0:08 - Introduction to the Donor Section
14:41 - The Complexity of Relationships
15:58 - Understanding Trauma and Responsibility
26:56 - Superficial Charm and Hidden Pain
36:20 - Navigating Relationships and Self-Protection
38:18 - Closing Remarks and Future Discussions
In this episode, we dive deep into the complex issues surrounding relationships, personal responsibility, and the influence of past traumas on behavior. We explore the connections between the seemingly innocuous aspects of social interactions and the underlying psychological patterns that often dictate our choices in relationships. The discussion kicks off with a candid examination of how socio-political narratives manipulate emotions, particularly when it comes to family separation at borders, revealing the intricate relationship between moral outrage and the realities of individual choice.
Shifting gears, we scratch the surface of the experiences of individuals from rigid backgrounds, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, and how these structures rely on conformity and ostracism as tools for maintaining control. I draw on insights from my own work focused on ostracism and its implications for social behaviors and personal morality, while relating this to the broader context of our society's shifting moral landscape.
As we delve deeper into a listener's perspective, we dissect personal anecdotes related to romance and how past traumas manifest in relationships. I emphasize the necessity of recognizing the red flags in relationships marked by superficial charm, arguing that charm can often conceal deeper issues stemming from unresolved trauma. We explore the delicate balance of offering support and knowing when to protect oneself from emotional manipulation, dissecting the fine line between compassion and enabling destructive behaviors.
In discussing the historical context of influential literary figures like Ayn Rand, I articulate my own writing philosophy, advocating for vibrant characters that reflect genuine human experiences instead of mere ideological archetypes. This leads us into an examination of how personal narratives can lead us into self-deceit, particularly when contrasting superficial positivity with profound underlying struggles.
Throughout the conversation, I challenge the assumption that one can easily distinguish between deserving compassion and toxic behaviors in others, urging listeners to cultivate a robust sense of self-protection while pursuing personal growth. The importance of setting boundaries in relationships is highlighted as a crucial step toward emotional stability, especially when navigating connections fraught with past trauma.
As the episode concludes, I encourage listeners to reflect on their own experiences and the stories they hold, emphasizing the need for self-awareness in evaluating relationships and emotional dynamics. I wrap up by sharing my excitement for upcoming writing projects that aim to address these intricate themes from fresh angles, inviting the audience to join me in this ongoing exploration of the human condition.
[0:00] All right. Hi, everybody. This is the donor-only section of the show.
[0:09] Let me just, yeah, I think it's, yeah, it's down on Rumble because that's not a donation platform. Got it, got it, got it. And you can go, of course, thank you for your support. And let's keep chugging away here.
[0:26] And get on to your questions and comments. All right. So Jehovah's Witnesses, yeah, I mean, it's rough, man. You know, the family stuff is really interesting to me. All the people who are now massively concerned about, separating families at the border, the people get deported, which is not, right? I mean, it's that the children are going with the parents. The parents have a choice, right? If the parents get deported, they have the choice and say, your kids can come with you or they can stay with some designated person who's legal in America. And, of course, most times the parents would say, bring the kids with me. That's kind of how it works. But, of course, it's like family separation. Now, all of this family separation stuff, I mean, did they particularly care when your grandmother had to die alone while they were letting 7 million unvetted people and untested-for-COVID people into America? It's all just manipulation. Oh, what magic words can I use to get you to obey me? That's all it really comes down to. All right. So let's get you.
[1:38] Somebody says, I've heard many detailed stories. Oh, regarding death experiences. Fascinating, if true. The novel Passage deals with a firsthand experience of someone experiencing death, pulls from common elements, and fleshes it out. Fictional, but a good read. So, yeah, I mean, the Jehovah's Witnesses certainly do enforce conformity with ostracism. And it's funny because, of course, I wrote all about the power of ostracism in the production of moral conformity. I wrote all about ostracism in my books, Everyday Anarchy, Practical Anarchy, and then, of course, in my novel, The Future, because I'm all about the poetic names. My science fiction novel called The Future, and then the one that deals with current events is called The Present. But of course, The Present has two meanings, which is The Present to Rachel of her true self. So.
