0:02 - Introduction to the Social Experiment
41:01 - The Impact of COVID on Dating
1:13:02 - The Evolution of Women's Desires
1:16:04 - Early Evolution Debates
1:24:55 - The Impact of Birth Control
1:27:13 - Addressing Young Men's Challenges
1:37:16 - The Deteriorating Dynamics
1:57:20 - Propaganda and Its Effects
2:15:57 - Understanding Each Other's Suffering
2:30:47 - Finding Common Ground
In this episode, I delve deep into the modern challenges young men face in the West today, spurred on by a recent wave of reactions to my thoughts on the subject. Drawing from my own experiences and observations, I initiate an honest conversation about the societal dynamics that have become increasingly contentious. The past few days were not just about sharing my perspective, but rather a social experiment to gauge reactions and promote understanding.
I begin by acknowledging the frustration of young men, many of whom feel disheartened by their perceived inability to interact with women, especially in public spaces. I outline how societal conditioning has amplified fears—fears of being judged or even facing backlash for simply saying hello. This fear is real, and I highlight that it stems from a larger narrative that portrays men as potential threats, while women navigate a world where they are often elevated above men in various social and economic contexts.
As I dissect the economic landscape, I emphasize the profound shifts over recent decades that have left many young men feeling disenfranchised. The decline of traditional manufacturing jobs and the rising costs of living have stripped young men of the confidence to provide for families, thrusting them into a cycle of despair and frustration. I present data showing how wages have stagnated while the economy has transformed, creating unrealistic expectations around dating and relationships that disproportionately impact men.
By juxtaposing the evolution of women's economic roles and expectations, I discuss how societal changes have redefined the parameters of desirability in dating. With rising female autonomy, the standards for male partners have become increasingly elevated, often neglecting the realities that many young men face. I argue that this has led to a dating environment where 80% of women find most men unattractive, thus leaving many feeling hopeless and invisible.
As the conversation evolves, I engage with callers who share their perspectives. The discussions often reflect the complexities of male mental health, societal pressures, and the effects of living in a hyper-digitized world where dating apps have skewed relationships. Numerous voices reflect on how online interactions have replaced meaningful connections, simplifying the dating experience into a warped system where value is defined not by character but by fleeting impressions and superficial attributes.
Through this lens, I underscore the importance of self-examination amidst the societal noise. I encourage listeners to recognize their own programming, as well as the programming women experience, prompting honesty about the shared adversities that both genders endure. I propose that despite a societal atmosphere of blame and division, genuine dialogue can forge understanding and pave new avenues for connection and empathy.
The concluding part of the show is centered on hope and actionable insights. I challenge young men to confront their fears, seek out their truth, and engage with women not as adversaries but as partners caught in a similar web of disorientation and societal pressure. My key takeaway is that to truly navigate the complexities of modern relationships, we must embrace compassion and solidarity rather than animosity, and work collectively towards a future where both men and women can thrive.
By the end of the episode, I hope to inspire a movement of open dialogue, urging everyone to look beyond individual grievances and recognize the shared human experience, thereby allowing compassion to guide our relationships forward.
[0:00] Good evening, good evening, everybody. Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain.
[0:02] Thank you for joining me tonight, Friday night live. And I hope you're having a glorious evening. For the last two days or so, people have been very angry with me. I understand. I sympathize. We will get into it and everything that's been going on and why. Because y'all have been part of a social experiment. And I will tell you the purpose of that social experiment. I hope you will forgive me for not being bald-faced pony soldier up front with you, but there's a reason why. And I hope that this will be something that will be highly instructive for you and bring you closer to love, truth, reason, and all kinds of good things. I I have my trusty, dusty headphones here so we can take calls later. But I'm going to start because everyone says, oh, Stef, you boomer. How dare you? How dare you try?
[1:07] To understand what is going on in the dating market, you crusty old bastard who's not been in the dating market for a quarter century, especially over the last five to 10 years, women have gone mad. So I'm going to make a case that you're right. I'm going to make a case because I want you to understand that I understand. I want you to understand that I understand And because if I understand and disagree, and I tell you why, and I'm again happy to take calls a little later, then hopefully it will make sense. Like when I first got back on Twitter, one of the things that I posted kind of early on was I said, if you're embroiled in a conflict, what you need to do is you need to explain to the other person what his or her point of view is. If you can't explain to the other person what his or her point of view is, the conflict is intractable, it's unresolvable, so that, of course, is my goal here tonight.
[2:13] To tell you what I understand about what young men are going through in the modern West, and then to tell you why I did what I did over the last few days, which I understand, strikes some of you or struck some of you as incomprehensible as Boomer Cuck or, you know, whatever it is, right? Mangina extraordinaire, the superhero called Simptastic has finally taken the stage and has replaced the formerly rational brain of Stef with untold levels of, low-T cuckoldry. So I understand that perspective. I sympathize with that perspective. So let me tell you. So what are some of the things that young men are facing in the West at the moment? In no particular order, I'm going to make this case strongly.
[3:06] This is a steel man case. When I was in the debating club. I was in the debating club in high school. I was vice president of the debating club in university. So I know how to argue both sides of the case. So I'm going to put forward a steel man case as to how you're screwed as a young man in the West. And then I'm going to tell you why I did what I did for the last two days. And for some of you, I hope for most of you, it will be a breakthrough in understanding the world. Sometimes you learn by reason, and sometimes you learn by experience, right? So, the experience of the last two days, I will tell you what I was up to, what I was doing. All right. Let us count the ways in which you as a young man are screwed in the West. Let's talk about economics.
[3:56] So manufacturing jobs, which were the traditional ways that lower to middle class men provided for their families, have dropped from 17.2 million in 1980 to 12.8 million in 2020. Later figures are a little hard to come by, but that is not at a time when the population has declined. So the traditional stepping stone out of the lower class, the poor class to the middle class, was manufacturing, which has been absolutely eviscerated in America. Now, of course, I'm not just going to talk about America, but I'm going to focus on America because that's where the majority of my listeners are. And I want to follow the audience and hit them where they live, right?
[4:36] Real median earnings from men aged 25 to 34 have remained nearly flat since the 1970s. While median home prices have risen from 2020, from 2000 to 2020, adjusted for inflation, inflation, real wages are flat. Median home prices have risen 121%, right? That's much more than doubled. Absolutely catastrophic.
[5:02] So this economic squeeze, where wages have remained stagnant, job opportunities have declined while house prices have gone through the roof, has completely screwed young men in terms of their confidence and their ability to provide for a family. Because if you're not confident you can provide for a family, what are you bringing to the table. And this inability for tens of millions of young men to effectively provide for a family has driven women into the 666 thing, right? Six foot tall, six figures, a six pack. They can now afford to look for the pretty boys because they don't need or can't get the providing boys. So that's how men, one of the many examples in which men have been shafted in the modern economy. At the same time, as men's wages have been depressed, test.
[5:50] Women's wages have been wildly artificially elevated to truly stratospheric levels of HR email job fantasy nonsense. This is why people got so mad at the dancing women in the office, you know, this itty bitty titties in a bar, all of that kind of stuff. Because it's like, was it really starting in the 1960s where you had equal pay for work of equal value, which was a bunch of legislation that made it illegal, illegal to pay women less than what was called equal pay for work of equal value, which makes zero sense whatsoever, because you get what you negotiate for, not what the government forces people to pay you. That's a form of fascism. That's a form of economic tyranny. And of course, one of the reasons why women were paid less is because.
[6:43] Oh, I don't know, continuing civilization seems like a pretty decent idea. I know for a lot of young men, not at the moment, but continuing civilization seems like a pretty decent idea. Now, to continue civilization, which is not just about dropping pups, squeezing out pups, and dropping them off at daycare for people with bizarre accents to raise. No, it's actually having children, staying home with the children, putting some of the man's values and the woman's values into the minds of the children. Men don't pay women to raise their children. We don't pay women to raise our children. We could pay anyone and it would be cheaper to just raise our children to feed and clothe and play with them. We pay women because 90% of a married man's income when he's got kids goes to his wife and children, 90%. So what do we pay women for? We pay women to transfer the values we both share into the minds of the children. That's the civilization is not the buildings, it's not the houses, it's not the roads, it's not the money, it's not the GDP. Goddamn GDP. This God that everyone sacrifices their jugulars for. Civilization are the values that we have fought to achieve and maintain. So if you want civilization to continue, you. Women don't just have to have babies, they've got to stay home and raise those babies.
[8:08] So that the values of civilization can continue. Now, if you have three kids and you give birth, you breastfeed for a year and a half, which is the recommended amount, then you, you know, look to have another baby, takes maybe a little while to get pregnant, you've got nine months of pregnancy and then another 18 months and so blah, blah, blah. We're talking at least to get the kids to school age, three kids, six to 10 years. At a bare minimum, to get the youngest to the age of five.
[8:45] And often longer. So that's six to 10 years out of the workforce. Now, if you are an employer and you have the choice between a young man and a young woman, when you have a fecund society, a fertility-based society? Do you want to hire the young man, knowing that he's going to work harder when he has kids? Or do you want to hire the young woman who's going to quit? Probably. If you want your civilization to continue, someone's going to have to transfer the values to the children, and it ain't going to be the daycare workers, bros. I worked in a daycare for years as a teenager. This was not the trivium. This was not a monastery where the intense and dedicated values of Greco-Roman Christian civilization would pass on to the tender minds of the young, no, it was wrangling kids so that they didn't stuff Lego blocks down each other's throats.
[9:42] But in order to lure women out of the home, the government had to artificially raise their wages, which meant that if you are a woman and you're at a particular position, you can take your employer to court. If he's not paying you what you think you're worth. In other words, the eternal cry of the younger sibling and others in society, ah, no fair, suddenly got the armed might of the state behind it. Women were lured out of the home so that the government could take over the.
[10:12] Raising of the children and indoctrinated them with status values, the women were lured out of the home with a bunch of things, right? One, of course, old age pensions, the welfare state, and artificially high wages, and then endless initiatives. I mean, I've worked in an HR department in my early teens, and the DEI stuff, which we'll get to later, and all of that was in sort of full fledge and swing. And of course, when businesses are forced to hire a lot of, women, they have to create what are called the pink ghettos, which is the HR departments and training departments and all other sorts of things, which didn't really need to exist before women were lured and bribed into the workplace. Now, just to be clear, I mean, this is sort of the steel man argument. My personal opinion for what it's worth is that, yeah, women should be absolutely economically free to do whatever they want. Absolutely economically free. But at the same time, they shouldn't have access to men's taxpayer money through the power of the state.
[11:11] So old age pensions meant that women didn't have to worry about getting old. In other words, they didn't have to worry about having a very close bond with their children, so the children would take care of them when they got old. Artificially high wages meant that they didn't need men to be providers. The growth of daycare meant that they could dump their kids in daycare where kids go through elevated stress levels and have a terrible time of it overall. And of course, women pouring into the workforce lowered the amount of money available to pay men. Now, if you get highly productive people into the workforce, then everybody's wages go up. But when you have people who kind of come and go, they don't work as hard. Women don't work as hard as men, statistically. There's no hit on women. I'm just talking about facts, right? Women don't work as hard. They don't go into as high-paying professions, and they tend to work with people, not things which is not as productive to the economy in terms of multiples of your productivity. So.
[12:04] When women poured into the workforce, men's wages were driven down. I mean, we all know that the sort of feminist stuff is a sort of statist government program, wherein you get to lure women out of the home, you get control of the kids at an earlier age, you get to double tax the women because you tax the women, and then you also tax the daycare workers who are taking care of the children. And it has just been a complete disaster for the children, right? If we as a society worked on what was best for children, we would build our society from the ground up for that which benefits children the most, but this is not the case. So this is just a real touch on the economics of it. And with the DEI stuff, of course, if you're a male, it's tough enough. If you're a white male, then you face discriminatory hiring practices, which are very much out in the open. I know there's been a lot of pushback under Trump, but very much out in the open. You can even see ads, right? White males need not apply, of these kinds of things, right? It further drives down the ability to have a family and makes you feel kind of hated and despised within your society, within your civilization. So that's some of the economics. Educationally, women are earning close to 60% of bachelor degrees in the US, similar numbers in Canada. Boys face higher rates of K-12 disciplinary action, suspension is two to three times higher.
[13:26] For boys than girls, this derails some academic progress. And of course, school has been rejigged to benefit the girls. This is like very much out in the open girl power. Education has to be better for girls than it is for boys. So what happens? Well, significant verbal skills, which girls develop earlier because of, you know, a lot of conversations, boys are out there building forts and girls are talking about things generally. So verbal skills and, oh, the collaborative learning, the collaborative stuff that goes on, oh, everyone get together, everyone's going to contribute. This drives boys mental and drives girls into states of delirious estrogen joy, which is incomprehensible largely, to the male mind. There have been, of course, studies, as you know, wherein papers that are handed in or tests that are handed in with girls' names the same tests are marked better than if they're handed in with boys' names, which shows that there is a significant sexist bigotry, not against men, which is bad enough, but against boys, against little boys. These harpies are attacking the minds of our boys, not all, of course, but it's pretty substantial.
[14:48] So, young men are told that women are looking for men who are superior to them, right? I want a man who's taller than me. I'd love a man who makes more money than me. I'd love a man who's better than me in some way. But if you then come across as superior, it's referred to as, yes, we all know, let's do the chant together, toxic masculinity. Although, boy, the number of female pedophiles in schools these days should at least awaken in some people to the idea that there might be female toxicity, but anyway, toxic masculinity. So what are you supposed to do?
[15:24] Well, when you see that women online rate men, the vast majority of men is unattractive, right? You've seen that OKCupid 2018 bell curve with the women all saying that the men are ergos and the men all saying, yeah, it's pretty reasonably spaced. So online dating seems to suck because women get massive amounts of attention and men don't, unless you happen to be some God-looking profile of a man with, you know, chiseled jaw and perfect hair and abs and so on. In which case, they've been experiments where these really great-looking guys, they take great-looking guys' pictures and they put them up and say, yeah, I just got out of jail for domestic abuse. And the women were like, ooh, that's cool. I don't even bathe. Well, you must be musky i don't brush my teeth and you know it doesn't doesn't matter they still oh well you know everyone makes mistakes so so maybe then you're supposed to go to talk to girls in person god help you god help you ever since the me too era 61 of young men in 2019 you gov paul said that they're cautious about approaching women i don't want to intrude i don't want to bother them i want to get in their face. I don't want anyone to put me on blast on social media. I don't want anyone to take a picture. God forbid my wandering eye hits on a woman's lycra encased butt in a gym and Joey Swole isn't around and you're toast. Just can't even talk to girls.
