee it. You hit the nail on the head, and I'm not trying to, like, keep praise on you or anything. But, man, can you expand on that? Because it just got me thinking, like, how do you navigate that reality? Because you're right. There is no in-between. I cannot see the in-between.
[1:26:34] Well, that's a great question. And it's funny, this sort of hive mind of free domain. I mean, you're contributing massively, and I really appreciate that, Sean, because when I was writing that tweet, there is no balance, I was like, I should explain myself. And then I was like, no, I shouldn't. And I honestly sat there for a couple of minutes like, should I explain myself or not? And I'm glad that I didn't, but I'm also glad you brought it up, so I appreciate that. So yes femininity plus political power is a forced redistribution of wealth for the simple reason that women's instincts are from each according to their ability to each according to their needs i mean this is how families work in in evolutionary terms and even to a large degree in the present which is the ability of the man is to go out and hunt and get resources and and fight off the enemies and so on. So he comes home with a, I don't know, a couple of rabbits and whatever, right? So he's got the ability to do that from each according to his ability to each according to their needs. Well, that's the children. The children can't go and hunt themselves. And the woman who's taking care of the children or maybe pregnant or breastfeeding can't go and hunt or menstruating. She can't go and hunt.
[1:27:48] So from each according to their ability to each according to their need, that's how families work. And it's a beautiful thing in the family. And it really can't work any other way because babies are so helpless right you know the first year of the baby's life referred to the fourth trimester because they're just completely useless and and you know kind of death and disease magnets so women have the instinct to take from the stronger and give to the weaker and they do that with siblings all the time so if you have a bunch of siblings and a fixed amount of food if you just lay all the food out then the older siblings are going to elbow the The younger siblings aside, get all the food. The younger siblings don't get enough. And the younger siblings might die either directly from just being hungry or they might die because they don't get enough food and therefore they're weak in state and they're more susceptible to infections and viruses and this kind of stuff. So a woman's instinct, and it's a beautiful, wonderful, it's why we're all here. I have no issue with the instinct. Everything that got us here is glorious. So a woman's instinct is to say, like, what do they always say? The vulnerable, the marginalized, the underdog, the poor, the helpless, the hopeless, like all of the underdog stuff is it triggers women to want to redistribute resources because they view.
[1:29:03] Underprivileged people, marginalized people, whatever you want to call them, they view them as helpless babies and toddlers that stuff needs to be taken from the more competent and given to the less competent to the more aggressive and given to the less aggressive, because that's how you keep younger siblings alive. And that's a beautiful thing. I, as a younger sibling myself, I very much appreciate women's instincts with regards to this. So when you take women's instincts to redistribute resources based upon from each according to their ability to each according to their needs and force is viable and fine with that in fact it's necessary if the older kid, grabs a bunch of food and runs off into the forest the mom has to go down chase him down pry the food out of his house and give it to the younger siblings because the younger siblings can't or she sends the man to do it get back here right this is a always reminded of again 1984 which I listened to before writing my last novel, The Future, which was, you know, he takes the candy from his sister and runs away because there's no parents around or at least nobody who can do anything about it. So when you take women's instinct to take from those who have ability and give to those who have need and you combine that with political power, you get socialism and communism because that's what happens. Does that make sense from that side of the equation?
[1:30:26] Yes, it does. And probably I should, to interrupt it, maybe we should start off when you get into the fascism side. What is the definition of fascism? Because obviously there's a lot of propaganda. But yeah, I understand your position on the, I understand the position of the socialism, why it's good for the family, why it can be, well, I guess the unrestrained, why it can be problematic in politics.