[2:35] It's funny, of course, that I talked for decades about ostracism, economic ostracism as the way to produce conformity, and then I was deplatformed. And I'm happy to be a proof of the power of ostracism. But yeah, it was not super fun at the time, although it's a better life now, for sure. I've never seen the show rescue mediums no douglas adams was my favorite writer he invented science fiction comedy yeah i dirk gentlys i never really got into but yeah i mean a lot of the um, um hitchhiker's guide series was very funny, he hated writing though man that guy hated writing he says i love the sounds of deadlines i love the wishing sound they make as they go past and he was so against writing that his um His publisher, I literally had to lock him in a hotel room and just tell him to write. Writing is really like throwing yourself out of a plane and assuming that there's going to be a parachute that's going to meet you halfway down. I'm, because I was just, just yesterday, I was, I'm working on chapter two of my new novel.
[3:52] And it, yeah, I'm just fleshing out the characters, how they talk. The present, I had whole detailed chapter notes for every chapter, and I had some flexibility in there, and so on.
[4:07] Uh this one i'm i'm more i mean i have a general outline of the story but for me if i go too mechanically with the story and just you know well this is what happens and this is what they say and this is what they do there's no particular life in the characters for me this is sort of like this sort of over-controlled ayn rand story uh where you know the characters are all following very detailed philosophical maps and processes and that's fine i mean i appreciate that kind of writing. I can't write like that. I couldn't spend 13 years working on a book like Atlas Shrugged or five years working on The Fountainhead. Great books. I have no complaints about them. I just, I need more spontaneity and liveliness in my characters. I need them to feel fully alive, not romantic representations of particular viewpoints, which is what Ayn Rand's characters were, right? And not prescriptions for action that she said their ideals perhaps to strive for. And I want as much vivid, spontaneous life in my characters as possible and that means not over-controlling for plot. And then it just feels like you're, you know, snapping your fingers trying to produce lightning or a fire and it's really tough. All right, thank you, Jules. All right, so...
[5:34] Let's see here. Yeah, if you want to get the subversion, read Ray Bradbury's short story about the baseball game. All right, let's see here. Dr. Laura's number one things men do to mess up their lives. Rescuing damsels in distress. You just end up with a distressed damsel. Yeah, it's true. Oh, this is the guy who was on the date. That makes sense, Stef. Thank you. I've been thinking it may be the fact that I'm a bad coach. I'm not a great philosophy. Maybe a philosopher. Maybe just good at best. However, I think I did well enough to see the tendency going on here. Well, okay. I mean, maybe, I mean, I'm not a great coach in some things. I think I'm pretty good at philosophy and self-knowledge, but I'm not a great coach at other things. I would not be great at teaching someone chess theory.
[6:28] So, I mean, you don't have to be a great coach to recognize when somebody is not interested in the sport. Does bringing it on themselves include how they vote? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. If people vote for disastrous policies, I mean, that's bad. Obviously, that's bad for you. That's bad for me. That's bad as a whole. But it is fantastic because you no longer have to have any sympathy for their suffering, right? So women who complain that this is unsafe, it's unsafe. It's like, well, what did you vote for? Okay, well, if you voted for policies that entirely predictably made your societies less safe, Well, I don't, like I don't, I don't, I don't care. It is, you have to have a consolation prize for people's bad decisions. I mean, there has to be, because I will relentlessly try to find the positives, even in the most negatives. There has to be a plus for people's bad decisions. And when people make bad decisions, the plus is you are liberated from sympathy.
[7:39] You are liberated from sympathy. You're liberated from drama. All right, so if you say to a woman, don't date this guy. He's a bad guy. The red flags are real clear, pretty obvious, right? And she continues to date him. I mean, that's bad. Bad that she's not taking good advice. But you have to, I don't know how to put this exactly. You have to discipline yourself to close your heart when people inflict their own wounds. You have to. This is absolutely essential. Because otherwise, it's just a massive net negative. You know, my mother was free, totally free, absolutely free to not take my good advice. My mother was perfectly free to not take my good advice.
[8:41] As is true for other people that over the course of my life I gave good advice to, and of course, you know, I was free to not take other people's advice. And the price, of course, of not taking good advice, if you give good advice to someone that person does not take, Your advice, you must, must, must, I strongly, strongly urge you to discipline yourself to close your heart.