[16:53] They're going to roll their eyes. They're going to scorn you. They're going to mock you. They're going to humiliate you. They're going to put you on blast on social media. They're going to take a picture of you and say, ah, this loser. And then what? Ooh, that's not fun. That's not fun. So what are you supposed to do? Young men are facing severe mental health crises. Men are 75% of U.S. suicides. I think Trump actually mentioned this. It's like the first politician in the history of the freaking planet to mention this male suicide issue. Women attempt it more, men succeed more often. I'm not going to put any jokes in there. You get it. Rates peak among young men at the age of 20 to 34 at 27.100,000. Only 25% of men seek therapy compared to 40% of women. This is for an American Psychological Association study from 2021.
[17:47] So, this is another reason why. Whoa, there's so many women with diagnosed mental disorders. Well, part of that, not all of it, but part of it, is because women go for help more, get diagnosed more, and so on, right? Again, I'm not saying that's all of it, but it's part of it, right? Male fragility, male insecurity. Men aren't allowed to have standards. If you have a standard as a man, maybe don't go to boozy, drunken, half-stripper nightclubs with the girls when you're in a steady relationship with a man. Oh, you're so insecure, so controlling. That's so terrible. Don't you trust me? Whereas if you want to go to a strip club, that's so inappropriate. So all male standards are oppressive, insecure, controlling, psycho. Whereas women having standards is empowering, elevated, refusing to settle, a giant plus. This is mad.
[18:50] Dating market imbalance is mad, of course, as everybody knows. Women have a near-infinite cavalcade of conveyor belt, ball sacks roaming into their DMs on a regular basis. Now, if you talk to women about what's in those DMs, it's fairly icky as a whole, but nonetheless, it is just crazy, right? Mentioning this 2018 OKCupid poll, women rated 80% of men as below average for attractiveness. Not, I will say this, not pushing back against any or even one of the stereotypes that women are mathematically largely illiterate. So 80% below average. Good job, ladies. Please stop confirming these stereotypes. That would be excellent, but I'm not holding my breath. 63% of young men reported being single in 2020, Pew study, this is of course just around the pandemic starting, compared to 34% of young women. Hmm. Let's just do a little math there. So twice as many men are single compared to women, which means that women are on average Dating two men.
[20:10] Not great. Social expectations are for men to make the first approach, but as you make the first approach and you constantly get ghosted or ignored or blocked, or you just get, hi, what you doing, right? No particular engagement, no particular conversation, no interest. You have to do all the work. You have to, uh, you have to initiate, you have to be interesting. You have to keep the conversation going, and it is like holding a weight above your shoulders, like a 10-pound, 20-pound weight, or in my case, the weight of the world. That's like holding a 10-pound weight. It's not too bad for a while, but after a while, it's like, damn, this is hurting. My shoulders are locking up. This hurts like hell. And of course, as men continue to pour their efforts into trying to woo women in person and online and get rejected, there's a negative feedback loop. Say, ah, you've got to be confident. You've got to be confident to get women. But if the vast majority of women are indifferent or hostile, it's a little tough to maintain your confidence. And then, say, bald boomer adjacent guys come along and just say, bro, just be confident. It's a little tough when you keep getting rejected to maintain that confidence level, which I understand.
[21:27] How is the relationship between young men in the modern West and institutions as a whole. Do you feel treasured and welcomed in school? Oh, what about the media? Oh, what about sitcoms? What about movies? What about commercials? Where women are always brilliant and men are always bumbling idiots, bumping into wars like a drunken Roomba. How do you feel that you're portrayed in higher academia? How are you portrayed online? Predatory, toxic. Women would rather choose the bear than a man. You're dangerous. misogynistic incels.
[22:06] Nobody ever wants to listen to you or address your concerns. They want to tell you that everything that's wrong in your life is absolutely your fault. Coincidentally, not only is everything that is wrong in your life your fault, but as an added bonus, everything that is wrong in women's life is also your fault, you misogynistic bastard. So, things wrong in your life, 100% your fault. Things wrong in women's life, 100% your fault. Shut up and take your blows, you pathetic, whipping boy. Oh, a quick question. When you have diversity initiatives, which is, of course, anti-male in its essence, how do you feel when you're trying to get a job in academia or in some sort of corporate job or, you know, just about anywhere? Well...
[23:05] Does it feel a tad exclusionary? Does it feel like there's a bunch of tight-lipped, beehive-haired Karens in HR saying, oh, John Smith from Rhode Island, into the shredder you go. That's not great. How do you feel as a young man or as a man as a whole about ye olde institution of family courts? Is that working out for you? Hey, quick question. Did it work out for your dads. It didn't work out for my dad. My dad had to flee the family courts to Africa.
[23:37] To Africa. I'm not trying to play hard done by here, but I have seen this.
[23:45] Pretty direct. Fathers, mothers are awarded primary custody in 80% of US divorce cases And accusations of abuse in divorces from females to males is rampant. It's so common there's its own acronym, SAID, for sexual abuse allegations in divorce. Divorce, and it is brutal if you've ever known anybody to go through this as a whole.
[24:14] And the tax system, how's that working as a whole? Women take out, depending on how you measure it, from soup to nuts, from birth to death, women take out about twice what they pay in taxes in many situations and circumstances. Men get out about half what they pay in taxes, so the modern tax and redistribution system is repeatedly punching men in the nets and rewarding women for the amazing act of continuing to draw breath. Women get benefits in university. Women get benefits in the workplace. This doesn't even count the artificially inflated women's wages in the workplace. Women get benefit in free healthcare because men don't use healthcare nearly as much as women. And of course, women live longer, which means old age pensions go more to women than to men.
[25:02] A subsidized daycare is used far more, and the welfare state, which is basically the single mother state, is vastly used by women and paid for by men, which of course, when men are forced to pay for people's bad decisions, men lose, and women too who pay for those bad decisions, lose any capacity whatsoever to police bad decisions. See, interesting factoid about pretty much the entirety of human history up until the 1960s, if people made bad decisions, they suffered negative consequences. I know, I know, like for the young people here, this is incomprehensible. I might as well be speaking in a combination of Swahili, some Udu clicking language, and Klingon. But in the past, if people made bad decisions, they actually suffered the consequences.
[25:50] You know, the way that you did when you were, say, eight years old, oh, man, I forgot about this test. I forgot about the spelling test. Oh, that's too bad. You fail. Oh, I forgot about the math test. Well, you fail. See, six, seven, eight-year-old kids, particularly boys, if you make a bad decision or you just forget something.
[26:10] You suffer, you fail, you might get punished, you get lines. Maybe you're held back a year and become the hunched kid in the back who's got to shave the back of his fingers in grade six. Now, but you see, accountability in the modern world, see, that's only for children. Children should be held accountable and men should be accountable not just for their own bad decisions, but for everybody and their dog's bad decisions. But women, no, no, no, no. We can't let the poor little deers themselves be held accountable. In other words, if they get pregnant, they have to get the man to marry them or they have to go and live with mom and dad or they have to go and live in some collective household with other women so you can watch each other's kids while you all go to work. No, no, no, nothing like that. You have to use the state to coercively transfer money from men to yourself because you made a bad decision. Whatever you subsidize, you get more of. Whatever you tax, you get less of. So you subsidize bad decisions, you just get more and more bad decisions. You tax productivity and Atlas Shrugged style at the moment, men will check the frack out. Because no man wants to be pillaged for the sake of mostly women's bad decisions.
[27:31] When a man makes a bad decision, suck it up, buttercup. Do better. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, stop complaining. When women make bad decisions, oh, you poor victimized deer, oh, here's $100,000 a year in cash and benefits. Because, I mean, who knew you could get pregnant having unprotected sex with a tattooed drunkard? Incomprehensible.
[27:58] What about male-only spaces outside of Mike Cernovich's Noble Cigar Club? Male-centric spaces, fraternal organizations, community clubs. When I was a kid, they were the Boy Scouts. That's all been sued into oblivion. So what about the church? Church, it used to be pretty masculine. Now it's an estrogen fest of sympathy for the outsiders and contempt for anyone who actually talks about responsibilities that come from the Bible. So how does that work? How does it look for you as a man when any reasonably attractive woman on TikTok can make a fortune doing stupid dances on the hood of a car while you have to get up at 6 a.m. to pound the pavement looking for a job as a welder. I did a, um, this is all very conscious and I'll get into sort of what I've been doing over the last couple of days.
[28:50] But I was asking men, I didn't ask, I asked people as a whole, what's the worst job you ever had? 99% of them were men who had the most appallingly, horrendously horrible jobs, and there weren't any women.
[29:02] Because, you know, you've seen these absolutely end of civilization, day in the life of videos, you know, like women are getting up, yawning and stretching, and you're having a protein smoothie, and then going to work, opening up a laptop, doing a couple of meetings, having lunch on the balcony, free coffee. And it's just like, oh my God, you know? I mean, I'm sure most of the men here have had really, really tough jobs, and it's really, really not the case. OnlyFans and other online pornographic or pornographic adjacent sites are available to women to make money, although the majority of women make very little money on it, but there's a small number who make a huge amount. I'm looking at you, Sophie Raine, though I've never really looked at you, Sophie Raine. But how does that feel as a man, that you don't even have that, obviously, fairly declassé option to go and make money? Men, do you see a lot of homeless women? No. Why? Because homeless women can go and have sex with a man and get a roof over their head. Homeless men really can't do the same thing. How about men's shelters? I talked to the great and courageous Erin Pitsy many, many years ago, who opened up the first homeless man's shelter for men fleeing domestic violence, and feminists attacked her. And I don't just mean online. So how does that work, right? How much mentorship is you as a man getting from older men?
[30:28] How does that mean fathers are significantly absent from the home? And even if they're home, a lot of times they're workaholics in part to meet the expectations of their wives so they don't get divorced and lose half their stuff and most of their kids or most of their time with their kids. A 2019 survey found that 45% of young men lack a mantra that they trust. And how is that void filled? Well, I think we all know how that works, right?
[31:00] So, young men are overrepresented in low-wage, unstable gig work. 60% of gig workers are male. This is per a 29 BLS report. Educational system. See, what happened was, I think it was in the early 1970s, Duke Power case, the US government said, you're not allowed to use IQ tests, as a way of seeing if people will be competent at complicated tasks, even though IQ tests are far better than any HR department could ever be in figuring out who's going to be good at working at complicated tasks. There's nothing better than the IQ test, not allowed for reasons that we've talked about or I've talked about many years ago. So because you can't just use a simple IQ test, you wouldn't have to take one for each employee, just take one at an accredited agency that's stamped and you could then take it around because you're not allowed to use an IQ test. You have to use a four-year, quarter million dollar, absolute waste of time and destroyer of liver and non-STD riddled genitals called higher education. So higher education is a giant proxy for the IQ test. But given that the IQ test is very, very cheap and very, very quick, you get to go into massive debt to pay for your own indoctrination. And even more, if you're a woman, women hold the majority of household debt. Women hold the majority of student loan debt.
[32:24] And this again, did you check the math again? Not blowing stereotypes out of the water here as a whole.
[32:36] So, women are constantly told not to settle, which means that their expectations have been blown into the stratosphere, and women automatically get the subsidy in dating of sex. Men don't, for the most part. What that means is, to use the sort of crude sexual market value sign, what that means.
[32:58] Is that a woman who's attractive at a level five, like an average woman, nothing wrong with it, everyone's in the bell curve, nothing wrong with it, some men have hair, and then there's me. So a woman who's a five can have a very short-term relationship with a guy who's an eight or a nine, probably not a 10, and she can sleep with him. So she can bounce from dinner to dinner as a booty call and a foodie call, and she can date men far more attractive than she is if she offers them sexual access. Men cannot do that. A five man cannot go to a nine woman and say, buy me dinner and I'll sleep with you. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. So women have this constant ego boost, right? Men's weakness is status. Women's weakness is vanity. Women have this constant ego boost and they get imaginarily pair bonded with the alphas, right? You know, the phenomenon is called the alpha widow. The alpha widow is a woman who's been able to sleep with top tier men in terms of attractiveness, not necessarily moral qualities, but in terms of attractiveness and status, the average woman has now been able to sleep with top-tier men, and therefore she thinks she can have a relationship and marry a top-tier man.
[34:13] Which is not the case. Not the case at all. Not the case. It's like a guy with an unpleasant personality who wants, a lot of people want to hang out with him because he's got a yacht. But if he doesn't have the yacht, he's going to find out who his real friends are, and it's not going to be as high a number as he thinks it is.
[34:32] So what happens is when a five man goes to a five woman, she's staring up the whole ramp of sexual market value. Again, for those of you who don't know, you're new to the conversation. Thank you. Welcome. I appreciate your patience as I go through these issues. I was speaking at men's rights conferences like 15 years ago, bomb and death threats, the whole shebang. So I've been talking about all of this mismatch in social market value, the sexual subsidy for 15 plus years. So you got the five woman is staring at the nine guy because she can have sex with him. Therefore, she thinks she can marry him. She's the five is staring at the nine guy. And then some other five guy comes along and she's like, as if. And it's like, no, no, that that fits. Now, the way that the sexual marketplace developed was it was supposed to be real short, baby. Like Danny DeVito, like real short. 18, maybe 19. You got six to 12 months. you got to pick your looks match your status match your sexual market value match.
[35:39] And you say well the tens won each other so and the nines won each other but that's not how it works because everybody wants the maximum they can get with the knowledge that if they aim too high they get nothing right everybody wants to get paid a million dollars a minute to do their favorite thing but we all have to compromise and get what we can because if our expectations are too high we don't get hired at all, and we don't get anything, with the difference being that marriage used to be for life. So in that frantic dating market, 18 plus, that frantic dating market, say, oh, the 10s will get with the 10s. No, because the woman who's the 10 thinks she can do better, and the man who's the 10 just wants to sleep around. But the man who's the 10 says, well, if I don't pick the 9, if I don't pick the 10, I'm going to end up with a 9, because someone else is going to angle up and get the 10, because I'm waiting too long. And if that 9's taken, that's really bad, so I've got to just lock it in. Whereas the woman who's aiming for the she's a five she's aiming for a nine she's not going to get him because she can't subsidize it with sex.
