In this Flash Donor Live Call from 3 October 2025, philosopher Stefan Molyneux engages listeners with a vibrant mix of personal reflections, current events, and deep discussions on pressing issues. As he opens the show, he shares his excitement over receiving a retweet from Elon Musk, a milestone he interprets as a rare opportunity to engage with a broader audience. He reflects on the reactions to his viral tweet, which has garnered millions of views, yet notes with disappointment the lack of meaningful discourse that often accompanies such popularity.
As the episode unfolds, listeners are treated to an intimate call-in session where Stefan provides guidance on more personal topics. The first caller opens up about supporting a partner who has a traumatic past involving sexual violence. The discussion delves into sensitive areas surrounding consent, memory, and the complexities of trauma within relationships. Stefan navigates the caller’s questions with care, offering insights into the psychological effects of trauma and emphasizing the importance of honesty and communication in a burgeoning relationship. The exchange highlights the challenges individuals face when reconciling their partner’s past wounds with their present dynamic, emphasizing that healing often requires confronting deeply buried emotions and fears.
The conversation shifts when a second caller admits to a workplace gaffe involving gossip about a respected colleague and their family. As the caller grapples with the consequences of their indiscretion, Stefan provides candid advice on the importance of integrity and accountability. He encourages the caller to address the situation head-on, emphasizing that true growth comes from taking responsibility for one’s actions. This dialogue serves as a reminder of the common pitfalls of casual conversation and the sometimes harsh reality of workplace dynamics, as well as the need to foster empathy and understanding in light of our own failings.
Amidst these personal narratives, Stefan touches on broader societal themes, such as the difficulty of engaging in rational discussions in a climate often characterized by emotional fervor and divisiveness. He reflects on the tendency people have to prioritize social acceptance over truth, particularly in polarized environments. This commentary resonates as Stefan encourages listeners to self-reflect on their own values and beliefs, while also calling for a balance between social responsibility and personal integrity.
The episode concludes with encouragement for listeners to engage actively with the content and foster discussions around the topics raised. Stefan invites feedback and interactions from all who tune in, asserting the importance of building a community that values critical thinking and open conversation. Through this reflective journey over the airwaves, he reaffirms the podcast's mission to illuminate challenging topics and inspire listeners toward personal development and understanding in a complicated world.
0:10 - The Big News
2:20 - Discussing Trauma and Relationships
3:36 - Understanding Consent
8:49 - The Complexity of Alcohol and Consent
16:45 - The Weight of Lies
21:50 - Coping with PTSD in Relationships
23:44 - Navigating Workplace Gossip
30:13 - The Dilemma of Integrity
41:28 - Lessons from Gossiping
44:58 - Empathy and Understanding
46:38 - The Cost of Truth
49:13 - Navigating Personal Relationships
49:53 - Balancing Truth and Well-being
52:44 - The Weight of Responsibility
55:18 - Learning from Mistakes
56:57 - Anticipating New Beginnings
58:22 - Reflections on Public Perception
59:46 - Gratitude and Appreciation
1:07:10 - The Challenge of Parenthood
1:10:20 - The Complexity of Belief
1:13:38 - The Difficulties of Change
1:20:32 - Gender Dynamics in Discourse
1:23:51 - The State of Comedy Today
[0:00] Hey, everybody, Stefan Molyneux, 3rd of October, 2025, and I had a no-show, but what negatives could there possibly be if I get to spend more time with the wonderful donors?
[0:11] So I'm here to listen to chat. I guess the relatively big news is that I got a retweet from Elon Musk. I think I've had a like before. I don't think I've ever had a retweet.
[0:24] And the tweet in question that i wrote in three o'clock in the morning night before last uh is currently cooking at close to 22 million views at least that's the last time i checked probably something like that and it's interesting it's interesting and there's a lot of uh there's not i would say there's not an excess of rational conversations to be had in this in this um a conversation what are we at yeah 22 million at 22 million views so it still seems to be cooking along uh it is um by far uh the biggest tweet i've ever had at least that i can recall i think my last biggest one was like eight or nine million so it's an interesting topic and an interesting topic regarding identity and so on and what can i tell you but it's a shame that there isn't really any good discussion or debate that's going on on that thread. It basically is all just a kind of slugfest of general resentment from everyone in the dark regarding the past. And, you know, it's been, of course, it's been a while. It's been a while that I have.