[9:13] Otherwise, it's just a massive loss, and there's no upside to giving good advice. And of course, if you've got Bob and Sid in your life, and you give good advice to Bob, and he listens, and you give good advice to Sid, and he doesn't listen, surely you can't have the same emotional response to people who take good advice and people who don't take good advice. You can't have the same response to these people because they're doing opposite things. You can't have the same emotional response to people who do opposite things. And it's tough, man. It's a tough thing to do. It's a very tough thing to do. It's very tough to steal your will to close your heart. But you must. You must. If somebody steals from you, stop inviting them to your house. Right? Oh I need a place to stay well you can't you keep stealing from me you can't come to my house no but I'm I'm without a place to stay it's like the only advice I could give you is go back in time and don't steal from me.
[10:29] I mean I told a friend many years ago that he probably shouldn't marry the woman he married I gave all the reasons why he married her.
[10:44] I don't care I mean you have to you have to will yourself you have to steel yourself you have to toughen yourself up to not care about people who don't take good advice, it's one of the most foundational fundamental survival mechanisms in this or any other universe, All right, so let's see here. All right, let's get to your comments. Any good tips for dealing with aggression? I've noticed a lot of my aggression is linked to my childhood. And thinking back, I did not realize how violent I have been. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry about your childhood.
[11:45] So aggression happens when you can't reason with people. You have to escalate because you can't reason with people. I mean, obviously in war, you shoot at each other. The enemy combatants shoot at each other because they can't reason with each other. They're not debating, right? they're shooting. So if you want to lower your aggression, you have to not spend time with people you can't reason with. Now, once you can reason with people, then you would choose, you would move more towards that. Maybe you still have the old habits, but be with people you can reason with and your expression of aggression will almost certainly go down. All right. This woman, she's unemployed in debt, both personal and student, due to unbelievably terrible relationships she's had in the past from a guy 25 years older than her to countless FWB. Okay. Gosh. Okay, so this is just a massive list of complete disasters with this 38-year-old woman. So I guess, Sepenta, my question is, given that she's been involved in some pretty corrupt things, why would you frame her as you had a date with a lovely woman?
[13:00] That's kind of manipulative bro or it feels highly manipulative oh she was a lovely woman and then you unpack her past and i won't read this sort of have it carved into the ether of the net forever but why would you why would you characterize her as a lovely woman and then all of this terrible stuff.
[13:27] And he says, it's really effing hard to think about. She's suffered so much. Some inflicted on her some of her own choices. I think I made a good case as to her adult dysfunction is a one-to-one reflection of her childhood. Yeah. And once you've been involved in that level of corruption, again, it's very tough to come back from that. But yeah, why would you... Why would you characterize her as a lovely woman? That's very manipulative. All right, somebody says, have you seen any of the new details of the female military helicopter pilot who crashed into the airplane near DC? From what I've gathered, the pilot was instructed twice to change course but then turned off the radio channel with air traffic control. The pilot was told... Um, I, yeah, I don't remember that. I, from what I've heard, uh, she had a, a co-pilot who told her to change course twice. Uh, and I guess she didn't listen. I mean, this is part of the, well, he's mansplaining, uh, I'm right, girl power, ignore men, uh, uh, don't, it's patriarchy, right?
[14:41] I, I'm a, I can make my own decisions, all of that kind of stuff, right?
[14:54] So, let's see here.
[15:04] Oh, that was Graham Williams, Doctor Who producer, talking about City of Death. The serial due to film on Monday, no script by Friday. The writer's wife had divorced him. He was at a hotel pool in Spain, so Williams and Andrews, who were touring Paris, were filming, where filming was to take place, So they went to a hotel room stocked up on typing papers, wet towels, whiskey and black coffee, locked Douglas in the room, until as script editor he wrote a filming script. You can know the story is true as I made the coffee. Nice. See, here's the thing, Sephanta. When you talk about the studio woman as a lovely woman, you're just torturing yourself. I mean, you are torturing yourself. Because you say, oh, she's lovely, but there's all these tragedies. And it's like, you know, it's very tempting to take some level of free will away from women who've suffered, in particular, well, people who've suffered, but in particular women who've suffered as children.
[15:58] It's very tempting to take away their free will.
[16:09] But, you know, one of the things that happens when you suffer a lot as a child is the suffering is pretty obvious, right? And because the suffering is pretty obvious, you have a responsibility for dealing with it. It's sort of like, you know, there are some people, I guess, who have cancers for which there are no, or illnesses, let's say, for which there are no visible symptoms. And then there are other people who have, you know, big lumps or rashes or, I don't know, pustules or whatever. So if you have visible ailments and you don't go to a doctor, you're actually more responsible than if you have invisible ailments and don't go to the doctor. So, I actually, when people have had really bad childhoods, what I do is I view them as more responsible for getting help, because it's so obvious that they had bad childhoods, right? It was obvious that I needed to get therapy and all of that, because I had such a bad childhood.