[36:37] Because it's a no-sex-before-marriage monogamy-for-life situation. And the nine or the ten won't sleep with the five, because if he gets her pregnant, he's going to be forced to marry her. Or shotgun, shotgun wedding, right? So the five goes with the five because she needs security and protection so that she can have kids and do the aforementioned transfer of the culture down the chain, the great chain of being. So she settles the 10 who male who just wants to sleep around settles for monogamy with a nine or a 10 everybody gets because if the five goes for the nine then all the five men get taken the nine won't marry her so she then has to go with a three or a four so that's how it used to work. But now, women face no consequences for failing to marry.
[37:37] Because the government will backfill in, rush in, and make up for all their bad mistakes. Make up for their foolishness. Men, we don't get that. I mean, one of the greatest advantages and disadvantages of a man, especially a white man, nobody gives you any excuses, which toughens you up or does the opposite. So I know that's not comprehensive. I know that's not comprehensive, but I understand the frustration. I understand the feeling of being hated within your own culture. I understand trying to wrestle with the delusions of women who have the sexual subsidy and have married the government and therefore aren't available for regular old healthy moral pair bonding. I get all of that frustration. I understand that there are solutions that are floated around that aren't going to be achieved within your fertility window. They're not. So I want to know.
[38:47] How well I did or didn't do. Again, this is a relatively brief introduction or overview as to what is going on. And I do want to know how well or badly I'm doing in what it is that I'm saying. So if you want to tell me everything I got wrong or everything that I missed. I would be happy to hear. Just, if you're going to be in the requests, make sure that it's, this is, this is, I'd normally, I'm, it's an open mic. You can tell me what, what you want, but if you're going to be in these requests, I'm begging you, please, please let it be correcting what I've missed. Cause I, I know it's not, can't be, I can't be comprehensive in, you know, half an hour or whatever.
[39:37] So I'm doing just wait for a moment for people who are going to come in. I'm going to kick everyone out of the waiting room. And if you want to come in and tell me what I've missed, I know we can't be fully comprehensive, but if there's something major that I missed, I mean, I know there's the draft and all that kind of stuff. So I'm aware of that. And if there's other things that I've missed, please, please, please come in, set me straight. Tell me how disconnected I am, how boomerish I am. That's fine. Whatever. I'm a big boy. I can handle it. I'm in the public square saying challenging things. So that's totally fine. And I really do appreciate, even the haters were fun. So, okay, so I'm just going to wait. If anybody has anything that they want to add, again, I know it's not comprehensive. I know it's not 100%.
[40:22] But all right, Tyler, what have I missed? What have I missed, brother? Just unmute and let me know. All right. I don't think he's unmuting.
[40:39] I got a question for you.
[40:41] Okay. No, no. That's, did you hear my instructions?
[40:44] I must've just missed it.
[40:46] Okay. Well, no, this is not the time. Do you have anything to add to what it if I said about men's rights?
[40:55] I guess not. Okay.
[40:57] So, uh, the one thing I would ask is just listen. All right.
[41:02] Fluffy, that's a confident man's name what have I missed what set me straight what have I not understood.
[41:14] Yes ever since the coronavirus countermeasures.
[41:20] Oh I'm so sorry were you talking about COVID or stuff I've missed over COVID.
[41:23] Oh yeah well how it affected the dating landscape.
[41:26] Please do yeah that's great thank you.
[41:28] So ever since the confinement the young generation, Gen Z, has gone online. And the communication culture between young people, we're talking like age 26 and less, has become what you would probably perceive as very difficult, antisocial. There's social rules that I think you've missed, like ghosting is a really tolerated phenomenon now. You can ghost someone and then text them again three months later. So a lot of things have changed.
[41:59] Hang on, hang on, hang on. I talked about ghosting as being one of the things that kills men's spirit in the online pursuit of women.
[42:05] Well, it's acceptable now.
[42:07] I know it's acceptable. That's why it happens. So around the COVID stuff, you couldn't meet people in person for a lot of places, and so people went more online. But hasn't that relaxed since the COVID measures have largely dropped over the last couple of years?
[42:21] The culture among young people has never reverted. I'm 34. It doesn't really apply to me so much, but I see it with a lot of my peers. It's considered antisocial to ask a girl out unless you have some sort of familiarity. If you go up and ask a girl out...
[42:35] Sorry, what do you mean by antisocial? What does that mean? I'm not disagreeing with you. I just want to make sure I understand your terms.
[42:44] I would compare it to the same way certain orthodox religions wouldn't allow, a man to just walk up to a woman and ask her out or start a conversation. This sort of mentality is ingrained in young people now.
[42:56] No, but that doesn't tell me. Give me an analogy from religion, And I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be dense here. I just, and I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I just really want to understand what is, is it because it's intrusive to women? Is it negative? Do they not like it? Is it post me too? Like, why is it that talking to women in person or just saying, hi, hey, how's it going? And if the woman is not pleasant or difficult or unpleasant, like mean, or that's, I mean, then you just say, oh, have a great day and move on. Right.
[43:25] I think it's because young people are spending so much time on the internet that they're not very socialized and they don't have social skills. And so if you go up to a girl, you are putting her in a position where she doesn't know what to do. So you say, hi, may I, would you like to go out on a date with me? She doesn't know how to respond to that. And you already know that before you even ask her out, you already know she can't respond to that. She does not know what to say. And so it's rude to go up and approach.
[43:50] Okay, sorry, sorry. So you go up and you say, hi, how you doing? And you try and chat with the woman a little bit. And then what?
[43:57] Well, that in itself is rude because you already know she can't respond. She's confused. She doesn't have the social skills. It's completely lost on young people right now.
[44:07] Okay. So if she doesn't have any social skills, why would you want to date her? I mean, that would be kind of isolating, right?
[44:13] It's the culture now. I mean, this is just the way people are.
[44:17] Okay. But you're not answering my question. If the woman doesn't, like marriage is socializing, right? You've got to socialize with people's families. You've got to socialize with their friends. You've got to socialize at work and your wife's going to be there a lot of times. So if she doesn't have any social skills, why would you want to date her? I mean, a woman who can't even hold a basic conversation.
[44:34] You have to fit the orthodoxy. So you don't go up and approach her in person. That's uncomfortable. You've got to do it on a dating app or a video game or a shared hobby. There's an appropriate way to do it in this new internet-centric culture.
[44:49] Okay, you still haven't answered my question, though.
[44:52] Yeah, so she does have social skills. So, yeah, I wouldn't want to marry a girl who had bad social skills. Of course not.
[44:58] You just told me she doesn't have the social skills to respond to a basic conversation, and now you're telling me she does have social skills?
[45:03] It's a different orthodoxy. It's a totally different orthodoxy than what you and I grew up with. You have to do it online. The appropriate way to meet a girl now— Okay.
[45:12] You understand that this doesn't make any sense, right? Again, I'm not disagreeing with you, but you can't say, well, she lacks the social skills. And I say, well, why would you want to date a woman without social skills? And you say, well, it's not the orthodoxy. She has social skills and other blah, blah, blah. But, you know, you don't socialize with friends and family and at work by playing call of duty. All right. So if she doesn't have basic social skills and basic social graces, like if she's got a boyfriend or whatever, she can just say, oh, your day's going pretty well. And if you keep asking, she can say, you know, I don't mean to be rude. I do have a boyfriend, but I appreciate the interest. I mean, just, you know, somebody basically reasonably polite.
[45:47] Yeah. And as someone who, I'm not shy talking to strangers, so I agree with the sentiments, but she, she lacks social skills in person, but you know, she has good social skills online. So if there's a girl you like, the most appropriate place to ask her is digitally.
[46:01] Okay. I mean, but the purpose of dating is to find a good mother for your children. So if she lacks social skills, then she's not going to be able to build up a community of like-minded people to help erase the kids, and your kids are going to grow up kind of isolated and weird, right?
[46:17] I'm not, I think that's partially true. I'm not sure that's completely true, because you want a woman that's going to raise kids to be well-adjusted to the internet.
[46:27] I mean, we're talking about babies and toddlers. They need other babies and toddlers around. Do you think that it takes more than just a mother to raise her children? She's going to have to have some social skills so she can socialize and organize things with other parents or at least get along with your parents or whatever, right? Because she can't just be raised in isolation. So if she doesn't have any social skills, like, I mean, let me sort of be clear about this. And I'm sorry, Tyler, I'll get to you in a sec. And I appreciate this. I just think we're going a little bit in circles here because you're just saying it's online social skills and I don't.
[46:59] Uh, I've said no social skills. What I should have said is different social skills.
[47:02] Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I got to take you out here. So, and the reason being that we're just kind of going in circles, you're saying she's got good online social skills. I don't really know what that means other than, um, you have to not be around her to, to interact with her. She's going to need good in-person social skills to raise your kids, both in terms of direct communication with the kids and building up some kind of community. And to get along with your parents, to get along with your brother, your sister, your aunt, your uncle, to plan social events and host people. And if you're going to have a stay-at-home mom, she's got to have some social skills. So if there's a woman out there who completely is socially anxious when somebody talks to her at a coffee shop, which is not a high threat environment, you don't chase her down an alley at two o'clock in the morning. You're just saying hi in a coffee shop. If that's freaking her out, then she's not going to be a good mom for your kids. So because the reality is I've always said this. And again, if you're new, there's no reason why you would know this, but I'm sure you've heard it from me before.
[48:01] My audience, I put you all in the top 1%. I put you all in the top 1% of intelligence. I mean, social skills, whatever, right? But a top 1%. So what that means is that you're looking for a top 1% woman, right? Now, if you're looking for a top 1% woman, then what you're going to do is you're going to be eliminating a lot of people. And the way that I make this analogy is when I was a director, I've been a producer of a movie and I've directed my own plays on occasion. And when I'm looking for an actor, I say no to 99% of the people who want the role because you're looking for the right person with the right look and the right talent and the right, you know, whatever, right? Sometimes even the right voice able to do a good accent if it's that kind of role. So 99, you're looking for 1% of actors. Like when I auditioned for the National Theater School way back in the day, they take 1% of people. So for my audience, the fact that they say, well, you know, half of women are crazy. It's like, yeah. So it's like saying, well, you can't hire anyone for your movie because half of actors aren't good. It's like, well, I know that half of actors aren't good, but I'm looking for that one actor in 100 or that one actor in 1,000. So we're not the average. I'm not talking to the average here.
[49:19] So when you say, well, she's not good in her social skills, it's like, well, then probably not a good mother for your children. So, all right, Tyler, if there's something else I got wrong, I, of course, would love to hear all about it. What's up? Go on once, Twyler.
[49:41] You made a comment about how there's a lot of positions and jobs being occupied by females that isn't very productive. And the thing that I'm curious about and the mathematics is as we get more productive and the amount of people that need to be in the economy or hours worked or however that's going to work, I'm afraid that men are more dangerous not working than women are.
[50:05] Okay, hang on, Tyler. What was my request? my specific request for you calling in?
[50:10] That if I could bring something to the table that you didn't bring up.
[50:14] Well, but something about how men have it tough. Not what are the consequences of men having it tough? Is there something that I missed? Because everyone's telling me, okay, boomer, you're out of touch. You don't get it. You don't get it. Okay. Is there something important that I missed? I think what the previous speaker touched on, which is COVID, is important. Is there anything you want to add in that or anything that not, well, what happens when men are alienated from society. I know that's bad. And that's one of the reasons I want to have these conversations. But is there anything that I missed? Because I don't want people at the end of this conversation to say, oh, but Stef, you still don't get it. So, you know, we've got a lot of people watching and listening. So this is your opportunity to tell me what I missed, not consequences, but what did I miss and how hard young men have it.
[50:59] So my line of reasoning, if you bring it to its conclusion, I think what you're missing is that Men aren't going to be able to get it back on the tracks because we're going to be attacked for trying to redirect it, right? To trying to fix these things.
[51:20] Okay. I mean, I understand that, right? But is there anything that I missed in terms of how hard men have it, not what are the consequences of trying to fix it?
[51:30] But that's precisely the problem, right? Like to right the wrongs, like the things that need to be done society and culturally, men have the ability to know how to fix the things, right? Like it's typical in a relationship when a female will tell you things and you'll give them solutions, but they don't really want a solution. They just want to be heard, right? Right. Men want to fix things. And when we go to fix these things, we're going to come up against a massive propaganda campaign and pressure socially, politically. And it's going to be very difficult.
[52:03] Can you give me an example? And obviously, let's not talk about violence in the show because the philosophy show, right? So can you give me an example of a peaceful solution that men would have that this propaganda campaign would be launched against? And I'm not disagreeing with you. I just want to make sure I understand the general category of what you're talking about.
[52:21] Well, the work. I think that women are better to be phased out of full-time work somehow.
[52:30] Somehow and no no the somehow the somehow is easy so are you saying something like let's have completely gender neutral employment laws, i wish no no is that the kind of thing that you're talking about.
[52:49] You have to define that for me, the gender neutral.
[52:51] So is there some law that is specifically beneficial towards women rather than towards men? Well, then that law would be invalid, right? So there wouldn't be equal pay for work of equal value. There wouldn't be requirements for a certain amount of men versus women in particular fields or occupations or management layers or anything like that, that the government would not interfere in the free negotiation of the exchange of value between sovereign adults.
[53:30] I would, yes, I would desire that, but the growth and metastasizing of the government is making it kind of difficult for us to have that future where only productive, free trade type of relationships make up the economy. Now the economy is so much fake, right, service sector and not real.
[53:53] Well, and this is not even to point out the amount of the economy that is around women's tchotchkes and white elephants and, you know, just go to the mall and, you know, 85 or 84% of domestic spending is controlled by women. And a lot of it is kind of nonsense. All right. Well, I appreciate that. And thank you, Tyler, for the update. And I will add that to the list. And thank you for that. And. Uh facts fax you are on what else have i missed what else can i add to this list and again we're probably not going to get comprehensive but anything major, uh don't forget to unmute.
[54:37] Uh i'm gonna narrow down the scope a little bit i represent what what would probably be a failure mode you're trying to prevent young guys from from ending up but there's many guys like me we did everything we tried everything we did all the recommendations and we still uh failed have you have you considered or read anything about the the high functioning autism and how that basically uh destroys a guy's chances in the mating market well.