[1:30:52] All right. So fascism, I mean, the technical definition of fascism is private ownership of the means of production and state control over the economy. So nominal private property in terms of ownership of the means of production. Socialism, communism is the government owns the means of production. In fascism, it is corporations that nominally own the means of production, but they pay a lot of taxes and they're largely controlled by the state for the, quote, good of the people. So that's sort of the technical definition. But if you look at the actual characteristics of fascism, it tends to be a brutal eugenics meritocracy with no particular empathy. So this is why when you get fascists in, they tend to kill crazy people and disabled people, and this is raw, brutal, genetic meritocracy with no particular compassion or empathy. Now, men, as a whole, we like the meritocracy because that's how we survive. So, for instance, if you and I go hunting and you're a much better shot, we only have one gun, and you're a much better shot than I am, who gets the gun?
[1:32:09] Well, you know, logic dictates, I get the gun.
[1:32:12] Yeah, you get the gun. You don't give this, if you've got one spear, you don't give it to the guy who's got one roomy eye and a bad arm because he's just going to scare away the, you're going to starve to death. So men survive by excluding the less competent from ownership, from leadership, and from control over the means of production, whether it's a spear or whatever, right? So if you think of a sports team, like the NBA or whatever it is, they rigorously won't take people who aren't good. You suck, get out of here, right? And the classic example of this that most people have experienced, I don't know if it's still allowed anymore under the gynocentric schools, but the classic example of this, of course, is lining up. Did you ever do this thing where you're going to play baseball and there's two team captains and they pick the kids?
[1:33:04] Yeah, I was always picked last.
[1:33:06] Right, so you always pick lust. Now, for women, that makes them very sad. And come on, give him a chance. He's not going to get better if you don't play with him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Come on. And you see this with moms with their older brothers playing baseball, and it's like, oh, let your younger brother play, or let your little sister play. And it's like, well, we don't want to, because then we can't play well, and we've got to accommodate, and all this kind of stuff. right? So, but for men, it's life or death. It's can you hunt? In war, who gets the weapon? Well, the guy who's best with the weapon. The guy who's the best archer is the guy who gets the longbow. Or even if everyone has a longbow, he's the guy who gets the most arrows. Because it's literally life or death. Because if your opponents as a man are on a raw meritocracy, and you're not, you're going to get killed. You're either going to die, your tribe's going to die, you're going to kill, your kids are going to get killed, your women are going to get raped. Like it's, we cannot afford sentimentality. We cannot afford to give the scarce resources to the less competent people. Does that make sense?
[1:34:07] Yes, it does.
[1:34:09] Now, the merging of the two, right? Women have gone to extremes of empathy and men have gone to extremes of raw meritocracy because together you create a meritocracy with some empathy, which is a good combination. Like, yes, you need a raw meritocracy, but not a violent, brutal, genetic, eugenics kind of meritocracy. At the same time, you need sympathy, but not at the expense of excellence and competence, right? So men and women have gone to some kind of extremes because together they're balanced.
[1:34:39] And so when you have men and women separated and then combined with political power, you get these extremes as a whole. So there is no balance because the problem is the toxicity of political power.
[1:34:54] Women, if their empathy is constrained to the family, it's beautiful. If their empathy is combined with political power, it becomes absolutely brutal and toxic. Men's desire for excellence and a raw meritocracy is beautiful because it means that the most competent men get the best resources, which means the tribe gets wealthier and stronger. Combine that with political power, though, it becomes brutal and violent and allows sadists to perform their ghastly liquidation programs. So there is no balance. What is the balance? I mean, this is the whole left-right spectrum, right? Well, what do you want? Fascism or communism? Well, I want something in the middle. And it's like, what is in the middle between fascism and communism? Something that's drifting one way or the other. The pendulum just gets wider and wider as we saw in Nazi Germany, right? Where communism was about to take over and they jumped into the evil arms of the National Socialists, which had more fascistic tendencies. So there is no balance. It's like saying, how can we use evil? How can we use two extremes of evil to produce good? How can two poisons produce health? Well, the cut, there is no balance. The problem is political power. Does that make sense?
[1:36:07] Yeah, I totally agree. I see political power as, you know, kind of like that, what they say, the necessary evil. So now I'm seeing it. It's just, if you put political power into the equation, it just, because what political power is, you just get to influence other people's lives against their will. I see what you're saying.