[1:43] It's been a while since i've been in a kind of collectivist anti-rational, kind of situation or society and that's that's pretty wild that's pretty wild so i don't know if you've been following or watching it i'm happy to talk about that or you know since you all get to talk to me uh a lot if you have any thoughts about that or anything else that's going on i am thrilled to hear. If you will need to unmute, I think everyone comes in muted by default, so I don't want to ramble on if people have stuff to chat about, so...
[2:20] Hello, Stef. Can you hear me?
[2:21] Yes, sir.
[2:23] Hey, I have sort of a dark topic, but it's sort of pertinent to what's going on, and I just have a quick question. So I know in the past you've had some viewers come on and discuss relationships they've had with people that have gone through very traumatic things, including rape. I'm in a similar situation, and I'm wondering, what can someone do in that situation to support their partner once that's discovered? And also, what typically does, how does that affect the relationship going forward? Thanks.
[3:01] Sorry, you mean if your partner gets raped or has been raped?
[3:05] Yes, in the past.
[3:07] How far in the past?
[3:11] Years.
[3:13] Okay. And I assume, obviously, this is before you guys got together, right?
[3:20] Yeah.
[3:21] And did the woman report it to the police?
[3:29] No.
[3:30] Why not?
[3:36] She was ashamed of the person it was with. um she was warned by her family not to interact with this person and uh well yeah.
[3:48] Oh so her family said stay away from this this is a bad guy he's dangerous and she dated him, and so she was his girlfriend or or what happened correct yeah okay so she was his girlfriend and, And obviously, we don't want to go into any kind of identifying details, but what happened?
[4:19] Uh heavy drinking and um yeah it was entire it was definitely like rape it was definitely not consensual um.
[4:27] I'm sorry and i'm obviously not disagreeing with you uh with all due sensitivity, but um why do you say that with such confidence since it didn't go through a legal process.
[4:39] No that's true um, i've had some some experience with this person and they've been on they've just my intuition but her her story does make sense so um.
[4:53] Again i apologize for the indelicacy of the topic but i mean was she uh beaten black and blue was there uh some sort of um physical injury where i mean was there uh sort of clear evidence that she had been assaulted.
[5:12] Uh no no it was it was an unconscious sort of thing.
[5:15] So she um the man had sexual intercourse with her while she was unconscious uh.
[5:25] Yeah near blackout yeah um.
[5:27] I am unconscious and near blackout aren't quite the same thing and again i'm sorry to be difficult i'm just trying to understand the situation no.
[5:36] No worries um, I think I'd reveal sort of too much information, unfortunately.
[5:47] No, that's fine. Don't talk any further. So how many people, and again, don't answer anything you don't want to, but I'm just curious, did she tell her family?
[6:01] No. No, I'm the only person that knows.
[6:04] Right. Right.
[6:09] Can I say, part of the reason I believe her, much of the story is, her honesty has been quite good in our relationship, but specifically I've been reading about the symptoms of victims of rape, and is to a T, the depression that had occurred, sort of forgetting that things happened, And the denial that it was raped initially, and then the going through this lately, it's been very stressful, I'm sorry. But when I read about it in the psychology texts I've seen, it seems to match very well with genuine, I don't think she could fake this, but that's just my intuition. And I know I'm a biased observer, but sorry, my question was more about what effects that can have on a relationship going forward. But yeah, sorry, take it where you like.
[7:13] No, I appreciate that. And I have, you know, whether it's a bias or not, I'll just be upfront. To me, if there's alcohol or drugs involved, and if there are no injuries, and there's no police report, then to me, I don't doubt that the woman believes that she was raped. But I don't know if you've ever been really, really drunk. She said near blackout. And again, I don't really know what that means. But when anyone is drunk, I mean, you can't even operate a car reliably when you're drunk. And operating a body is even more sensitive in this area. So I don't know. So, because if it was her boyfriend and she was drunk to the point of almost passing out.
[8:14] And I assume that the boyfriend was drunk, then the question of consent does become muddy, in my view. Again, I'm not talking morally, just sort of philosophically speaking. it does become muddy. I mean, you're not allowed to sign a contract drunk. You're not allowed to drive a car drunk. You're not allowed. I mean, if you show up drunk to a therapist's office, the therapist will just say, go home because we can't do therapy. You can't show up to work drunk.