[55:05] I'm talking about issues that are structural that are facing young men. As far as autism goes, that's not really a philosophical issue. So I really will not be able to address that. But of course, I understand that that's quite a challenge. All right. So let us go to count the MC. What do you got as far as setting me straight about what I'm missing? You will need to unmute.
[55:38] Oh, sorry about that. So one thing that you kind of touched adjacently on was with the mental health. But in terms of physical health, there's actually a pretty big disparity between men and women. And in some cases, men carry up to 45% higher disease burden or negative health impacts from common diseases. And then that tends to kind of continue to play out within society because, for example, someone like myself, I've had type 1 diabetes since I was 6 years old. I'm now 30, starting to lose vision and kidney function, and I'm expected to continue to be a productive member of society and be in the workforce for another 30 years. But the options for me in terms of getting assistance, in terms of all of that, or my health issues, and I know other guys in similar boats where we're being impacted harder because of health issues, where that's kind of pulling us out of the workforce. And, you know, how am I supposed to want to enter into a relationship with a woman when I'm not even sure I'm going to be able to provide for myself in 10, 15, 20 years?
[57:04] Well, I mean, listen, brother, you have my absolute deepest sympathies for that. Vision loss, of course, is alarming for anyone. And I'm really, really sorry that that's occurring for you. And I obviously wish you the very best with whatever countermeasures you can take against that. I'm really sympathized with that. And I'm very, very sorry. Do you feel that if you were a woman, and again, not disagreeing, I just want to make sure I understand this. Do you feel that if you're a woman, you would get access to better resources? Because, of course, you know, this kind of diabetes can hit women as well, right? But do you feel that it's uniquely male in terms of how it's hitting you?
[57:37] Well, sort of. I mean, I have a really great comparison in that my older sister was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes a couple of years before I was. Um and she she married uh somebody who is very very very wealthy and she you know she's never going to have to worry about paying for health care about you know paying for her um or her future she's basically set for life because of who she married and i don't fault her for for that i'm very very happy for her um it's a huge relief to me that she doesn't have to worry about that But I don't have that option. Like that's just not even that's really not something that I can even begin to pursue.
[58:19] No, that's and I completely understand that. And I appreciate that being brought up. It's not specifically modern, but it's certainly important in that an attractive woman can go online. And of course, it's not just sex work or OnlyFans or TikTok dances, but she can go and she can bag a husband who can. Um, pay for, pay for her bills. And that's really not the case for, for most men. It's very few men who are able to do that. And of course, the other thing too, is that for a man to be attractive enough for a woman to pay for him, he has to do a huge amount of work in the gym. You know, it's two hours a day in the gym and he's got to get the right balances of proteins and, and, uh, diet. And he's got to, you know, get the right amount of sleep. And, and whereas a woman in order to be attractive for the most part, I mean, there's certainly are exercise elements, but just don't eat too much. Like literally just don't eat too much. And you're pretty much good to go as a whole. So for a woman to bag a high value man requires her just being attractive, which mostly has to do with not eating too much. But for a man to bag a high value woman that has his belt paid for is a whole lot more work in general as a whole. So I appreciate that. And again, I really sympathize with what's going on for you health wise. That is a very tough situation And I wish you the very best. And I hope, of course, that all of this stuff gets dealt with health-wise down the road. All right, Austin, if you want to unmute, where have I missed the boat?
[59:47] Don't forget to unmute.
[59:52] Hey, can you get me, Stefan? Yes. Here's the thing that's going on with my, I'm a millennial. I notice this with people my age is, You have to re-educate women whenever you're dating them. There's a re-education that's going on. Because the colleges have really calcified their mind into the ideology of you don't need these specific men or whatever. But I dated a couple girls and they were like, well, men are raping women on the corners everywhere. I'm like, what? No, let me show you the data. Here's the data. Here's how this is. Here's how this is. It's a father thing. It's a very, that's what's going on. And a lot of men our age don't understand that we have a responsibility to do that right now.
[1:00:46] Oh, you mean to educate? I know that's like.
[1:00:49] Yes, you have to re-educate your woman. There's a thing that's going on that we're like, oh, we can't even get to... It's because they give up. Here's how it works. You have to be assertive in what you are as a man. It's actually a great time to date a woman because this is a way of showing your manhood in a wide voice. Because like for instance my mom and dad are boomers and my mom my mom's very like uh she she's not the she's more assertive in a lot of ways like she understands her like positions and she's she she can get away with what she says sometimes but like for people our age we get lost in the fact that we have to act like we did like our parents act we have to be like our parents but then the reality is as men our age we have to educate the women if you want to date a woman.
[1:01:50] Okay sorry i uh i think we're going around a bit in circles and i appreciate that distinction i will also add that women have stuff to teach us as well as uh as men right so i think the cross-pollination of wisdom between men and women is really really important uh that's not a specific danger so um that's not exactly what it is that i'm looking for in this part of the conversation but i really do appreciate that point of view yeah don't be afraid of course if the woman has got things wrong uh then you should tell her and you should give the reasons why and of course if um if you've got something wrong then the woman should tell you that uh so chedder man that's a familiar name uh just don't forget to unmute so what have i what have i missed what what have i got wrong.
[1:02:33] It's tough um i think uh the the mixed race component i don't think you really touched on it, but in particular, like white passing.
[1:02:45] I don't know what that phrase refers to, sorry.
[1:02:47] Oh, so like, at least from what I understand, it's like if you're mixed-raceous, let's say in particular if you're like Mexican, and also you're, and then you're, let's say in this example, your mother is like white, and so you appear more white than Mexican. And so because you have that appearance, you essentially, like a lot of the anti-white stuff falls on to you okay.
[1:03:19] I i appreciate that sorry go ahead.
[1:03:21] Oh i yeah and the the thing in in particular is like if you're like if you really intellectually care about honesty and you you're and you're in that position of being mixed race and let's say that parent that is that that is white doesn't really pass any cultural values then it's like you're not honest you don't like i think it just kind of add to that anxiety of like, of, um, or at least add to paralysis in my opinion.
[1:03:48] Okay. Now I appreciate that. I mean, that's obviously fairly specific and, um, I, I sympathize with that. I mean, I've obviously talked to, you know, mixed race, uh, kids, uh, they do have some identity issues. They can have, you know, slightly more mental health issues. It's not guaranteed and so on, but, uh, they do face sort of unique challenges, but of course that's not much to do with men as a whole. And I'm really just want to make sure that I get to issues that I've missed about men as a whole. All right. Blue nose. I think you're up. You just need to unmute. And what have I missed? Hello, hello. All right. Don't be the guy who's breaking the chain here, man. You just need to unmute. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. All right. So I'm going to have to remove him. And let's go with, we've talked to that, Keaton. What's on your mind? You could just going to unmute and tell me what I got wrong.
[1:04:56] I was actually wondering what your thoughts on semen retention are. It's not something...
[1:05:03] Okay, well, what have I asked for in this conversation?
[1:05:07] You said, what did you miss?
[1:05:09] Yeah, what did I miss about the barriers? Hang on, hang on. What did I miss about the barriers that young men are facing in the world today? I'm pretty sure that semen retention is not one of them. So, do you have something for the topic?
[1:05:21] Well, the barriers are their own mind, and they're being told to good.
[1:05:27] Okay, well, that's not going to be something we're going to do. Okay, I don't even know what this is, some sort of Elon Musk-named forehead on the keyboard kind of thing, but you're up?
[1:05:42] Good morning, good morning. I won't speak English. I'll go first. Goodbye, goodbye. that.
[1:05:49] Well, that's interesting. I don't know what he was saying, but good for him. I'm sure he agreed with me completely. All right. Not today, crawler. What have you got, my friend? How can you help me help the world better by telling me what I have missed? Not today, crawler. Not today, Zerg! What you got? Don't forget to unmute.
[1:06:20] Yes. Hello.
[1:06:21] Yes. Go ahead.
[1:06:22] Hey, thank you so much for talking to me. So I do want to add, I think that, well, you might've mentioned this briefly in a way, but I think that we also have a problem of other men kind of crabs in a bucketing for, for men. Men don't have the same amount of counseling, you know, like you might have older male mentors or whatever else, but then you go on like YouTube, social media, you name it. You have red pill channels like, oh, women trash, women bad, women bad because of this. But they don't say, okay, women bad. Here's what you do or, you know, whatever else. It's just, you'll go your own way. Like, oh, you're stupid for getting married. So a lot of men are just like, well, they kind of start to buy into that after a while. Right. So a lot of men aren't going out in public or finding a male mentor, male role model, you know, father figures, uncle, you name it, you know, so that would, I would say other men can pull men down at times, right? What do you think about that?
[1:07:25] I think that's an excellent point. And I don't disagree with you at all. I think, and listen, I want to be sensitive because I'm really digging into what's going wrong for young men in culture and society at the moment. So the last thing I want to do is say, well, just shake it off, because that's not a reasonable thing. And I really would never say that to anyone anyway. But what I am, what I would say is that everyone's had at some time or another in their life, that depressed friend, you know, let's call him Bob, right? And Bob is just, just down, man. And you just can't see a way forward. And maybe he smokes some drugs and maybe he's a little too much on the video and the prawn or whatever. Right. And, and Bob is just, you know, he calls you up and it's like, hey man, you know, I'm just, I'm just hanging out. I'm already kind of down. I didn't really sleep well last night. You know, I think I'm gaining weight and, and, and listen, we all have our peaks and troughs. We all have a roller coaster, but there's always this concern that.
[1:08:28] Bob ain't going to be lifted up, but what he's going to do is drag you down. And that's a delicate balance, right? Do you try and help him? Sure. He's your friend, you know, he helped you when you were down. But if he's just pulling you down further, what do you do? That's a tough thing. And I think everyone's had that kind of friend at one time or another in their life. I mean, if you haven't, you probably haven't had enough friends. And it's tough, right? Because then if you say, listen, man, you got to do something because, you know, we've been talking about this for like three months and nothing has changed you're still doing the drugs you're still doing the video you're still doing the prawn you're not getting out of the house you're not exercising you're not getting sunlight you're not socializing like i'm concerned that i'm not able to pull you up you're just gonna pull me down and the same thing i think is true with guys who don't date and you know they say single women keep women single right and there's a little bit of true that with men as well that let's say that you kind of break out of this fear of women in a coffee shop and you go and talk to a woman in a coffee shop, you get a couple of dates, your friend might be upset about that. He might actually sort of pull you back about that or, oh, you're just such a, you're such a simp, right? And like anytime I show any sort of sensitivity to or sympathy towards women, I just get endless messages, man, China, and you simp, and you cuck, and you white knight, and you boomer, and you're like, and it's like, you know.
[1:09:44] That's a dead end. Like that level of rage on me, right, is a dead end. And that level of rage on women is a dead end. And maybe I'll have a, I mean, I hope to have a conversation with Andrew Wilson. We were going back a little bit and forth and not in any negative way. I mean, I respect the guy and he said, I'm a kind of a fan, but we're going to have a conversation about, he says, women are to blame. And it's like, okay, but if women are to blame, then there's something about female nature that is different from male nature, which means women aren't to blame. It's like if you've got a bunch of pygmies who are shorter than Danish people, and you say, well, pygmies are shorter, you don't blame them because there's something in the genetics, because height is 100% genetic. There's something in the genetics that means it's not their fault. So you really can't get there. But I really do appreciate you bringing up that topic. And no, I'm not going to go to that person.
[1:10:32] May I just do one more thing? Sure. This was the last thing I was going to say. A sign that there is a first principles problem that is largely being ignored by everybody that just clicked for me like last week, circumcision. The fact that circumcision is so popular and is what that is, I think that needs to click in more people's mind.
[1:10:58] That is a fantastic thing uh to to talk about i've had i've got an entire presentation people can find it at fdrpodcast.com and it's fantastic to bring that up it's sort of embarrassing for me to forget it but i'm really glad you brought it up that of course circumcision has been around for a long time i just fdrpodcast.com you can do a search i've got the whole truth about circumcision it's absolutely brutal it it raises cortisol levels six months after birth it is often performed without anesthetic and it is just about the most vicious thing that you can do to hack off a third of a man's penis skin, a boy's, a baby's, an infant's penis skin the moment they get out of the womb is absolutely barbaric and brutal and should be relegated to the trash heap of history in the same way that we do in any civilized nation for female genital mutilation. So I appreciate you bringing that up. All right. Let us move on to the, oh my God, I don't know who's going off. We got a lot of people who want to chat. That's fine. All right. I appreciate that. And we will talk to, Disorder Club. Disorder Club, if you want to unmute, I'm all ears. Hello? Yes, go ahead.
[1:12:10] Uh so i have a kind of cynical take i want to know what you think about this.
[1:12:15] Is hang on is this related to the question that i've asked.
[1:12:18] Could it be that we're kind of reviewing it.
[1:12:21] No do you hang on hang on hang on hang on do you know what it is that i'm i've asked for.
[1:12:31] You're asking me to add to the argument yes.
[1:12:35] And if you could move a little closer to the mic i I can barely hear you. What is it that I've missed in terms of the difficulties facing young men?
[1:12:45] That women don't really want men. They weren't evolved to want men.
[1:12:50] So women weren't evolved to want men. Is that your belief?
[1:12:54] I believe that misandrist and antinatalist sentiments in women were evolved because women never had a choice to breed.
[1:13:02] And now we're going through an adjustment period where women who want to breed are breeding. but most women don't want to breed.
[1:13:13] Okay, so are you saying that historically men wanted to breed and women didn't want to breed?
[1:13:19] Yes, because men are the ideal, right? Like a man could figure out what to do with his time. Everyone mimics what men are doing. Men are the ideal. Women don't know what to do with their time. Women resort to looking for safety from men.
[1:13:36] Okay, hang on, hang on. So you're galloping along and I'm still trying to process the first point. So if women don't want to breed, why do they get so many orgasms?
[1:13:47] Most women don't orgasm from penetration.
[1:13:52] Did I say from penetration? Women can have multiple orgasms, which men really can't. So if nature had evolved women to not breed, why would women have strong sexual desire and multi-orgasmic sex reasonably often?
[1:14:17] Well, women are evolved to breed. Some of them do want to breed, but it seems like if you give them the choice, most of them don't want to. Because we've been select we haven't been selecting women who want to breed we've just been forcing them all to breed.
[1:14:30] Okay how how are we forced hang on hang on hang on you you you're going through a lot it's funny how people just say this stuff like it's just incontrovertible two and two make four women have been forced to breed how have women been forced to breed.