[1:36:31] Right okay well i hope that makes sense and techno barbarian um i'm intrigued by the name uh let's give you one more try and then we'll take one one i think one other person so thank you everyone going once going twice did hopefully you don't get your technical error again did maybe you try uh oh no you because you have to be on a phone to okay twitter i love you to death and i hate to be just back and nagging you but if there's any way that you could allow people to run twitter spaces without having to use a phone be great steven can you hear me all right going once going twice yes sir so um welcome back by the way and thank you um i was wondering do you think that this like it seems like the you know the pendulum has shifted and politically it's you know these ideas that you've brought forward for many years are becoming in vogue and i just was wondering if could talk about that a little bit do you feel i mean do you think people are going to continue on these other platforms to try to smother you or do you think given the meta have having changed that you know we'll see a your return across platforms i don't know about across platforms and the goal that i have in the world just to you know lift the lid on sort of my secret thoughts.
[1:37:56] The goal that I have in the world is to prevent the pendulum from swinging too far.
[1:38:01] So we've had a pendulum swing towards pathological altruism, which is massive outgroup preference and hatred to history and culture that you live in. Now, the tendency, of course, is going to be for a reaction to be so strong that it It swings towards potential, as we talked about, sort of raw, horrible, coercive, meritocratic semi-fascism, right? Now, my goal, and I know it's a crazy goal, and maybe it'll work. Most likely it won't, but I absolutely have to try because I would feel wretched if I didn't.
[1:38:40] Is to try to get people to recognize that swinging from one extreme of political power to another is only going to continue to escalate until society tears itself apart and we enter a new age of technocratic barbarism and hyper control because of ai and robots and technology which i talked about in the first twitter spaces a couple of days ago so my goal is to you know like we see this in parenting right in the past it was a very very aggressive dominant uh parenting and violent parenting and then you go all the way to like i'm just my kid's friend and and i can't have any authority and this sort of hyper permissive unparenting or uh you know and and you gotta find some way to be in the middle it's sort of like if you have the choice between sitting on the couch every day and getting soft and flabby and your bones disintegrating in your flesh or going out and exercising until you tear tendons and cause massive damage. Well, what's the, you want to stop somewhere in the middle. Don't sit on the couch all day. Don't exercise so hard that you hurt yourself because, you know, both of those are bad for you.
[1:39:47] So it is sort of my goal to try and get things to stop in the middle. Now, if it's swinging from hard left to hard right, then if it's swinging that way, people on the hard right will be mad at me, whereas before people on the hard left were mad at me. So it's okay to be, people who are addicted to violence are going to get mad at me because I preach non-aggression principle, which is not to say no violence, it just means no initiation of the use of force. So my goal is to have things, find a way to arrest things in the middle. So we went from a hyper deference to women, which is the age of chivalry, to, you know, and I know it's not Twitter is not the world, right? It's a subsection. And the people who comment on my posts are a subsection even, but you can see that there's a lot of hostility towards the female in society. And I think that rank chivalry and endless deference to women is not healthy. I also think, of course, that hostility towards women as a whole in general is not healthy. So my goal is to try and get the pendulum to stop in the middle it's a mighty endeavor and a back-breaking endeavor and it may be sisyphean in terms of its futility but uh that is certainly my my goal and if it doesn't stop the pendulum this time hopefully it will stop it next time uh which may be after i'm long gone does that make sense yeah that's.
[1:41:08] I mean it seems to make sense it's almost like a comic like a good comic it's easy to try and.
[1:41:14] It's like that would make a good comic like a rich environment uh would be to try to go against you know the swinging pendulum right you're like trying to stop the momentum so yeah that sounds awesome well it's funny you talk about that because of course that is the role of court gestures uh not that i'm a comedian of course but i was in the play king lear and the court jester is trying to stop the pendulum in the middle right and he's unable to do so from from massive vanity to absolutely being crushed as a human being which is what king lear goes through and he's trying to that should not have been old before they were wise he's trying to you know she loved you in her own way he's trying to reason with the king through comedy the king doesn't listen and then the fool disappears after the storm scene because it's just too grim after that so trying to get people to stop in the middle rather than react to the extremes is my goal certainly there are a lot of people who love fueling those extremes and there are people like me who i'm an absolute voice of moderation we'll see i of course it's a free will situation so i can't tell for sure but I really do appreciate the question. All right. Men are speaking. I feel that we too should have a conversation just in terms of ball clanks. So if you want to unmute, you are live with me.