[17:19] So, he says, I characterized her that way, because she was very fun to be around. From when I first met her at a dance, how our evening went during the dance, to our texts and phone calls. At the surface level, she was incredibly fun to be around from her laugh, her smile, our chats. All right. I'll play this. I'll play this. Game. All right.
[18:06] So you can look up prior trauma, superficial charm. Prior trauma and superficial charm. So a woman with this amount of trauma and corruption in her past, this amount of suffering and abuse in her past, who comes across as incredibly charming and fun, that can be, a sign of great danger. So, and you know this. Come on, you know this. You know this. So why are you selling someone's superficial charm when she has this level of unprocessed trauma as if she's just kind of fun.
[19:04] And we all know, I obviously can't diagnose anyone. I'm not a psychologist or anything like that, so I can't diagnose anyone. But if you look up people with incredible trauma over the course of their history who come across as incredibly fun and have a lot of superficial charm, it's not great from a personality analysis standpoint, if that makes sense. It's not great at all. So why would you, I guess this might be a question, right? Why would you not just be taken in, but sell to us this superficial charm when she has this level of trauma? Can someone have a lot of fun if they have this level of trauma and they're pushing 40? Isn't that a false self thing? Isn't that a kind of manipulative thing? Because it sure is Sherlock worked on you, right? Now you're kind of obsessed with her. And I don't mean this in any negative way. It's just sort of what you said, that you're kind of thinking about her a lot, right?
[20:25] So uh you come to my come to me on the day of my daughter's wedding right yes it does i haven't heard of superficial charm before.
[20:36] Okay but and maybe this is better for a call-in because it's a very interesting topic and i'm not trying to come down heavy on you i'm just you know if you've been around this conversation for a long time. Okay, but did you not notice the vast difference between her life and her trauma and the fun, fun, fun mask she had on?
[21:02] Lovely, charming, incredibly fun to be around. Bro, you're being played. My God. And you need to wise up about this. I mean, you're pushing 30. She's pushing 40. You're pushing 30. You need to wise up about this kind of stuff. Oh, thank you for the tip there, friend. No, but seriously, how do you reconcile? You said, and I'll quote you back, right, more or less, you said that if she had a call-in show, it would be one of the worst in the history of the show, the 20-year history of the show. You said if she'd had a call-in show, it would be one of the worst, right? So I've done thousands of call-in shows. And what you're saying is she had, of a selection of people, most of whom had pretty bad childhoods, she had the worst or close to the worst.
[22:11] So you understand the challenge that you're bringing to the community. Thank you again. So this is the challenge you're bringing to the community. This woman has severe, catastrophic, unprocessed childhood abuse and adult involvement in corruption. And she's charming, fun, lovely, and wonderful. What are you doing? I mean, you're presenting John Merrick, the elephant man, at a medical conference as the paragon of health. So that's what I'm trying to understand. Oh, she's lovely. She's so much fun. She was great. So charming. Massive amounts of unprocessed trauma. I won't even admit that her family might be a problem, even though they abused her worse than just about anyone who's ever called in, according to what you said, right?
[23:26] So what are you doing here? What are you trying to accomplish here? And I'm not saying consciously, right? Because you fell into her charm without skepticism. It means that you're lacking some form of, I would say, pretty damn important self-protection. Charming people with horrifying pasts are extremely dangerous. I mean, they will eat you like quiche. And that kind of happened, right? She got into your head, and it's been going round and round, right? So I would say that you're going to need to up your sense of self-protection here pretty considerably, pretty deeply and considerably.
[24:37] Alertness right in, how how can she be this peppy with this amount of disaster right she's pushing 40, massively in debt completely disastrous relationships and other things which i won't get into here but you know just trust me they're pretty pretty terrible, oof man like mega oof, I mean you guys tell me what you think is this unreasonable is it unreasonable to say.
[25:19] He says gotcha from how I'm seeing this and how I've worded it she came across as lovely charming and fun at the surface but having digging to her deeper, I've realized that she's not that way at all. Well, but that's how you presented her. That's how you presented her to this community. She's just lovely. She's absolutely lovely. Charming, fun, wonderful. I want to help her. I'm obsessed with thinking about the wrongs she suffered and all of that, right? So what this means, and I think this is pretty important. So what this means is that you're saying that people can be fun, charming, lovely, and wonderful without having worked on all of their trauma. You're saying that to this community, right? This is really a kind of perverse kind of magical thinking. You know, because this is a community, and it's not everyone, of course, here, but this is a community where a lot of people suffered a lot in childhood and have had to work enormously hard to regain and to attain, you know, health and functionality, right?