[1:14:45] Uh societal pressure religion.
[1:14:47] No come on be precise, men don't talk about societal pressure being the same as forcing someone there's societal there's societal pressure that i wear uh pants and and not my underpants to them all i mean maybe that's legal or whatever right but don't talk about force being the same as societal pressure you can say no to societal pressure and not get shot are.
[1:15:11] More agreeable right so they.
[1:15:13] But it's not force it's not hang on influence is not come on is influence force no.
[1:15:22] Okay i don't i don't mean forced i mean like.
[1:15:24] You said forced sorry.
[1:15:26] Well because there was force at one point right like they were.
[1:15:28] Okay so tell me where was the force rape okay was there rape throughout human history absolutely talking in the west rape has been illegal for millennia in just about every society.
[1:15:39] Yeah, but, okay.
[1:15:45] I won't have you besmirch my forefathers by calling them all rapists. I'm talking- Without really good evidence.
[1:15:53] I'm talking early evolution and then- Okay.
[1:15:57] Hang on, hang on. Early evolution is not some big cloak you can hide behind. What do you mean? Are you talking cavemen?
[1:16:04] Are we saying that women don't come together and collectively decide things for women?
[1:16:15] What the hell are you talking about? You said women were forced to have babies.
[1:16:24] Early evolution, yeah.
[1:16:26] Okay, tell me what you're talking about. What's the evidence?
[1:16:30] Well, there were no abortions back, like before civilization, right?
[1:16:36] So all women who don't have an abortion have been forced.
[1:16:40] No, I'm just wondering if women really just are just biologically predisposed to need men.
[1:16:47] No, no, bro. Oh, my God. Can you? Are you doing 19 things at once? Can you stay on the argument? Are you saying that our forefathers were all rapists?
[1:16:59] No, I'm saying at one point before we were civilized.
[1:17:03] Okay, what point is that? And what proof do you have that prehistoric civilizations, the men were all rapists?
[1:17:13] There was a threat of rape right always.
[1:17:17] I don't know you're making the case make your case i don't know make the case i mean it would seem to me kind of tough to figure out what it would seem to me hang on it would seem to me kind of tough to figure out what happened in prehistory given that it is after all prehistory and there's not any particular evidence my.
[1:17:34] Case is that men were never selecting for women who really wanted to be mothers and wives they were just breeding with women and women had like way less of a choice in the matter whether it's from.
[1:17:46] Okay but you're just saying the same thing over and over again i'm asking for some evidence some proof you got to make proof for these assertions right i.
[1:17:53] I did i said uh societal pressure from other women and religion specifically.
[1:17:57] Okay so uh no no no no not doing it i'm not i'm not having you i'm not having you on here to uh disrespect all of our ancestors by calling them all rapists because there's social pressure. Jesus, Lord above. Sorry to be rude, but no, that's not a thing. If I can't figure out what the hell you mean after talking with you for five or 10 minutes and you won't ask simple questions, I am not going to continue the conversation. No, no, no, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. So I appreciate the conversation, but if I can't figure out what you're talking about and you haven't made any proof other than assertions, and I keep telling you that social pressure is not forced, and you keep going back to that, not going to happen. All right.
[1:18:40] Why are you missing?
[1:18:40] No, no. Can you please respect? All right. I guess I'll just have to, I've asked you to stop talking, but I'll just have to remove you from the speakers because I don't know why it is that I make a simple request that people stop talking and they just can't do it. All right. But it's okay. He's forcing himself on me. All right. Gorgay. Gorgay. You just have to unmute. What's on your mind, man? Tell me, tell me what I got missed. What did I miss about, go ahead.
[1:19:07] Hello, can you hear me better now? Yes. So your question is, what have I missed about helping young men? And my response is.
[1:19:18] No. No, my question is, what have I missed about the barriers that young men are facing?
[1:19:23] Information. They have been bombarded by the manosphere and the red pill that there is something wrong with the woman. And there is nothing they need to do if only they can guilt the woman to change. That is wrong. We need...
[1:19:47] Okay, so the barrier is men saying to young men that there's something wrong with women and that the men need to change women. Is that right?
[1:19:56] The barrier is the messaging is wrong. The narrative that the woman is evil, the woman is conniving, the woman is mischievous, the woman is crooked, the woman is going to play tricks on you. That is misinformation.
[1:20:13] I mean, there are some bad women out there, and there are some bad men out there, and there are a lot of good women out there, a lot of good men out there. So are you saying that this universalization of the negative aspects of some women to all women or female nature, that's the misinformation?
[1:20:27] Yes, because all it's doing is creating JEDA was. It's not equipping the man with the necessary information on how to engage the woman. And so, therefore, you have now a swath of a population of very young people who view women as something that is in need of being fixed, something that is broken. And when the mindset is that, then the rules of engagement are so skewed against the same exact man who comes up with the bravado, he has been fed by the manosphere and the red you that the other person is the one that needs to change. And now the woman is smiling and asking, what do you think you can change about me? Nothing. All you need is information so that you can craft for yourself the rules of engagement with this woman.
[1:21:30] The woman stays the same. And to your point, you say there are some evil women. Yes, they are called feminist, and they go out of their way to paint themselves other than a woman. They reject the man outright. That one you're not changing. Now, the problem is with the radio messaging is that even that woman is included in the bucket list of the things you need to change. Don't focus on that woman. That is never going to be a man's woman. Focus on the woman who is mariable. Focus on the woman who is still in touch with the roles of her nature and the universe. That one, now, come with the right information and engage that woman. She will settle into her essence and she will make family out of you. She will settle into her womanhood. She will nurture the children. She will reciprocate the love with honor and respect and follow and submission to the right man. That is the missionary.
[1:22:41] That is beautiful, and I really appreciate you mentioning that. I also will tell you that is one of the greatest accents in the history of my show, and I appreciate that. I feel my hips loosening already. And thank you very much. I would just disagree with you on one thing. I would not call feminists evil because it's a freedom of speech issue. I would call them incorrect and so on, but I would not call them evil. All right, big tech. Come on, help me, help me, help me. What have I got wrong? What am I missing? How can you un-boomer my brain? Don't forget to unmute.
[1:23:18] Did you call me, Stefan?
[1:23:20] I did. I didn't call you, Stefan, but go ahead.
[1:23:26] Thanks. Hey, I admit I came in maybe halfway through this conversation, so if you covered this already, forgive, but I want to see if you've already touched on the fact of birth control becoming an issue in the relationships.
[1:23:38] Now, is it the argument, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but something like birth control alters a woman's perception of who she finds attractive? she gets with a guy who maybe is a little bit more, a little bit less masculine because she's on birth control. They go off birth control in order to have kids and she wakes up and she's like, ew, soy boy. Is it something like that or other things as well?
[1:23:58] Well, that's an issue too, but that's not the one that I'm meaning to point to. Okay, sorry, go ahead. It does change the hormone. Yeah, it does change the hormonal balance of the woman and it changes things about her psychology maybe on that level. But really on a utilitarian level, it turns a woman in from the natural position of needing a man, needing a pair-bonded relationship with a man who's going to provide for her and protect for her and the children that are the natural consequence of their bonding. Now she doesn't need him because she can sleep with him and then break up with him or move on from him and bounce to a thousand of them without ever encountering the natural consequence of pregnancy, so she doesn't have to pair bond with a man for life, doesn't have to, care for her and the children. Sorry, let's repeat that.
[1:24:49] You garbled out. Repeat that again?
[1:24:56] Since she doesn't have the natural consequence of pregnancy, when she mates with a man, she can now select to bounce to a thousand different partners with no consequence of pregnancy, so therefore, she doesn't have to select a man who's going to bond with her for life.
[1:25:12] Okay, so let me, and I appreciate that. Sorry, let me just interrupt. I'm sorry to interrupt. So I appreciate that. That's a great point. Let me just, let's just play it out though. So let's say that there's no government redistribution of wealth, right? Let's say the woman can't get subsidies from the government. She can't get wealth for old age pensions, healthcare, like it is impossible. It's a stateless society or at least a non-coercively redistributive society as far as that goes which is of course most of human history so how does this play out the woman being on birth control let's say sleeping around how does this play out in, a society where she can't run to the government for money.
[1:25:55] Yeah i think that those related issues i mean how does it play probably uh.
[1:26:07] Yeah, I'm sorry, man. I'm so sorry. I'm going to have to dump you. My apologies, but you're just garbling out. You've got bad connection. So my apologies. I'll just talk about this really briefly. So in the situation where the woman, and men do this too, military-industrial complex, so I'm not, you know, and government loans and subsidies, which a lot of times go to men. So I'm not saying that only women take money from the government. Of course not, right? But in this particular instance, if a woman, you know, goes on birth control, sleeps around, then she can work. And then she can chew through her very limited fertility window, right? A man can have kids in his 80s. A woman is pretty much done at 40, at least as far as safe pregnancies go.
[1:26:47] So- She then sleeps around a lot and then she loses her sex appeal because she ages out and she's still got another, you know, close to half century to go, right? 40 to 90, right? So I have 85, 45 years or whatever, right? So then what, right? So then she has not been able to lock down and pair bond with the man. She has no kids. A man is not really going to want to marry her because any successful man that is around is going to want to marry a younger woman if he's single and have kids.
[1:27:14] So if she is on the birth control but can't go to the government for money it's very tough for her to get the money that she needs to retire to get the companionship and she's going to have a very tough time for the last half of her life which is going to be kind of different for men so i appreciate that all right telena if you want to again if you're queued up i know we got a lot of people want to talk and i appreciate that i have another thing that i want to talk about let's really exhaust the audience tonight come on i'm on my 60 you can stamina with me telena what have i got wrong what have i missed out on what young men are facing a.
[1:27:47] Honor to speak with you thanks Stefan um i i guess the point i want to make is just how uh out of the box uh hostile so many of these women are to just the idea of a male um, You know, I was trying to think of which example to provide you.
[1:28:06] Oh, no, I don't need examples. I fully accept there are a lot of hostile women out there. To be fair, there are a lot of hostile men. Now, of course, the men will say, well, I'm only hostile because the women are hostile. And the women, of course, say, well, I'm only hostile because the men are hostile and so on. So you don't have to sell me on the fact that there are a lot of hostile women out there, to which I say, so freaking what? You're looking for that 1%. This is a top 1% audience. So you're looking for that top 1% people. If a woman is hostile, she's just saved you a lot of time. If she's hostile up front, you go talk to someone in a coffee shop and she's like, screw off, patriarch. It's like, whoa, okay, well, thank you. You just saved me a whole lot of time and effort. And I appreciate the clarity that you have brought to this interaction. I mean, I know it's not pleasant and all of that. But I mean, if you're going to hire someone and they steal in the job interview, they steal something from you, you don't hire them. You get your pen back or whatever, right? And you don't hire them, and then they don't end up stealing a million dollars from you. So it's, no, I'm not saying it's pleasant, but it's good. Whereas when I was younger, the hostility was often, you know, this is sort of one of the points I'm making on X, is that when I was younger, because...
[1:29:16] Women conformed more to the prior women's and men's expectations, it was much harder to find the crazy people because they could camouflage a lot better. Now, the crazy people are out there in the open, right? They got their face tattoos. They got tattoos all over their body. They got weird hair. They've got bizarre opinions. They've got weird clothing and obesity on body types. So the unstable or the not appropriate for the sort of the top 1%, they're signaling and people are like, well, what do you mean? There's a lot of women out there who are kind of negative, crazy, and hostile. I'm like, okay, I fully accept that. And they're doing you a favor. How is this a bad thing?
[1:29:57] So you're right about that. But the issue is the, um, you talk about 1%. I feel like when I speak with women of previous generations, they don't, and you might be right. Maybe it's, maybe they're just hiding it better, but they don't seem to have this overt, um, automatic hostility to the idea of a man. In fact, you know, when I listen to older women, there seems to be a level of appreciation that is just absent from the younger women. And, and it's just, it's, you know, and I could mention a time when I was working in a workplace where, you know, I think it's a wonderful thing. You know, my grandparents worked together and they got married and it was a wonderful thing. And, and whereas at this workplace, they were so tilted against, you know, this whole clique of women were so tilted against men that essentially they regarded my, um, my, uh, what's my effort and my, you know, uh, energy of, of sort of wanting to, um, do so. I, the, the word fell out of my head, but essentially my, my, uh.
[1:31:06] Your drive, your competence, your excellence. Yeah, exactly.
[1:31:09] They regarded that as, I heard phrases, overheard phrases like fragile male ego, things of that nature. So, I mean, it's really, the landscape is just not hospitable. And you're absolutely right. You're only looking for that top 1%. And thank goodness that the crazy ones. But, you know, I don't think there was as much obesity in the past. And I don't think there was as much tattoos in the past.
[1:31:34] Well, but male obesity is a little bit higher in America than female obesity. And listen, you're right. So the reason why a lot of women are hostile towards men is because they're exploiting men through the power of the state, right? This is getting twice out of tax. It's what you pay in and the men getting half out. So you have to dehumanize those you exploit, because if you see them as fully human, you can't exploit them anymore. Like the slave owner has to view the slaves as less than human. He has to view them as beasts of burden, as inferior, as livestock or whatever, because he's exploiting them. And so the previous generation was raised by women who benefited from male attention and companionship, whereas the current generation of women were raised by women, a lot of whom have single moms and addicts to state resources and so on. They are exploiting men, and so they have to dehumanize men. But you don't want to be with someone who dehumanizes men as a whole, right? Because that's going to be pretty brutal for you. So I appreciate that point and I thank you for bringing that up. All right, samurai, samurai, let us commit Sudoku together. What is on your mind? Don't forget to unmute. Yes, I can.
[1:32:48] Hey, hopefully you haven't touched on this. I've been in and out of the conversation, but besides that, one thing to touch on your point with the problem with men, something I've noticed, especially growing up in the 90s, is that it seems like nowadays a lot of men seem to suffer from lack of fathers, high internet usage, which I'm used to plaque to. And that's pretty much my point. I've noticed a lot of blackpilling with young men, and they tend to not put in effort, especially ones raped in single-parent households. For me, it would be the biggest problem in communities I've been in.