[1:42:44] Men are speaking. Oh, sorry. Ironically, is not speaking. Yes, sir. Go ahead.
[1:42:48] Hello. Can you hear me now? Yes, sir. Wonderful. Wonderful. I'm so glad that you brought up this subject and i think it's blindsiding a lot of people who were wait
[1:42:57] Which subject oh.
[1:42:58] Well the subject of balance right stopping the pendulum from swinging okay i
[1:43:03] Wasn't sure if you were talking about something earlier but.
[1:43:05] No no absolutely absolutely no it's um It's been quite a journey for me, right, seeing, you know, being married for 15 years or so. And I see the pendulum is not helping men very much right now at all. And I feel like they're, I think the opposite of this sort of matriarchal social world is this hyper competitive techno, I don't know, techno broism, where everyone is trying to be absolute peak masculine, peak male, peak, everything's optimized and the best. And it's almost soulless in a way and i think i think us men are designed to do that like we're designed to be
[1:43:44] Well and sorry to interrupt i i know that you you want to speak and i don't want to steamroll you at all so very very briefly uh like there was a guy who posted on twitter today he's like well i like being alone it's like sure because you're young yes i saw that and and listen when when you get old so i don't want to give everyone too many details but i had a bad reaction to something medical, it was a medicine, and I was like, oh, my God, this is wretched. And my wife happened to be away, and I was like on the floor, and I was like sick as a dog, and I was like, and the thought struck me. I mean, it all passed, and I'm fine and all of that, but the thought really struck me as like, man, you know, there are people who spend the last 20 years in and out of sickness, and nobody's there for them, and it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're young, you're healthy, you're strong, good for you, man, but you kind of got to build life for the last quarter or the last third as well because it's a long ass time to be alone if you're sick and you need things and everybody starts to have health issues when they get old and you know and then you can't rewind and suddenly get a pair bond out of nowhere so sorry.
[1:44:44] Go no absolutely no it's it goes right into that vein too because i think even the last third of your life is is actually pretty pretty generous right like midlife is is probably about when the loneliness sets in because you start to realize like i have no one i'm necessarily doing this for except for maybe business partners And if you have a really good career, that's great. But for my marriage...
[1:45:05] Well, no, is it though? Is it though? So the other thing, sorry to interrupt again, but the other thing that happens is you get old and let's say you've made a bunch of money, right? Let's say you've got, I don't know, a couple of million bucks, right? You're a wealthy guy, right? And you're old and you're retired. And then what? I can go travel. Okay, you can go see a bunch of stuff with your roomy old eyes and your stiff knees and no one's there to share it with. And so even all of this money, like the Jimbro culture and the money and the excellence and the, you know, whatever it is, it's like, okay, that's fine. But what for? What for? What's it for? When you're young, you're just pushing like crazy against the tide. You get to middle age and you start to say, okay, well, what is all of this for? And your money isn't going to make you happy when you're old and you can't buy love. Absolutely.
[1:45:47] Your social status isn't going to be that much of a comfort. And really the only thing that seems to give life lasting meaning is I've impacted those who you have a close bond with. So for my wife, she's a housewife. She doesn't have to work or anything. I just like seeing her write her book and make stuff for etsy and she's happy and she's kind of my oasis like i go out and i used to be a second
[1:46:09] Hang on hang on hang on oh sure do you guys have kids.
[1:46:12] No kids can't we unfortunately can't we can't
[1:46:15] And uh what what which decade are you in in your life.