[26:42] And you're bringing in the story of a woman who went through worse traumas than all of us here. And she's just fun, charming, lovely, and wonderful. What does that mean?
[26:56] I mean, if we're a community with a fair number of people who had to work for five years to get out of wheelchairs because of a particular injury, say, oh, I met somebody with far worse injuries than you guys, and she was skipping around and dancing and never had to work to get out of her wheelchair at all.
[27:18] And I assume that you're bringing this date to the attention of this community so we can form a bit of a human circle around you and protect you from this kind of manipulation. Somebody says, someone else did a similar thing this week. Said they went on dates with normal and pleasant women, then proceeded to describe entitled women. I tried to give the benefit of the doubt, but yes, often these sorts of things sound manipulative. Maybe they don't want to admit they picked wrong. Not sure. Somebody says, do you think the Ted Bundy types were physically or personally repulsive on the surface? They would never have been able to do the horrors without being charming at first. Yeah, of course, not to say that she's Ted Bundy or not to say that everyone who's charming is Ted Bundy, but when you hear about the horrors of someone's existence, someone's childhood, someone's adult life, and it was a cavalcade of horrors for this woman in many ways. When you hear that and somebody is super fun, charming, and funny, it's like, ooh, that's a big danger, man. That's a big danger. And I don't know that you are aware of this danger.
[28:48] And I think you need to be. I'm really trying to absorb this valuable insight. Yeah, so when there is a big, giant mismatch, between somebody's lived experience and their personal affect, like their presented personality, I think that's extremely dangerous. It's an extremely dangerous situation. Somebody says, Stef, do you think that guilt is used by family members as a way of manipulating you to do what they want? Sure. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, family members will define defiance to them as immoral and that you have an unchosen positive obligation to do what they want. And if you don't do what they want, then you're just guilty of bad and wrong things. And really the only answer to that is if somebody has put a moral obligation upon you, the question is, have they manifested that moral obligation in the past themselves?
[30:08] Right? So I did a role play with somebody playing a girl who disliked me, a woman who disliked me. Oh, Stef's a misogynist or this or that or the other, right? Because he's judging single mothers and it's like, yeah, but you're just judging Stef, right? If not judging people is good, then why would you judge Stef negatively, right? So when somebody tries to inflict a moral rule on me, I mean, the first thing that I want to do is say, okay, have you manifested this moral rule in the past or are you violating this moral rule in the present in your in your actual conversation with me most people just use morality as a form of social control that that's their whole gig it's all they do and they just keep trying words you know it's sort of like in in um in harry potter you know like they have these expectro petroleum or whatever they call it right uh that they use these words, and the words in combination with the wands produces magical effects. And so people will try particular moral words on you to see if they can get you to do what they want.
[31:23] You know, it's selfish to engage in carbon-generating activities because of global warming and the Greta Thunberg, how dare you, mantra. If you cared about the next generation, then you wouldn't engage in these eating meat and not bugs and having a car and going on flights. You wouldn't engage in these carbon unfriendly activities if you cared about the next generation. Okay. Okay. All right.
[31:58] So then the people who are very much into we should take care of the next generation should be entirely focused on eliminating the national debt, right? Because the national debt is catastrophic to the next generation, right? They should be heavily engaged in improving schools, right? Because bad education is terrible for the next generation, right? They should never have wanted to shut down schools over COVID because that's really bad for the next generation and has had skill and IQ.
[32:33] Pretty catastrophic skill and IQ problems, and that's going to follow them through the rest of their life, right? I mean, people who graduate in the middle of a recession never regain their economic value over time. It's just really bad luck. And the kids who were home over the course of the pandemic for a year or sometimes longer, or at least weren't in school getting tested in any kind of objective way, well, those kids, the employers will know that they lack particular skills because they mostly just cheated on the tests, right? I'm not saying this in any moral way. It's just sort of a practical thing, right? They played video games while not listening to the teacher, and they cheated on the tests because they could. and all of that so that's just going to follow them going forward right.