[1:33:33] Yeah, and I think young men feel abandoned by their elders, and that's why I think a lot of the—that's a great point, and I appreciate you bringing it up. And I do think that young men feel abandoned by their elders and betrayed by their elders, which again, I completely understand. I'm sort of, in a sense, happy to take the rage of the young men, you know, who are like, you know, F off you out of touch boomer and stuff like that, because yeah, you've, you've been shafted by your elders. And in particular, the boomers, I feel shafted by the boomers as well. So I'm with you as far as that goes. All right. James P., if you want to unmute, what if, what if I missed in my analysis and understanding of what young men are facing? Hello yes go ahead.
[1:34:18] Yeah sorry that uh freaked out there for a sec um i don't know if you covered towards the beginning but um uh the sort of competition between uh men versus women having men and other women on their side sort of a deference to um sort of like in-group female preference versus uh more competition between like individual men sort of like cock blocking, Although, I mean, when we do that to you.
[1:34:49] Sorry, that was a bit of a scattershot there, cock blocking that women do too. I'm not sure I've seen those videos. But tell me a little bit, can you give me sort of a more practical example? And I'm not disagreeing with you, I just want to make sure I understand what you're talking about.
[1:35:02] Sort of just like a general deference that, for instance, if there's, let's say there were a relationship between a man and a woman, if there were some sort of conflict, men would flock to the side of the woman because it's competitive to get her, you know, be in her favor. And then for other women, they would also flock to that woman because there's more of an in-group uh like social support for other women.
[1:35:31] More there's no social support for men i'm sure you've seen these videos where a woman is really upset in public uh and and everyone comforts her whereas a man is really upset everyone just goes around him or a woman a woman is being physically aggressive to a man and everyone avoids it and then a man is physically aggressive to a woman and everyone jumps in yeah i mean that's uh that is uh the white knight stuff i'll rescue you from that big old man and maybe you'll sleep with me. And that definitely is male betrayal for the sake of, uh, female acceptance is a huge issue. Uh, it's not in particular for, for young men, uh, at the moment because it's been historical, but it definitely is a huge issue. And I appreciate you. I appreciate you bringing that up. All right. For low, sorry. That's, uh, I, oh, we get into the bottom of the list. No, we're not. All right. But I want to, I want to get everyone's, uh, a gorgeous algorithm. If you want to unmute, what have I missed? What have I missed? Well, how can I be schooled and educated on young men these days? Don't forget to unmute.
[1:36:37] All right. I'm not hearing anything. Oh, are you with me? All right. You are not with me. That's all right. You know, it's been a lengthy show. I don't even have to pee yet. Tim, Tim J., if you want to get your larynx in here, caress my ears with your velvet tones, my friend, and tell me what am I missing, with regards to young men. Don't forget to unmute.
[1:37:16] So I was curious, would you say that the dynamic between young men and women has deteriorated over a recent time period, like perhaps the past 10 years?
[1:37:27] Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that the propaganda has just landed like a ton of bricks on the hearts, minds, and wounds of women. Of course, everyone's seen these graphs of this like massive spike in leftist hysteria, while the men have often either been stable or gone more slightly conservative. So, unfortunately, the bitter fruit of the long walk through the institutions of the leftist has borne its bitter crop with regards to the minds of women these days. So, I do think that that definitely has escalated. But again, if you're a thinking man, you don't want to be with an unthinking woman. It's exhausting. It's debilitating. It's hell. And so, the fact that there's a lot of women who are now openly and nakedly saying, I don't think for myself. I've just been told that these things are bad and these things are good. So I just accept that these things are bad and these things are good. So they've revealed themselves as NPCs and they've taken themselves out of the consideration of my kind of listeners, the top 1%. They've taken themselves out of that consideration. So it's only the promiscuous who are upset that more women have been propagandized because women have always been propagandized, as have men, of course, and I'll get to that towards the end of the show.
[1:38:37] But yeah, there has been definitely. But all that's happening is the NPCs are now self-stamping. Like they might as well put on that gray mask, you know, with the L-shaped nose and the blank eyes and the I support the current thing and the flags and that. So they're now self-stamping. They're saying, I don't think for myself.
[1:38:58] And I support the current thing. And men are like, well, that's terrible. And I'm like, but is it really though? Because you don't want to marry a woman who seems to be able to think and then find out that she's just an NPC. At least they're self-stamping right up front. And of course, some of them may be open to reason. We all start from a state of propaganda. That's the natural state of a corrupt society. That's the kind of fallen society that we live in. Reason has not been a central value in the West for well over 120 years, probably 130 years. And so we all start from a state of propaganda. I mean, I was a socialist when I was younger. And so we all start from a state of propaganda. And then some people put their efforts into helping us learn how to think and what people do in that fork in the road, right? What people do when you are given a startling new thought or something comes that doesn't fit, right? This is the Thomas Sowell thing. Like he started as a Marxist.
[1:39:51] What do you do when somebody gives you information that is outside your programming that is the moment where you generally either come to life or stay dead forever and so you know recognize that we are none of us are responsible for the contents of her mind when we're young not foundationally because there's so much propaganda and it's not just in school right it's all over the media it's all over religion these days. It's just relentless and overwhelming. And so no young person owns their mind. We are all colonized by sophists and we have to claw back, you know, foot by foot, sand grain by sand grain. We have to claw back. Our own minds from the from the occupation of sophists and we can help each other with that but sorry go ahead.
[1:40:40] I'm with you i i kind of wanted to get your opinion on one particular aspect, uh it's a concern of mine uh and it's sort of the uh the onset of just like smartphones um social media dating apps and things like that sorry oh.
[1:41:00] Smartphones sorry go ahead.
[1:41:02] Smartphones social media dating apps and there's this idea that it's kind of changed the entire dynamic or the landscape because the women have sort of unlimited options for partners and they can also hide kind of like fidelity like for example you know they have instagram or something you never know who's in their inbox right it could be anyone in your area and they can select for extremes and get all kinds of, you know, any type of partner. Yep.
[1:41:34] For sure. So you have to have a woman of morality and integrity without a doubt. So what the internet has done, and there's a whole other topic, right? And so I'll just, I'll keep this super, super brief. So what the internet has done is it's hollowed out the middle because when I was a kid, I grew up at two government run television stations and there was no really, and all the media was just trash and lies and falsehood and garbage. And there was no internet. So maybe you could go to the library and if you dug up long enough, you might find some counter narrative. But it was really hard to trust and you couldn't validate stuff really very well at all. So what the internet has done is it has given people massive amount of either counter information or propaganda reinforcement.
[1:42:23] And so when you are, as I said before, when you hit with a new piece of information, your mind either recalls against it and calls it evil, and then you just run off to the security of the familiar propaganda, or you say, oh, I've not heard that before. I wonder what that means. And you start to become curious and explore. There's no middle anymore, right? And everyone recognizes you call two extremists, right? But, I mean, an extremism of truth is not extremism. It's just, you know, an absolutism in reality. So yeah there's a lot of people who get hit with alternate information or opposing information or you know like when i was growing up mccarthyism oh mccarthy joseph mccarthy the senator from wisconsin was just crazy and he hallucinated all of these these these communists in the state department and communists everywhere and he was just wrong and mccarthyism was just a witch hunt and blah blah blah blah and then i did a whole presentation on mccarthy uh he was right i mean he was actually much more right than he thought. So you get this counter information and then you're like, it's kind of creepy because then you realize how much you've been lied to and so on.
[1:43:26] So with the internet, nobody has any excuse for sitting in propaganda anymore because the opposite facts or at least counter information is right there available to everyone. So if somebody stays in propaganda, they're too demoralized to be a good mother for your children because what you want is a mother who's going to help your children learn how to think. And if she is a propaganda queen, then she's not going to be able to do that and you just want to, you know, sadly but graciously move on. All right. Thank you for your comments. Pepito, what's on your mind, my friend? Please, school me. School me. Own me. Own me in what I've got wrong.
[1:44:06] Much appreciated opportunity. Look, five or six points. Marriage, you're going to play roulette with bad odds. You have no guaranteed access to your kids. I know it's a lot, but I have I'd like to hear opinions on these. Marriage is not even the worst risk. You have IPD and DV lawfare that is basically a trap.
[1:44:29] I'm sorry. I'm having trouble following what you're saying. Could you get a bit closer to the mic and slow down a bit?
[1:44:35] I do apologize.
[1:44:36] No, it's not your fault. It could be me.
[1:44:39] My headset. Is that better?
[1:44:41] Much better. Thank you. If you can start again, I'd appreciate that.
[1:44:44] Oh, yeah. Thank you so much. so just a few points one for the other marriage you're going to play a rat with bad odds um with divorce uh normal divorce number two uh you have no guaranteed access to your kids she can change your mind and uproot you uh parental alienation is an unchecked thing in the culture of these days number three marriage is not even the risk you have ipd and dvd is even far before uh what is IPV, intimate personal violence, false allegations.
[1:45:16] Okay, got it.
[1:45:17] Number four.
[1:45:18] I mean, she could even theoretically just beat her own head against the door and get.
[1:45:22] You thrown in jail. And the neighbors could call the police when she screams, you know, out of her mind for whatever reason.
[1:45:27] And the police in general will always arrest you, and they will always believe the woman. And yeah, it's very dangerous. I get that.
[1:45:34] Number four, office work is not safe anymore. False indigations are right there, and nobody will protect you, personal experience. Number five, deadimaps are the main way youngsters meet. That's how they are screwed because of what dating apps create a pergamy and women don't want to settle, women don't settle. And finally, oh yeah, I didn't finish writing that point, so I'll just leave it at that.
[1:46:02] No, I appreciate that. And I touched on those issues. You really can't touch on them too much, so I really do appreciate you bringing that up. All right. Let's do one or two more. Some people got some very strange usernames, man. Okay, Jomar. Jomar. Take me to church, man. What have I got wrong? You will need to unmute. All right. I want to get to my final point here, so I'm going to remove him because he ain't talking to me. It's like my conscience. Rita Knapper. Rita Napster. Rita Knapper. Help me out, brother. What am I messed up? What am I boomering on? Unboomer me. Don't forget to unmute. Well, okay, I guess. Yeah, go ahead.
[1:47:05] Me? Can you hear me?
[1:47:07] Yeah.
[1:47:08] All right, okay, one sec. Sorry, I'm just going to go somewhere where I didn't think I'd be up this quick.
[1:47:18] You may be a premature elaborator, but we'll do our best. I'll pretend not to be disappointed.
[1:47:25] Okay, yeah, no, I was just thinking about what you said about, you know, But hopefully, you know, women who had kind of like free of, you know, broken out of propaganda. And it seems to me more so that the other side than women are trying to get into propaganda. It's like, it's like.
[1:47:48] Hang on, hang on. Sorry, you're cutting out quite a bit. You don't have any better signal or anything, do you? If you can go outside or I don't know if you're on a cell phone or something like that. Are you saying that people, women want to get into propaganda?
[1:48:01] You know what, you're echoing really bad as well, so I'm going to drop out because I'm not going to be able to speak to you like this, sorry.
[1:48:09] Okay, no problem, I appreciate that. I've certainly had my issues with tech over the years. All right, I think we've got everyone that I think we can get to. Wait, there's one person I didn't talk to yet. Sunday, Sunday, chatty Sunday, what's on your mind? Don't forget to unmute.
[1:48:29] What have we got? Yes. Okay. I'm going to make one quick point. Um, I think, I think it's a combination of two things. Number one, men are taking too long to figure out the dating game and why it's important to actually have children. So by the time they figure out, you know, they've got, they've, they've, they've completely turned over the propaganda. They are no longer, um, demoralized. They are motivated, but by the time they get to that point, they have severely, um, missed their window to actually do anything about it. That's, that's my point. Number one point, number two would be, it is more difficult nowadays to meet people because I think that 1% you're talking about is actually doing a majority of their dating online. Online so if so you're so your barrier to entry to a woman is more difficult because you know you know you can go to the bar you can go to the library you can go to the restaurant you can go to the um the church but a lot of these women are self-selecting out of those places for online where their um their criteria have been warped where they will no longer give the average guy a chance.
[1:49:46] Right. And my listenership is not average guys. So the fact that these guys won't give an average guy a chance is, uh, is something to be, uh, to be welcomed. I mean, if you are a nuclear physicist, you don't want a job at, uh, a fast food place. And so if the fast food place isn't, uh, hiring, uh, that's not really that important to you. Sorry, I'm just cancel that, but I appreciate that. All right. So I've given you all, and I really, really appreciate everyone coming in with these comments. And again, I know we haven't done it all, but let me finish up with what I've been doing. Has it been sneaky? Has it been underhanded? No, but I can see how you might see it that way. So what have I been up to? Everyone's been kind of surprised for the last couple of days. Stef, what are you doing? What's going on? How dare you speak to us in this manner? How dare you shame and blame young men? It's not their fault. They didn't build the system. Right. Yes, exactly. You didn't build the system. You inherited the system.
[1:50:56] Hey, you know who else didn't build the system? You know who else inherited the system? The young women. No, the young women are responsible. This is what people told me. They're adults. They're responsible. Okay. Then you are also responsible as a man. Whatever you lay on the women you have to accept yourself it's one freaking dial dial up responsibility for women you dial up responsibility for yourself you blame women you have to accept responsibility you have to logically i mean you can have this double standards but then you're just an asshole and as somebody who's had double standards and been an asshole i say this with all humility right i'm not finger wagging from some noble position of guru-like perfection Thank you.
[1:51:50] So I'm saying it's up to you, and you get mad, and you say, no, it's impossible, the system is so bad that I can't win. Right, right. And I accept that argument. I'm not saying I fully agree with it, I accept the argument. But if you say, the system is rigged against me, I can't win, And I know this is tough, but the system is also rigged against women, and they can't win, and they're not winning, because women are getting progressively more and more unhappy every decade that modernity steps forward and takes their precious eggs and their uterus in their womb and blows it into intergalactic, propagandized socialist dust, pours it into the stratosphere, where it vanishes into nothing. So when I say, you're responsible, you got to fix this. And you say, hey, I'm not responsible. I didn't build it. I can't fix it. The same is true for the women you're wooing. I mean, I didn't even hint at this. I said it openly. People didn't want to hear.
[1:53:06] So when a lot of men were saying to me, I can't talk to women in a coffee shop. If I talk to a woman in a, if I say hi to a woman in a coffee shop, I could go to jail. And I say, well, how, how do you go to jail for saying hi to a woman in a coffee shop? And then people send me these pictures of like, well, some baristas were like, some guy was talking to a woman, take off the lid of the cup. If you need any help, are you okay? Okay. So some, you know, kind of paranoid, jumpy, mentally ill person, perhaps like a million miles away. And now you can't talk to women. Right. So I say, go talk to women. And you say, well, I can't talk to women. I'll go to jail. And I say, what's the proof? Doesn't matter. Nobody gives me any proof. Nobody gives me any citations.