[8:45] You can't fly a plane drunk because your judgment is severely compromised. And if you're exceedingly drunk, not like tipsy or like just close to blackout drunk, it's one of the things that alcohol does is it screws with your memory. I mean, I think most people have either experienced or heard this sort of tale of alcohol.
[9:07] Somebody who gets so drunk, you wake up in the morning and you don't even remember getting a tattoo. And this is sort of famous in sort of sailor circles and all that, which is why I find women with tattoos, they just seem weirdly or oddly masculine to me because I disassociate tattoos with men who've been in prison or sailors who are male. But that's sort of neither here nor there. So people can do the craziest stuff that they don't remember, right? You can literally get a tattoo and not remember. Now, did you give consent to the tattoo? Can you sue the tattoo artist for giving you a tattoo when you were drunk? I don't know. I don't know the answer to these things. But I do know that people say yes to things when they're drunk that in the morning they regret. I also know that most sexual consent is not explicit. Like you don't say, can I touch your ear? Can I kiss your neck? Can I touch your boob? Can I grab your butt or whatever it is, right? Excuse me, that's not how things work.
[10:19] I agree. And so all of this stuff makes it very complicated to figure out what happened. There is of course you know the walk of shame the regret and so on and it may be the case of course that she believes she said no but she's too drunk to remember exactly what happened.
[10:43] It is also the case, of course, that sometimes sexual activity starts and then during the sexual activity, the woman says no. And of course, everybody should stop immediately what they're doing and so on. But if people are drunk or high or on other kinds of drugs, then it's really tough. I mean, women can genuinely believe stuff that is objectively not true. So, of course, you've heard women in bars, or women who go to bars, they even have these little sleeves they put over their drinks because they're constantly worried or concerned about being roofied when somebody slips something into a drink. And there was a study with women who claimed that they had been roofied, and they tested their blood, they tested the drinks they had, and there was nothing, absolutely nothing. And what happens a lot of times is women who are on SSRIs, some sort of antidepressants or other sorts of psychotropic meds.
[11:42] Quote meds, they believe that they're roofied, but it is the combination of, you know, like a 120-pound woman on a fistful of SSRIs combining it with significant alcohol, they lose judgment. And there can, of course, be interactions with other kinds of medications that can cause problems with decision-making when you're drunk. Now, listen, I mean, just want to be really clear about this. I'm not saying she wasn't raped. I have no idea. I have no idea. But I generally, you know, if you're trying to be a witness at a trial, right? Because this is kind of like a trial in her mind and so on, right? She's saying that a man is guilty of the most heinous crime outside of murder.
[12:33] And so if you were called to be a witness in a trial, and you gave your testimony, and then it turned out that the, let's say that you were giving testimony for the defense, and then the prosecution established that you had had, you know, 14 drinks that night, and you were near blackout drunk. I mean, this is genuine question. Do you think that testimony would be admitted or would be admissible?
[13:08] No, no, no, it wouldn't. Right. You would be, you would be disqualified as a witness.
[13:16] And you say she's an honest person, but unfortunately she lied to her family. That's why I asked, did her family know, or did she tell her family? So unfortunately she has lied to her family, not only about what happened, but I assume that she never saw this man again and her family would be like, oh, you broke up with whatever his name is.
[13:42] What happened? And she'd have to manufacture more lies. And then she would be depressed and anxious. And her family, of course, I'm sure they're caring. And they would say to her, hey, you seem kind of down. What's going on? And she'd say, oh, nothing. Or, oh, it's just work. So unfortunately, she is a liar. And we can have all the sympathy that we want in the world for what happened to her and, you know, her decision to lie. But you can't say she's an honest person because covering this kind of stuff up within family and friends is very false. And it denies, of course, her family and friends the ability to help her. It denies, of course, her family and friends the ability to do something to protect women down the road. So let's say she dated a brutal rapist, which that's a whole other topic we can get into. But let's say she dated a brutal rapist who violently attacked her and raped her.