[1:46:17] I'm i'm 37 so and
[1:46:20] Is your wife a similar age and was there uh and please don't talk about anything you're uncomfortable with so be sure to tell me that i'm being intrusive and rude that's totally fine well why didn't you have kids.
[1:46:32] We can't unfortunately oh
[1:46:35] I'm so sorry.
[1:46:36] For that it wasn't the cards really really sympathize with yeah absolutely no worries right
[1:46:40] Okay and uh what does your i mean is there community stuff that she does the good because women can just be absolute bedrocks to a a beautiful community uh life is it that kind of stuff she gets involved in or is there something else.
[1:46:53] Uh she does not right she does not she actually is a high functioning autistic right so she's a little bit different but no she she does get involved with like the uh the convention um like circuit and everything she makes stuff to go there she usually goes on to different like comic cons and stuff she's an artist there um for me i'm actually the the usually the community builder uh we're in tennessee now rural tennessee and uh it's i guess what i was saying earlier is that um she she is kind of my rock that keeps all sorts of meaning because I'll go out there and do really challenging stuff and I sometimes just need to slow down and enter a world where it's just basic happiness, right? Like she's made a new design, a new piece of art. It has no function or anything like that. It's pretty good art, but I could see how much fun she had making it. And I get to share in that joy. And despite the fact that, you know, I could go through just about anything, but if she's happy, that kind of carries me through. I just don't know if a lot of young people really know what that's like.
[1:47:52] Well, and I think it's great that you have it. I would be very careful, though, because if you are putting all of your eggs in one basket with regards to companionship, and normally you would spread it with children, you haven't adopted kids, and all of that, which I understand it's a challenging process. But if one of you gets sick, and one of you is statistically most likely to die before the other, and statistically it's going to be you, brother, because, you know, women live sort of five to seven years longer. So I would, in your time in life, and, you know, I hate to be any kind of nag, but if I were in your shoes, I would look at trying to create some sort of more stable community that can sustain me or most likely your wife when you get older. Because if one of you goes, in particular, if she's a high-functioning autistic, if you go, what's she going to do? And you will go, most likely, before her. So it's just a little something in terms of just, it doesn't have to be tomorrow or next year, but just think, you know, I'm here to sort of remind you of the last bits of life. Hopefully it's not the last bits of my life, but, you know, pushing 60 and having a quarter century on you, I would say that you have to work to build some kind of community because you will not last most likely forever with each other.
[1:49:07] Right. Okay. Thank you so much for your time, by the way, and giving that suggestion. I'll definitely do something. Move on it. Yeah. We have a large extended Asian family, so my family is really involved, but I don't think that's enough. I think it needs to be a bit more. I think you're right.
[1:49:23] Good. Good. All right. Is there anything else you wanted to mention at the moment? And we can talk again.
[1:49:28] Oh, yeah, sure. I'm looking forward to more of these spaces. I just want to impress the idea that a lot of these guys think that they haven't figured out that men are the best and there's no place for women and women's brains. You know, a person's got a case of a woman brain. And it's fun to make jokes and everything. But women do perform a different function. And I'm trying to explore that on my own YouTube channel, trying to figure out, like, what are – like, we can't constantly be going to war with ourselves. Like, I see the left-right rift as the same thing. It's just different personality types, but we can't systematically sideline an entire personality or an entire gender, every generation.
[1:50:01] No, of course not. And people forget, of course, that men were politically in charge when the First World War happened, and it wasn't the result of female voting. And that was one of the greatest, arguably the greatest disaster that ever befell the Western world. Okay. I can do one more person. Sunday. Sunday, chatty Sunday. day all right my friend if you want to unmute you are oh my gosh they came and they left they came and they left all right let's go with rubber val rubber val you can be bring us home baby bring us home with a glorious last conversation i'm i'm all ears, all right herxing hello and yes sir can you hear me.