[1:53:57] In other words, you've been propagandized. After Me Too, which was about men in power, exploiting women sexually for the sake of advancing their careers or destroying their careers we're talking the Harvey Weinsteins the people in the music industry like that's what the me too was about men in power not young men in coffee shops so the men said well I'm not going to talk to women because I don't want to bug them 60% of women of men I'm not going to talk to women so you got propagandized, We all get propagandized. I'm not blaming you for that. I'm just pointing out that it's true. And once you recognize your own susceptibility to propaganda, you can have some sympathy for how the women have been propagandized.
[1:54:53] You can say, well, yes, but my propaganda is to feel really shitty as a man, but their propaganda is to feel like, yes, boss, slay queens. One is arguably worse. What's been done to the women in a system they did not build, which has expertly played into women's greatest susceptibility, which is vanity and groupthink, and you can get mad at that if you want, but you're getting mad at the historical line of marching mothers that delivered unto us the greatest treasure in the universe, the unbelievably fantastic human brain that we have. You know, men and women as a team have created this absolutely glorious furnace of thought, this two or three pounds of wetware encased in a stupid skull that can see to the edges of the known universe and back, see backwards through time that can create fantastical stories. Amazing equations beautiful works of art sculpture.
[1:55:53] Morality ethics philosophy men and women in tandem as a team have delivered unto us this glory of the human brain and you dare to shit on women and women you dare to shit on men you know what we have created as a team is the greatest glory in the universe the only reason the universe has any reason or meaning at all. Four billion years, it took us to forge this brain in that furnace of suffering. Hunting, being hunted, dying. We were down to 10,000 souls as a species. In the last ice age, we were this close to vanishing. Going to the back rooms, despawning, gone, baby, gone. And we fought our way back as a team, as men and women.
[1:56:44] And you shit on women and women shit on men we are the greatest team in the universe, and what we have created is without precedence as far as we know and beyond compare as far as we know there is nothing else in the universe like it, there may be nothing else in the universe like it and we as men and women have produced this incredible mind through four billion years of sluggy, shitty evolution. Or we have at least carried it forward if you're religious through the glowing creations of God's fingertips.
[1:57:21] Oh, women are bad. Oh, men are bad. It's a psyop.
[1:57:30] If you say to me, Stef, I can't talk to girls, I'll go to jail. And I say, show me the proof. And you can't show me the proof, but you don't shift your beliefs. You've been demoralized. You've been propagandized. And you have no right to shit on women for being propagandized. If you're propagandized, I say this with sympathy. I spent years, years in propaganda. I say this with humility. I say this with no superiority whatsoever. As one fellow fucking galley slave to another. as one fellow sufferer of the sophists who run our brains to another. People say, but you get divorced. Divorce is a 50%. I put out very specific facts with backup saying, here's how to get your chance of divorce down to 5% or lower. A 10 times improvement in risk. Now, if you really want something and marriage has massive health benefits for men, married men live five to seven years longer, have better health, make more money, have lower stress, higher security on average. And the 50% divorce rate is total bullshit. It includes the fake marriages, which is just there for convenience or citizenship. It includes people who get remarried over and over again. You get an educated woman who shares your values, your chance of divorce is virtually eliminated. So people are like, no, no, I'm going to get divorce and she can take half my stuff. And I say, okay, here are the facts. Doesn't matter.
[1:58:59] It doesn't matter. Nobody said, holy shit, ball Stef. That's fantastic. I'm going to check your numbers, but man, if you can get divorce down to 5% risk or less, that's pretty good. Doesn't matter. 50%, 50%, 50%, 50%. It doesn't matter what I say. You're propagandized. I say with sympathy, with encouragement. Do you face shitty uphill battles? Yes, you do. I think I went over them. I accept most, if not all of them. Are you propagandized? You fucking are. This doesn't mean I'm not propagandized. This doesn't mean I'm superior. I've just studied this for a long time and I'm a little older. So I've seen the way of the world a little better. I'm not better. I'm just a little older. That's all.
[1:59:57] You say, 50% divorce. I say, here's how to reduce that by 90%. Nobody cares. Which means you're not looking for solutions. You're looking to justify complaints and fears. That's propaganda. And the funny thing is, of course, the whole myth, the whole story is that, well, you know, men, we want, all we want is solutions. All women want to do is complain and vent their feelings. Women are 100% accountable, but I'm a victim. Divorce rates are 50%. No, you can get them down to five percent pretty easily nobody cares doesn't matter just to just go on and on fucking boomer out of touch blah blah blah okay so so that's fine i understand that but you're just in a state of propaganda which is good it's good news it's fantastic news that you're in a state of propaganda because you can dematrix you can wake up, that's good news if you weren't in a state of propaganda you'd be permanently locked into a state of terror and rage. There are solutions. Are they perfect? No. Are they possible? Yes.
[2:01:14] Everyone says, Stef, how dare you shame and blame us? You fucking selfish, evil, old, irrelevant, out of touch boomer. I'm like, oh, yes. So apparently shame and blame is bad. But you can verbally attack me from here. Now, listen, I'm a big boy. It doesn't really bother me. It bothers me. The hypocrisy bothers me, not the verbal abuse. Because if you say, listen, you got to understand my suffering, then you also have to understand my suffering. So what's the other thing that I did as part of this social experiment? I said, I suffered as well as a young man. Right? Because you want sympathy for how you suffer as a young man. And I say, I also suffered as a young man.
[2:02:10] And what happened? You didn't suffer. I was all imagery. The nuclear war never came to pass. It turns out AIDS was not a heterosexual disease. There was no peak oil. Listen, when I was a kid, I was regularly told as a little kid that we were going to run out of food by 1980 because there'd be no oil. There'd be no electricity. The ozone layer was depleting and we were all going to die of radiation burns. There was acid rain was going to melt the skin from our bones. The world at least three times came a whisker close to nuclear annihilation. I grew up in a society with a higher divorce rate than currently exists, and it's not just because fewer people are getting married. I grew up with a higher divorce rate, and no internet. I could not get alternate information. Now, does this mean I suffered more or less than the current generation? I don't know, but I suffered. So people who want sympathy for me call me an old, irrelevant fucking boomer who had nothing to fear and never suffered and had it great. That's suffering from a state of propaganda and nobody in these conversations called out these hypocrites.
[2:03:39] Who said, don't shame and blame us, while shame, blaming, attacking, verbally abusing, swearing at, and being viciously hostile to me. Nobody said, whoa, guys, guys. He's not shaming and blaming us. I never said you had no reason to suffer. I never said all of your fears are imaginary.
[2:04:06] So you say, I suffer. I suffer and you Stef you never suffered all your fears my fears are very real my fears of being humiliated by a woman I ask out those fears of your fears of absolute the absolute annihilation of all life on earth I know it sounds bizarre the absolute annihilation of all life on earth it had a profound effect on my generation like no no kidding it had a very profound effect What does that have to do with dating? You can just ask. What does that have to do with dating, Stef? I don't quite understand. But no, it's just like, it's got nothing to do with dating. What the hell does that have to do with dating, right? Just rage and hostility, right? That's a sign of propaganda.
[2:05:01] So if you say, Stef, it's really important that you understand the suffering, of a younger generation, I say, well, my generation was even younger than you when I was a kid, right? So if you say, Stef, you have to understand the suffering of prior generations, like the next generation, I say, well, this was me as a kid. Oh, you didn't suffer. That was all bullshit. No, it never was any nuclear. Well, it didn't come true.
[2:05:28] You have access to alternate information that I don't, never did, but as a kid, right? And nobody's got that principle. That's called being in a state of propaganda, right? You want sympathy and compassion for your suffering as a young man, but when I talk about the suffering that I had as a young man, it's bullshit. It was all made up. It was all imaginary. That is a state of propaganda. You are programmed to hate, and I sympathize. Listen, I've got my issues with the boomers as well. I get that. But when you're programmed to demand something, sympathy and understanding and all of that, which I want to provide you, I really do. But when you are, it's a principle, right? Which is people should sympathize with the suffering you have as a young man. I say, well, here's how I suffered as a young man. No, it's a bullshit. It doesn't matter. That's a state of propaganda because you don't even notice the contradiction. Right? You don't say, you know what? I want Stef to sympathize with me. Stef saying how he suffered. I'm going to show him how that's done because empathizing with the suffering of the younger generation. I was the younger generation back in the day, right?
[2:06:47] So you say, Stef, how dare you dismiss my fears and i say well here were my fears i dismiss those and and this is a state of propaganda is you don't notice that contradiction and again i'm very conscious sort of knew what i was doing and so on right.
[2:07:04] And I'm not saying you're the same as feminists, obviously. I get that the ideologies are different, but the thought process or really the lack of thought process is kind of the same, which is that if feminists are taught or programmed, really, by culture and education, they're sort of programmed into who to hate, who to unleash and unload their rage on, right?
[2:07:30] And they don't notice the contradictions, right? right they they say you know you've seen this a million times you know the leftist who's typing on their apple computer at a starbucks you know using the latest technology about how bad men are and how evil capitalism is and like oh isn't it so contradictory right so my purpose in this this social experiment of the last couple of days was to try and drive home a point and again listen, Listen, I say this, and I just really want to reiterate this, with absolutely zero sense of superiority, because I was older than most of you when I broke out of the matrix, so I say this with all humility, I say this with, you guys are probably smarter than I am in the long run, and you'll end up wiser than I am in the long run, so this is not a function of superiority or big brain, it's just a function of, been doing philosophy for 40 years, and I'm kind of getting up there in age. So again, I say this with all humility.
[2:08:35] You're programmed and women are programmed.
[2:08:39] Women are programmed to hate you and you're programmed to hate women. Rather than saying, the two of us have been programmed, perhaps, just perhaps, we can defuse some of this programming with each other. Just perhaps, have sympathy for each other.
[2:08:54] Women are targeted with programming involving sympathy and conformity. And men are programmed with anger and rage and by falling into anger and rage at me and at women, you understand it's being channeled away from the ideas that are keeping us all enslaved not the people the ideas I get angry at ideas, ideas of the devils that corrupt our communications ideas blind us to our own hypocrisies which i have and you have and we should be humble about those things because we're all capable of it we all do it we all have it so women are programmed in ways that don't affect you and you're programmed in ways that don't affect women nearly as much i mean there's overlap it's a venn diagram but for the most part, right? And the people who program, the people who run these kinds of propaganda things, I mean, they know what they're doing. It's not an accident, right? It's not an accident that you don't notice your own hypocrisy anymore than it's an accident when I don't notice my own hypocrisy.
[2:10:11] It's not an accident that you've been programmed to dismiss all of your elders, even those who've been fighting the system as I have, for over 40 years. Right? Come September, it'll have been 44 years I've been fighting the system and everybody blew up in rage at me. Now, I understand I was being provocative. It was part of an experiment to see if people noticed hypocrisy. And to see if men could self-police each other. Because a lot of what the men's rights activists say, and I understand this and I sympathize with this too, a lot of what the men's rights activists say is they say, hey, man, women won't listen to us. Women have to police each other. Women are going to have to deal with this. They're going to have to figure this stuff out, right? Okay.
[2:11:02] So those of you, and again, I sympathize. I'm just pointing it out. There's not any big nagging or nagging or anything like that. I sympathize. But those of you who've known what I've been up to for a long time did not intervene when the young guns kind of exploded in rage at me. You didn't say, oh, no, he's talked about this. No, he interviewed Rolo Tomasi. No, he's been doing the men's rights stuff forever. Here's a speech he gave in, you know, 15 years ago about whatever it is, right? Like, you know, this guy's on your side. Didn't do that, right? So again, it's not a big problem. I'm just sort of pointing out that if you expect women to challenge each other for their wrong opinions or their outlandish emotional explosions, which come from a place of frustration and anger, which I completely sympathize with. And please understand, I'm not taking it personally. It's not about me. I know you're not mad at me. I know that you're mad at society. You're mad at certain betrayals from the elder generation, which, again, I completely sympathize with, understand, and I don't hold you morally responsible. I'm not mad at you. I'm not hurt myself. Not that you care. I'm just telling you my state of mind. I'm more concerned about the lack of knowledge of the contradictions that are occurring, right?
[2:12:22] Because when you say women are 100% responsible for their hypocrisy. It's like, okay, let's dial it up for women, dial it up for yourself, which means if you say women are 100% responsible and have to think through their propaganda.
[2:12:39] Then so are you. I'm not asking or imposing any standards on you that you're not already imposing on women. Women have to break out of their matrix. Well, so do you. I'm being taught to hate women, being taught to be mad at women, who are the targets of unbelievable levels of propaganda. And their propaganda, you envy them because their propaganda is based on praise and the elevation of vanity. That's even harder to get out of. I would rather be cursed unjustly than praised, unrealistically. It's easier to get out of a curse than a praise. It's easier to get out of a dungeon than a golden palace that locks from the outside because it's so comfortable. And if you can see the propaganda in yourself, then you can find the propaganda in others. But if you think you are just so red-pilled and so understand you know you understand you got it you're not propagandized you've broken you've broken out of the matrix you're just totally clear-eyed oh my god bro i've been working in philosophy for 43 years i still have stuff to work on.
[2:13:57] Youth and certainty can be a beautiful combination. And I'm not saying don't be certain. I'm a big one for certainty. Big one because you've got to build your house on a solid foundation. But if you think that you're immune to propaganda, you know, there's propaganda that's come from the government and there are propaganda that come from red pillars too.
[2:14:17] And the propaganda and they you see you say that women are susceptible to praise but when people come to you and say women are the problem and you're totally free of propaganda i'm not going to challenge anything in you then they've looked at how praise has corrupted women and now they're just praising you to get money looks likes clicks whatever right i'm not naming anybody in particular It's a phenomenon. It happens on the left, happens on the right, happens all over. Where you get to be praised and you get to be called perfectly rational and reasonable and everyone else is crazy. That's a dangerous place to be, man, because then you stop working on yourself and you stop challenging the falsehoods within yourself, which we're all born, birthed, and weaned on. From the moment we drop out of our mother's womb, we are lied to. And recovering honesty, authenticity, empathy, and the true self is not an easy process, my friends. It's a beautiful fucking process. I love it to death. I wouldn't have it any other way. I mean, okay, maybe I'd like to be a little less lied to when I was younger, but this process of whittling down and getting to the truth...