[14:47] Well, I mean, the reason why you go to the cops is so that other women don't get raped. And the reason that you talk to your family about it is so, I mean, I don't know if you've had people keep important secrets from you, but it really screws up the relationship. It really does. Like, it's almost like there's no relationship because everything's fake. And I'm sure that her family has insisted to know, gee, you know, what's going on? You seem very distracted, very depressed. You seem very anxious. You're very jumpy. Like, what the heck is going on? And she has just lied and lied and lied now again we may sympathize with the key the reasons for those lies but they remain lies so she is if you're the only person she's told, it means that she's been lying to everyone else in her life.
[15:38] Say lying by omission but there is also lying by commission right she breaks up with this guy oh what happened to this guy? Oh, I just decided we weren't compatible. Like they all just lies, just lies, lies, lies. And she has been lying to those around her for years about an absolutely essential event that has significantly shaped her personality. And again, I say this without judgment, like, Ooh, she's a bad, stinky liar, but she is a liar. And we can understand why. Like if you're, I don't know, you're trapped in some third world hell hole and you have to tell a couple of fibs to get through some difficult situation. We could certainly understand that and sympathize with that.
[16:21] But it's still a liar. There's still lies. And if somebody has been doing it for years and is very good at it to the point where she's never been discovered, that is not a good. That's not a great situation. And I don't know if you're aware of that when you say to me, she's an honest person, but if she's been lying to friends and
[16:41] family for years, that's not an honest person. Again, I'm not saying fundamentally, existentially dishonest or anything like that, but that is a whole lot of lying, isn't it?
[16:53] No, you're correct.
[16:55] And how long have you guys been going out? And you don't have to tell me specifically, is it months or years or?
[17:01] Years.
[17:04] And do you want to get married?
[17:08] Was planning in a few months.
[17:10] Ah, okay. Okay.
[17:12] Well, about to be engaged, I mean to say, but I don't know about that now.
[17:17] Um, yeah, I mean, listen, obviously, we can book a private call if you want. That's totally fine. But my general advice would be that she probably, it would be probably a good idea for her to get to a therapist. It also is probably a good idea for her to work. I mean, I assume she has, as most people do, she has a relationship with her family, right?
[17:46] Correct and we've already got her in therapy.
[17:48] Okay uh how long has she been in therapy for.
[17:53] Uh we just found out a month ago so about two weeks.
[17:56] So you found out what does that mean i.
[18:00] Mean i found out.
[18:01] Oh you found out about the right okay so like.
[18:05] You have to get therapy and we should deal with this.
[18:06] And i assume at some point the therapist is going to say you you kind of have to tell your family yes.
[18:16] Yeah she does not want them to know and we're getting to that so.
[18:20] And why doesn't she want them to know is it because she's embarrassed because they want her uh yes exactly okay, That's not a good reason. That's not a good reason. That's not a good reason. So why, if a family warned her and she went ahead with this monster of a human being, that indicates bad judgment, right? If a family was right and she was wrong, but is she just prideful? Like, why wouldn't she tell them? And, you know, she owes them an apology in a way, I would say, because if you warn your adult child about something and then the child goes ahead and does it and it turns out to be a complete disaster, I mean, I would feel like I would owe somebody an apology.
[19:15] You know if let's say i don't know it takes a silly example let's say that a husband doesn't want to put on sunscreen and her wife his wife says put on sunscreen and then um like they're on vacation right and the husband says no i'm fine i'm whatever i'm i don't need sunscreen and then he gets such a bad sunburn that they can't do any other activities, well he's kind of ruined the by not listening uh he i think that he would owe her an apology, because he didn't listen to her and that kind of ruined things and there's an odd i'm not because i don't understand the family structure but to me there seems to be an odd sort of pride, involved here or an unwillingness to admit being wrong and the other thing too is that i assume that, you're going to have a relationship with her family going forward and her family will be involved in your marriage they will perhaps be involved with helping to raise your children if they'd be good grandparents and so on and now your fiance is asking you to now lie to her family because you have this big terrible secret the biggest event that shaped her adult life i assume, and now you have to lie about it too, To her family.
[20:34] Yeah, yeah. I won't do that. I mean, I don't intend to at least. Oh, so you'll tell them anyway. Well, I won't stay with her if she doesn't. I can't live a lie like that.
[20:45] And I think that you need to be present when she tells them. Because I think you need to see it directly. And are you guys in your 20s or 30s? Or don't want to say? That's fine. Either way.