[1:50:47] Yes i'm on linux hopefully the the driver's working um hey Stef um yes it is such a honor to speak with you i've been listening to your show for a long time and um i actually never use twitter you back on twitter so i'm back on twitter i never have a use for twitter until until you back on do you hear
[1:51:07] That twitter people are coming back for a little old me so i appreciate that thank you very much and it's a great pleasure to chat with you what's on your mind.
[1:51:13] Yeah so i feel a little bit upset because you've been back on twitter i know it's the right decision it's a practical decision but for some reason i just i just feel sad that um we lost like idealists idealists like you and i have lost because i know you said that um we're gonna have a fulfill your three requirements for you to be back but But I think that's BS, Stef. Twitter did not apologize. Twitter did not make a commitment to not ban you again. And Twitter did not. I forgot what's the third one. I'm so nervous. I can't remember the third one.
[1:51:53] No, no. You're doing fine. You're doing fine. But go ahead with your point, please.
[1:51:57] Yeah, so Stef, you're back on Twitter because it's a practical decision because you're going to get more audience and you're going to have a bigger reach. And um and and that's it I mean I don't you saying that um and and the whole idea of implicit apology I mean maybe I misunderstand that would I think you need to do a whole show on that because that confused me I know that was the point that your daughter made that it's a implicit apology I'm thinking words to me I know you're saying we live in deeds not in words but words are there for a reason. I mean, I mean, um, The only way to know someone apologizes is for them to say it, right? I mean, can the action cover the words? I don't know. Can you just talk about that, how the action can just cover the word? They don't have to say it. It could just be implicit.
[1:52:59] Well, sure. Sure, and I think the difference, of course, between a personal relationship and a professional relationship is the issue of legal liability. And again, I'm no lawyer, so this is just my amateur opinion, but from my understanding, it would be foolish legally for Twitter to provide some apology to me because that would be an admission of liability, which could also cover not just me, but other people as well. So if the apology for various legal reasons which may or may not be valid again i'm no lawyer but if the apology is not possible in other words let's say let's say that i mean not elon musk but let's just say bob bob who works at twitter is is wretchedly sorry about what twitter did oh he's so sorry he's so sorry right and he just wants to apologize and he wants to give me some ad credits and make a commitment to not ban me unless I violate the First Amendment or get convicted of some whatever, right? So let's say Bob is like, he just, I really want a public apology to Stef and we want to do all these things. And then he, but he can't make that decision, right? So Bob would go to legal, right? And he would say, this is what I want to do. And again, I'm no lawyer, but I'm going to guess that legal would say.
[1:54:15] Sorry, Bob, you can't do that because that exposes the company to too much liability through an admission of fault. So if the apology is impossible because it can't be done legally or it exposes the company to too much liability, what are reasonable substitutes for an apology? Now, an apology plus restitution are two sides of the same thing because restitution could also, again, I'm guessing legally no lawyer but i think restitution could be considered an admission of guilt right so, if restitution and an apology are not possible in this situation and remember i did formulate my arguments for personal relationships not necessarily for professional relationships where legal has to say and legal liability is you know especially in litigious happy america is kind of constantly hanging over people. So, if those two standards are impossible, then the commitment to have it not happen again is the only standard that remains. And so.
[1:55:28] Has Twitter, and in particular Elon Musk, who is really driving this stuff, has Twitter acted in an honorable fashion regarding freedom of speech over the last couple of years? I can't remember. I think it was maybe two years ago that my account was restored. And so if Twitter has had an honorable commitment to free speech, and Elon Musk, who is obviously in charge of Twitter has repeatedly and emphatically, to the point of cussing people out, which I'm fine with, has affirmed his commitment to free speech. The company has practically affirmed a significant commitment to free speech, including unbanning my account. And Twitter is, as far as I know, as far as I remember, I don't think there's an exception, Twitter is the only company that has unbanned my account. So is that enough of a commitment to free speech that I have a reasonable expectation that unless I do something crazy, which I'm not going to do, that I have a reasonable expectation of continuing on Twitter? Yes. So I think that's my sort of reasoning. and i'm certainly happy to hear any criticisms of that that that you may have i.