[2:15:29] Is a powerful and beautiful thing. You have sisters enslaved by the hive mind as you and I and everyone are enslaved by the hive mind. You have sisters trapped just as you're trapped. Damning them is implicitly praising yourself. You say, oh, the women, they're just, they're so vain. They just think they're all that. They think they're so perfect and they look down on us men. It's like, but you're doing the same thing. You're doing the same thing.
[2:15:57] We all get lied to. Turning on each other for the effects of falsehood is a form of vanity because it pretends that we're somehow, we've escaped all the propaganda, we know what's what, we've reached the final boss of falsehoods, and the feminists are all wrong, and we're all right. Oh my God.
[2:16:22] And i again i say this with very deep sympathy and very deep empathy and you got a raw deal men in general get a raw deal the solution is morals peaceful parenting the non-aggression principle deep integrity and challenging yourself when you think you know for certain that you're 100% the good guy and everyone else, women as a whole, are 100% the bad people and they're fully responsible, but you're a victim and you deserve sympathy as a younger person. But when I was a young person, I just deserved scorn and condemnation that you shouldn't be shamed and blamed, but you then shame and blame me and other people and women and everyone. You just got to unravel all of these knots and it's not easy, but man, it's worthwhile. Holy crap, is it ever worthwhile? I'm telling you this, man, like I was born with all these lies and contradictions, and I'm not free of them all. It's like unlearning your native tongue. It's pretty tough. It's pretty tough. But your sisters in propaganda are not your enemies. And if you approach them with this level of hatred and aggression and anger and self-righteousness and superiority, how foundationally and emotionally are you different from the self-righteous feminists who curse all men. It's two sides of the same propaganda crime. Someone's got to break out of it. Someone has to. So yeah, I came in pretty hard.
[2:17:49] And I provided counter evidence and saw it completely brushed aside. My God, you all get so frustrated when the feminists reject facts. I pumped fact after fact into this discussion and just got ever-increasing escalations of rage, hostility and verbal abuse. And I don't say this is some delicate flower. I'm fine. I'm in a boxing ring. I'm going to come out with some black eyes. That's fine. That's the deal. This is the gig. My gig as a philosopher is to challenge you and challenge myself.
[2:18:20] But you look back over these threads, man. I put out real facts. And then people, I saw people, at Grok, I saw people go and check them, didn't matter. I can statistically give you the principles that reduce your chances of getting divorced to almost nothing. Doesn't matter. Still terrified of divorce, right? And you say, well, if I go talk to a woman at Starbucks, she could put me on blast on social media. Okay. So let's say you go and you say, hi, she's some woman at Starbucks. Hey, um, nice nails. Believe it or not, women love that, right? Great nails. Or, um, um, I saw you were reading this book earlier. What did you think? I was thinking of get it, get it. I'm not sure. Whatever. You're just polite. Right. And let's say that she records you and puts you on blast on social media. And let's say it goes viral. Oh my God. The worst thing ever. Right. It goes viral. Trust me, I've had to deal with a little bit of being put on blast on social media. My picture was three times on the cover of the New York Times as a very, very bad man. I've been through this. I've got some experience with this. But here's the thing.
[2:19:27] If you get put on blast for being polite and friendly to a woman, it could be the greatest thing that's ever happened to you. The greatest. Because do you know how many women will message you and say, I can't believe you got treated that way. We're not all like that. you seem like a really great guy and you might get this may get you your wife i'm not kidding about this because when it comes to threat assessment right assessment of risk video games distort this i'm not down on video games love video games but they do distort your assessment of risk because you're in a very much non-physically dangerous environment you get your saved games you can try stuff and reset doesn't help you assess risk in the real world so the odds of you going to jail for saying hi to a woman in Starbucks, is almost infinitely lower than the odds of you getting hit by a bus or a car, going to Starbucks. Yet still you go to Starbucks. You ever taken a plane? You're more likely to die in a plane crash, I bet, than go to jail for talking to or saying hi to a woman in Starbucks. Also, men lie. Men lie. You think only women lie? My God, of course men lie.
[2:20:33] And some guy's going to say, hey man, all I did was I just said hi to her and next thing you know, the cops are there and, and you don't think men lie. You don't think maybe he was creepy. You don't think maybe he copped a field. You don't think maybe he grabbed your hand and put it on his groin when he was outside of the cameras could happen. Oh no, not right. Oh my God. Be skeptical. It's the internet. Internet is a string of mostly false pixels attempting to rob you of your lineage.
[2:21:07] You're not free of propaganda. I'm not free of propaganda. The ladies are not free of propaganda. And we can either attack each other or we can get together, try and reason with those who are still capable of reason, who have been purely demoralized, where facts don't matter. I hope that you're not one of those people. I put out counterfacts, right? It's a logical statement. If you say, I could go to jail for saying hi to a woman in Starbucks, and I say, well, you're in more danger going to Starbucks, but you still do that. That's a fact. Oh, you know what? That's true. How many people over the course of the last couple of days, when I put out fact after fact, after fact, said to me, you know what? That's a really good piece of information. I, um.
[2:21:50] I can't, I can't disagree. Like, yeah, I checked it out. That's a fact. You know what? You're right. You're right. Because you're all mad at the women who choose the bear, right? And I understand that it's offensive, right? You choose the bear, right? You're mad that women choose the bear over a man, right? A woman in the wilderness does face the possibility, not big, not high, does face the possibility of stalking, rape, sexual assault, and go talk to women who've had any kind of prominence on the internet and ask them for their stalker stories. And there are some creepy men out there that make women afraid. We all know this. There's not many, but there's sum, and it's a factor. It's a real thing. So, y'all are mad, and again, I understand the offense. I really do, and I sympathize with it, but y'all are mad at women who say, well, I choose the bear. I'll choose the bear over a man, right? Okay. Again, I sympathize. That is offensive. That is upsetting. That is annoying, right?
[2:22:55] And very, very unpleasant. And it bothers you, right? Okay. So you say, women shouldn't be so frightened of men. We're not all like that. We're not going to attack you. We're not going to destroy you. We're not going to rape you in the woods. Don't be so frightened of men. And then you say, a woman's going to throw me in jail, get me thrown in jail if I talk to her at Starbucks and say hi.
[2:23:37] So you're saying, women shouldn't be so afraid of men that they choose the bear, and then you say, I can't say hi to a woman because she'll throw me in jail.
[2:23:48] Now, the odds that a woman is going to have a negative interaction with a man in the wilderness is far higher than the odds that you're going to go to jail for saying hi to a woman in a coffee shop. But you see, your fears are real. The woman's fears are irrational. Just as your suffering as a young man is real, but my suffering as a young man was bullshit. This is dangerously close to solipsism, if not downright, and I use this as an amateur term, narcissism. Only my suffering matters. Only my fears are real. Everybody else's fears are completely illusory. Only my fears matter. So she's terrified of meeting a man in the woods. You're terrified of meeting a woman in the woods that you might have to talk to, and you're more scared for less reason.
[2:24:34] More women seem to go hiking than young men talking to women in coffee shops, oh her fears of the bear are completely irrational sorry her fears of the man are completely irrational but my fears of going to jail for talking to a woman in starbucks are completely rational she shouldn't be scared of men most men are really nice but i should be terrified of talking to women at starbucks because i could go to jail do you see this is propaganda it is straight up propaganda and it is taking offense that women are scared of men while being terrified of women and i say this with sympathy i'm just trying to unravel these knots in your mind, so that you have some choice and you're not just reacting.
[2:25:30] Are you irrationally scared of women? Oh, divorce. Yes, okay, but I gave you the facts and the data, which meant nothing to anyone. I saw hundreds of thousands of people interacting with my posts over the last couple of days. I saw not one person who said, you know what, I checked out your data. Holy crap, I've been terrified I had a 50% divorce for my whole life. I looked into the facts. Yeah, you can get it down to 5%. Holy crap.
[2:26:01] Thank you. This has lifted a huge burden from my mind. This is exactly the same as, women saying, well, there are a lot of men who are rapists. And you come back and you say, no, it's really only a couple of percent of men and blah, blah, blah. The things you can do, they don't care. They don't care. Isn't that frustrating? When people have overblown fears and you show them the facts and the data that say these fears are not as valid as you think they are. And they don't care. So I've been basically dealing with the mindset equivalent of feminists on the male side for the last couple of days. And again, I say this for sympathy, just as I would say it to women. They're programmed. You're programmed. I'm programmed. We got to help each other out, brothers and sisters. We got to help each other out, not turn on each other. Slave-on-slave violence is how the ownership continues. Do you see you go back and you tell me how rational and rejective these men are say well i'm terrified of this i don't want this i want to get divorce raped i'm terrified of this okay here's the data doesn't matter it doesn't matter they don't care nobody comes back and says oh okay i get it yeah that makes sense that makes sense you gotta have sympathy for young men well here's what i suffered with as a young man i don't have any sympathy for that what are you crazy.
[2:27:24] I'm scared of going to jail for saying hi to a woman at starbucks but you had no reason to be afraid of the entire fucking planet being turned into glass through nuclear war throughout your entire childhood scientists and everyone in authority were saying there was going to be mass starvation by the year 1980 but you have you had no reason to fear that but that woman in starbucks who might give me the side eye if i say hi that's fucking terrifying global nuclear war as nothing, she might frown.
[2:27:56] That's propaganda. I'm not trying to humiliate anyone. That's propaganda. That's the power of propaganda. All your fears are real, no matter how minor. Everyone else's fears are irrelevant, no matter how powerful. I'm not trying to do a war of who suffered more. I'm not trying to do that. But there was suffering before you. Guess what? There'll be suffering after you. Do we still have to find a way to move forward? I think we do. Can you move forward with love and positivity, and some authority, maybe a little bit of kick-assing from time to time, because that's necessary. Can you do that? I don't know. Is it possible? Yes, it is. Do people still find the loves of their lives, get married, settle down, and have children in this world? Yes, they do. Are you, particularly as a white male, facing massive discrimination in the job market? Yes, you are. Maybe you can carve off with some friends some of those 19 hours that a lot of you are playing in video games, not to hate on video games. They're a lot of fun. Maybe you can carve off at least half of that time, get together with some friends and brainstorm about how to make some money and start a company. Because if people won't hire you, maybe you can hire yourself. Maybe you can hire each other. Scared of AI? Learn about AI. Figure out how to use it to make money. It's not impossible.
[2:29:16] Can you get more used to talking to women? Can you recognize that they are your sisters in the flesh who've been propagandized, just as you've been propagandized. You've been propagandized to oppose each other, so you don't look up and see all of the mad, bad, corrupt ideas that are screwing us all up. That's my plea. That's the purpose of what I've been doing for the last two days. I wanted to see. You say facts don't matter to the feminists, Do facts matter to you?
[2:29:55] Women are responsible. They don't listen to reason. Okay, are you responsible? Have you listened to reason? Shaming and blaming is bad. You out of touch, asshole boomer. Okay, you're shaming and blaming me. Oh, and I was just in retaliation. Okay, well, no, because I didn't insult anyone. I exhorted. I said, your fears are not as strong as you think they are. And I gave the data to support it, but the data didn't matter, which means that this is programmed fear. This is what Yuri Besominov referred to as demoralization. The facts don't matter. So, well, facts don't matter to feminists. Okay, did facts matter to you? Again, I say with love, affection, and sympathy, as one fellow serf to another, as one tax serf to another, women are not your enemy.
[2:30:47] Propaganda is your enemy and fight the bad ideas with everything you've got peacefully, reasonably, obviously with facts, data, reason and evidence philosophy.
[2:31:05] But don't, say that women are vain and puffed up and lack empathy while you think you're perfect are puffed up and not only lack empathy, but have a lot of hostility. You see, if you think it's really bad, just, you know, just in terms of basic empathy, if you think it's really bad for a woman to give you side eye or curl the lip or make fun of you or whatever, when you ask her out, what do you think it's like for me when everyone's pouring this vitriol at me? And again, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Honestly, it's fine. It's a social experiment to see if you have empathy, to see if you have consistency, to see if you understand your own capacity for hypocrisy, which is the foundation of wisdom. And most importantly, to see, do you know you're propagandized? Do you get the contradiction of saying women are 100% responsible, young women? And I clarified this many times over the last couple of days. Young women, are not responsible for what programmed them as children. Neither are you, neither was I. have some sympathy for each other.
[2:32:19] Recognize with all due humility how we've all been programmed. Work to help people free themselves of their programming as best you can without self-immolation. Nobody's asking you to go into the fever swamp of the completely demoralized and destroy your own life. Not saying anything like that. But not from a place of hatred, my friends. My brothers, my sisters, not from a place of hatred.
[2:32:45] Because everybody's on the right is, oh, holding women accountable. I got to hold women accountable. Okay, so I'm going to hold you guys accountable. And if you explode with anger, as most of you did, if you explode with anger at being held accountable, that's fine.
[2:33:00] Then don't hold women accountable. But if you're going to hold women accountable, hold yourselves accountable and find a way to get through to each other with love and sympathy, which is not to say self-immolation. So that's what I was up to for the last couple of days.
[2:33:15] I hope it helps i hope it makes sense i'm not even going to ask for donations because i'm sure a lot of you are really pissed that's fine honestly that's the gig the job of the philosopher is not to be popular and it's not even to be liked in the moment the job of your personal trainer is not to be liked in the moment but for you to be fitter and healthier healthier down the road and it might take you five years might take you 10 years before you look back and you say man that was really helpful. Hopefully it's sooner than that. Hopefully it's not never, but that's what I was up to the last couple of days. And I really hope that that helps in terms of reason, compassion, empathy, love, affection, and humility. Humility is the foundation of growth. You have to know where you're limited, just as I do, in order to grow. So, thanks to you, everyone, for a wonderful evening. I know it was a long show. I appreciate everyone who called in. I look forward to your feedback and I love you guys very much. And I'm really, really glad about what happened over the last couple of days. I think it's going to be fantastic for everyone. I really do appreciate everyone who spat and cursed at me. Obviously, we should have been different, but you got to work with what is. And I hope that it's been helpful. And I will see you soon. Stefan Molyneux from freedomain.com. Signing out, my friends. Take care and, good night. Bye.
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