[21:03] Uh younger yeah.
[21:04] I mean.
[21:05] In that range.
[21:05] Okay so yeah i i obviously can't tell you what to do blah blah blah but if i were in your shoes this is a lot of dysfunction to process when you're engaged and the fact that she knew you for years and didn't tell you until you were engaged i find troubling i find it troubling and i how's the relationship going overall, Well.
[21:33] Quite well. You know, we were pretty close to, you know, but now this has been very shaky. So, otherwise, prior to this, quite well.
[21:44] Okay, but you said she has a lot of PTSD symptoms, right?
[21:49] Correct, yeah, yeah.
[21:50] So, the relationship's going well, even though she's suffering from significant PTSD.
[21:59] I'm i will say i'm not very responsible in this i don't think i noticed the symptoms until now.
[22:07] I mean there had to be a distance if she was carrying a huge heavy secret and burden like this right yeah so so i would say that sorry to interrupt i would say that it's probably unlikely, that you know what a really close and connected relationship is if you didn't notice, the trauma that she was carrying. And I think that's not a great template to go into a marriage with, if that makes sense.
[22:34] I agree.
[22:36] So anyway, I guess, I mean, I'm aware, obviously, that you don't want to talk about things in more detail, and that's totally fine, of course, right? But I think it probably would be somewhat wise to hold on until you get some more answers about all of this stuff. Because that's a burden. It's a heavy burden, as you know, and I don't have to tell you that, but she's going to have to have, if it's been years since she experienced this assault, um, Then she's got a lot of preparing to do in relationships. And it means that she's surrounded by people who don't really notice that she's severely traumatized. Or they notice but don't say anything. Or they notice and say things. But she lies like a rug to not admit that she was fault. All right. So I appreciate that. And again, I'd be happy to talk further.
[23:29] Thank you.
[23:29] Yeah, welcome to a private session or whatever. I'm happy to chat further. And if anybody else has what they want to talk about, I would love to hear. Just don't forget to unmute.
[23:44] Hello?
[23:45] Yes.
[23:47] Hi. I'm looking for some advice on a mistake I made at work.
[23:53] Hit me.
[23:55] I got overheard gossiping about somebody that i genuinely respect about the fact that his about his wife and children they're homeschooled and they have less than desirable social skills, and i mock them and i'm not sure how to work my way back because the person i was gossiping with is my boss. So I'm not sure if this is one of those situations where I have to come clean, confess, admit that I genuinely like his wife, and I also have a homeschooled child, who is socially awkward, or I keep paying my bills.
[24:37] Oh, you keep what?
[24:38] Keep paying my bills. I mean, essentially, this fundamentally would be an argument with my boss, who clearly we have a conflict of values, but I have a roof over my head, so.
[24:52] Right, okay. Okay, so did you think that you were right or wrong in your evaluation of this person?
[25:03] I think I'm right. Like, I do see where she's coming from. Her point is legitimate. The problem is I don't dislike those people, and I think that they'll find their way. Okay. I don't think that she has a superior perspective because her kids are forced into public school and she's more normal.
[25:23] Okay. Got it. Got it. Okay. And when did this happen?
[25:30] It happened Thursday.
[25:32] Okay. And so you were chatting with your boss, kind of dissing on the homeschool family. And did they find out that you had said something or?
[25:43] Yeah, he was in the other room and he heard everything I said.
[25:47] Oh, yeah, it's grovel time. Yeah. Sorry, it's just grovel time. It's just like, you know what, are you Christian?
[25:57] No. I mean, I followed you for years, so I understand Christianity. I respect it. I love it. I'm pro-Christian, but no, I'm an atheist.
[26:05] No, that's fine. I just wanted to know if you could use the word sin in a way that the other person. Now, a lot of homeschooling families, of course, are Christian. And do you know if the homeschool family that you were putting down a little bit, are they Christian?
[26:21] Yes, they are Protestant.