[33:40] So, if people care about global warming, do they care much more about the national debt? Well, of course they don't, right? They don't. So, that's how you know they don't care about the next generation, right? I mean, as I mentioned before, the people who were like, oh, everyone's got to get, all travelers have to get COVID tested and all of that, and they have to be vaccinated. It's like, you know, millions of people poured across the southern U.S. Border who were not tested for anything, let alone tested for vaccination status. So they don't care about that stuff, right? They don't care about that stuff. You know, a lot of the people on the left who, oh, family, family's being separated and so on, a significant proportion of people on the left wanted children taken away from parents who didn't want to get them COVID vaccinated. So they don't care about any of that stuff. And this is why universalism which is to say, do you follow the rules that you want to inflict on others right, which is obvious stuff right we don't go to a fat nutritionist and we don't go to a flabby personal trainer right do you follow the rules you want to inflict on others right.
[35:07] And one of the reasons we accept guilt that is inflicted upon us is it's highly dangerous to not do that highly dangerous to not accept guilt, so if in some Aztec society the high priest says oh you're responsible for the volcano erupting or you're responsible for the bad crops if you were to say no that's a total lie, um that's not true at all i mean i'm just some guy doing his thing the gods have not and the gods are not punishing the tribe for something i did right this is ridiculous right well they'd just kill you right because you'd be threatening their power they'd take you up on the stone altar and rip out your heart with their bare fingernails right so not accepting guilt right if if you say oh, I'm guilty because of Adam and Eve, right? Okay. If you don't accept that guilt, I mean, you wouldn't get killed, maybe, but you might be ostracized. And so refusing to accept unearned guilt is highly dangerous in society as a whole. So we generally will succumb to it because the dangers are very great if we don't.
[36:21] All right my old pal thinks fixing women means taking the higher ground and doing the hard thing I argue the opposite I'm not sure what that means.
[36:37] Somebody says mid-30s early 40s single has kids unless we're dealing with either a widow or some absolute tragedy that changed the man she was married to drastically that she had to leave, there has to be a reason why they're single probably not a person i want in my life if i were looking for someone yeah he says oh this is the guy who dated or went on the date with 38 year old woman he says i agree with you Stef from how i'm seeing it or saw it i'm trying to help this woman. Although, like I said in an earlier post, I did start to suspect she was trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I suspected that towards the end of the evening yesterday. I don't believe I fully understand this whole situation. A call-in does sound like a good idea. I don't want to be attached to a bad woman, but I do want to help people.
[37:24] Yeah, physician, heal thyself, right? I mean, the obvious analogy of put the mask, if the cabin to lose this pressure, put the mask over yourself before helping others. So if you want to help people and you don't have strong rational moral boundaries, you're just going to get torn apart. If you want to help people and you don't know how to identify people who are going to exploit you through your very desire to help them, you're putting yourself in grave and repetitive danger. To go out there with the naked need of wanting to help others without having a rational standard by which you can resist being manipulated means you're just going to get exploited the desire to help people is a great danger without you know the strictness i was sort of talking about earlier.
[38:18] All right, any other last questions or comments? Again, I really do appreciate everybody's support in this instance. If you'd like to throw a little extra into the kitty jar, I'd appreciate that at freedomain.com slash donate. But if you have any other last questions or comments, and yeah, freedomain.com, sorry, freedomain.com slash call, Sepanta, if you want to do a call in, I think it's a fascinating topic about this level of susceptibility. So if you do want to do a call in, I'd be happy to talk with you about this in more detail. But yeah, please, please, please be very careful about your desire to help others. It is a big exploit me sign for a lot of people as a whole. Somebody says, after 20 years, I finally get to go to post-secondary school. Lots of things to look forward to with all the programs and facilities. Nice. Nice. Oh, it doesn't look that great. I actually had a dream last night that I just spent the rest of my life getting degrees and enjoying universities, because they do seem to be a huge amount of fun at the moment.
[39:36] All right, hammer in your last question or comment, so we'll close things off here. Again, I really do appreciate everyone's support, and thank you so much. It's going to be a good book that I'm working on. It's very different. I always want to write something different. I want to be, you know, like how Queen, the band, just did all different kinds of styles from jazz to country to rock to almost bluegrass to blues, all that. So I always want to do things that are just really different. That's how I keep my juices flowing. So it's going to be a very good and different book. All right. Thanks everyone so much. Have a lovely afternoon. Thank you again to supporters. Lots of love from up here. I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
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