[1:56:49] Mean your your reasoning is like i said Stef i think it's okay to cave you cave a little bit i mean twitter twitter has all the leverage
[1:57:00] Okay bro bro come on don't don't just don't just start off with an insult i mean if i did cave i'd like but you can't just say i caved after i provide a whole hang on hang on Yeah, it is an insult. It is an insult. No, it is an insult. It's not a good thing to cave. If you say to someone, you totally caved, is there anyone who would receive that as a compliment?
[1:57:20] It does sound like an insult, but when I say it's not an insult, I really- It is an insult.
[1:57:24] Don't give me the sounds like I'm not arguing with a tween.
[1:57:27] I'm not good with- Right?
[1:57:28] It is an insult. Just own it. Because you already said, Stef, basically, and listen, I'm fine with this, but earlier you said, basically, Stef, you're lying about why you came back to Twitter. Right? You think you have all these arguments, but you just want to increase your reach. Now, listen, maybe I have some nefarious motive that I'm not aware of or something like that. But I mean, I'll take one across the chin, but two, we got a problem. And the problem is not that you think I'm doing something wrong or bad, or I'm caving or I'm lying about my reasons for coming back to Twitter. That's fine. But you got to make a case for it. You can't just kind of insult me and just move on without making the case. Insult me, that's fine. I've got no problem with being insulted maybe i'm doing something wrong but you can't just insult me as if you've made the case right because that's not fair.
[1:58:16] Okay.
[1:58:17] So make the case. Make the case that I've caved or I'm being hypocritical or that I'm lying about my reasons for coming back to Twitter. And, you know, if you can make the case and you've got some proof that I'm lying about my reasons for coming back to Twitter, then I don't think I am. But I will certainly fess up and work to do better in the future. But you can't just say that I'm caving and lying and so on without making a case because, you know, then we have a problem.
[1:58:43] Okay. You demand an apology. So, I know you're saying that legally. Come on. Elon Musk is a smart guy. Come on. He could find a sneaky way of apologizing without causing legal issues. Come on. And everybody knows what Twitter been doing in the past.
[1:58:57] Okay. Magic. Magical thinking is not an argument. Saying that he can somehow bend or circumvent the law and go against. So, I don't know if you've ever been in charge of a company. I certainly have. and if you do something that damages the value of the company that was avoidable you can get sued for uh they call it malfeasance uh corporate malfeasance or shareholder malfeasance because you have and so so elon musk can't just make these decisions he has to run them past legal and he has to accept what legal says otherwise very very bad things can happen so don't don't create this magical world where he can somehow circumvent the law and circumvent the advice of his local council from.
[1:59:43] Your point of view there's no way you so you're thinking there's no way that elon musk could apologize without causing some you're saying it's impossible for him to apologize without causing some legal issue that's what you're saying i'm pretty
[1:59:56] Okay what did i say well hang on bro i just gave you a whole speech it's kind of annoying when i give a speech and then people just make things up what did i say i'm.
[2:00:04] Just summarizing what you're saying you're it's
[2:00:06] Impossible no no what did i did i ever say i know did i ever say i know for certain that it's impossible.
[2:00:15] Well, nothing is impossible. There's got to be a way for him to help.
[2:00:19] What did I? No, what did I say?
[2:00:22] I don't have to. I mean, that's the thing. You're doing the same thing you criticized Jordan Peterson of doing. We're using basic words. I'm not.
[2:00:28] No, I'm asking you to repeat back what I said.
[2:00:31] I did exactly what you said, but I kind of get an idea what you say. Sorry, my IQ is not.
[2:00:35] Okay. So, no, what you're doing, what you're doing, what you're doing, my friend, is you're creating what's called a straw man. I never said, I know for certain it's impossible. What I said was, my amateur understanding of the legal constraints are this. I don't know for sure. I'm not a lawyer, but that's my guess. I didn't say I know for certain that it's impossible. Come on, man. You've got to listen carefully if you're going to get it. Especially if you're going to insult people, you've got to quote them back correctly.
[2:01:01] For sure you did not say that. For sure. But I'm going to stand on the idea that.
[2:01:04] Did not say what? Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Did not say what?
[2:01:07] Yeah, you did not say that it's impossible for Elon Musk to avoid legal issues by admitting that he was wrong or stuff like that.
[2:01:16] Okay, so you mischaracterized and got wrong what I said.
[2:01:22] That's the thing. It's not necessary that I get this very specific technical correctly. You criticized Jordan Peterson on this.
[2:01:32] No, it is important that you quote me back accurately if you think that I'm wrong, because now you're in the wrong, because you've straw-manned my argument.
[2:01:41] This is a very basic conversation. I don't have to get every single trick, every single word correctly. This is a basic conversation. I think everybody understands what I'm saying, and I understand what you're saying as well.
[2:01:53] So you don't have to get anything correct, but I have to be perfect in my reasoning, and I'm lying about my reasoning. So you don't have the requirement to be accurate and honest about what i've said but i'm apparently am making a false statement about my reasons for going back to twitter so you have very very high standards for me but you can just get things wrong and it's no big thing right yes.
[2:02:15] I have a higher okay i mean yes i do have a higher standard for you because i mean you're a public figure so but again i'm not against you go
[2:02:26] Coming back well i i would suggest hang on my so i would I would suggest, I would suggest and strongly suggest, and I say this without any meanness or negativity, I really do. I would strongly suggest that you have the very highest standards for yourself and not worry so much about public figures. Because me being a public figure, let's say I get something wrong or I'm telling a lie or something like that.
[2:02:50] Doesn't particularly affect you as a whole, but if you lower your standards to the point where you can reverse someone's argument and you're not even bothered by it, well, that's going to have significant effects on your own integrity and in your own life. So you probably want to, you'll end up being happier. And I say this because I want to appeal to your greed, for your desire to be happy and to be trustworthy. Because if you don't listen to people and you mischaracterize what they say, you're going to end up in a lot of conflicts with people that are completely unnecessary. And so i would suggest i would suggest that you focus more on the virtues that you yourself can achieve and less upon nitpicking and getting wrong public figures who've made recent and good arguments so i do appreciate you coming by and just you know always always always aim for the most highest level of the highest level of integrity that you can achieve and don't worry so much about other people because then you give yourself excuses and try and hold other people to account, which tends to be kind of, and hang on, I'm still talking.
[2:03:50] It tends to be kind of an immature power play. So I appreciate you coming by, and thank you for your time. Listen, I'm always thrilled and happy to get corrections. The last thing I, you know, when my GPS says, no, I'm done with the talking, but when my GPS tells me you are going in the wrong direction, right, when my GPS tells me that, then I'm happy. I'm happy for my GPS to correct me, and if I'm going in the wrong direction in some fashion in my life uh and this is one of the reasons i love to uh do these public conversations and one of the reasons why uh i if you know i always say if you've got criticisms you know get to the front of the queue and let's let's have them out uh hang on i'm sorry you're not now you're not listening because i'd asked you to uh to let me finish and i said i was done with the conversation so uh let me just deal with that and sorry just getting through all of this.
[2:04:43] Uh, so, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm absolutely, uh, uh, thrilled to get corrections, but, um, if you're going to correct me, you need to accurately quote me and you need to not straw man because then, uh, it just turns into, unfortunately, a negative interaction, which is not necessary. Uh, if you, if you want to correct me as a public figure and as a philosopher and as guy who, you know, obviously has put a lot of time, effort and work into having, uh, consistency and integrity and so on, doesn't mean I'm perfect. Of course I can be corrected by anyone at any time, but if you can't even be bothered to get what I say accurately or to listen with care and attention to what it is that I say, I'm just not going to listen. And your goal then of correcting me is not achieved. So if you want to correct someone, got to listen very carefully, be prepared and tell them where they've gone wrong. So thank you everyone so much for dropping out tonight.
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