[26:22] Okay. So, honestly, it's grovel time. And this happens from time to time in life. I've had to do it. I'm sure most people here, if not everyone, has had to do it or needed to do it at some point. where you just go up and you say, I feel wretched. I am so sorry. I fell prey to a terrible temptation, which was to gossip and to be snarky. And, you know, I think it has something to do with my discomfort about what's going on with my kid, but it was petty. It was foolish. I hope you can forgive me. And here's a lovely gift basket for your family because I'm really sorry. You know, or something like that, which is the apology, the taking ownership, and providing some restitution or something like that. And if they're Christian, then hopefully they will. But yeah, I think, I mean, I've had to do this in my life, just like, you know, I'm really sorry I messed up. You deserve better. And it really doesn't have anything to do with you. It's my issues. And I, you know, what a terrible thing it is to hear somebody gossiping about you in the next room and laughing and doing all these snarky things. It was cold. It was mean. and I will promise to do better and I'm really sorry. I think those kinds of things, they work in life.
[27:38] Okay. And then, I mean, with respect to it coming into conflict with my boss, ultimately just integrity has to trump, right?
[27:46] So, sorry, just remind me of the conflict with your boss?
[27:49] Well, she was the one who was doing the gossiping. So I imagine at some point she's, I suppose there's the potential that she never finds out. But, I mean, going forward.
[28:02] I'm sorry. I apologize for that. Sorry. Who never finds... Oh, the person you were gossiping about never finds out that your boss was... But I thought they were in the next room. Wouldn't they know who's gossiping?
[28:10] I was gossiping with my boss about the person in the next room. Right.
[28:14] So who's going to find out what...
[28:17] So I was in a group... Well, my boss might find out that I... That I did the groveling. And I don't, in fact, actually agree with her.
[28:27] Agree with who?
[28:29] With my boss about the fact that um, her employee is, has a, like, she made the comment that her, that his wife is a drain on society and that his children are a drain on society. And, you know, basically like in reference to the fact that they homeschool and that she is, she's very creative. So she's more on the creative side. And she, I had a brief conversation with her and it was genuine, genuinely like 15 minutes all about her having autism and her relationship with the church.
[29:06] Her being the wife that you were gossiping about?
[29:10] Yes.
[29:11] Okay. And so you and your boss were sort of saying they're a drain on society, their kids are a drain on society?
[29:18] She said that I laughed.
[29:20] Well, come on. I mean, let's not get into who started it. I mean, you're both participating, right?
[29:25] 100%. Yes, you're right.
[29:27] I mean, I got to tell you, that's a doozy. Because that's the kind of stuff that sticks in people's heads like forever.
[29:38] Yeah, it was about his kids. Like, I know I'm...
[29:40] No, and him, and his wife.
[29:42] I stepped in it here. Sorry?
[29:43] No, because it wasn't just about the kids, right? It was also about him and his wife, right?
[29:48] Yeah, and it's totally not anything I actually agree with. I mean, she's a stay-at-home mom who's homeschooling her kids. I actually, you know, like, I line up more with her than I do my boss. As far as like you know i mean the the values of the individual and the goals
[30:08] and the aims i if anything i would be jealous of her the you know the the.
[30:14] Oh because she gets to stay home and be creative and you're making jawbone with your boss okay got it okay yeah i mean listen that's uh, that's a tough one uh that is a tough one because it's not just like uh oh can you believe the way she dresses you know like it's not something like that it is like their entire gene pool is a drain on society oof i gotta tell you that's that's a that's a rough one to back out of that's a rough it is like come on i mean if somebody said that about you uh and then was like whoops whoopsie, my bad right that would be that's a that's a little tough to back out of right.
[30:52] Well and you know it wouldn't be any less true i would you know i mean like i, I can see people seeing us the same way.
[31:04] Right. And listen, just so you understand, I've said things as bad.
[31:11] Everyone here, if they're honest, we've all gotten involved in some gossip fest that escalates that we would not be doing if the person was in the room. Every single, if you're honest, every single person has done that.
[31:24] Every single person has said stuff that if heard by the party they're talking about would be pretty catastrophic. So I just, I'm not, I'm not on some floating guru mountaintop here. Oh, I can't believe you said anything. I'm not saying it like we've all done it. We've all done it in fact i remember and i don't want to make this about me but i i clearly remember when i was um producing a play that i'd written uh i was out doing i was out counting the the box office receipts and i had a headset on and everybody didn't know that nobody knew that i had the headset and they were like all of the the the staff the crew the stage manager were all discussing me and it was you know it was actually wasn't that bad you know but it was it was really interesting to hear people talk about me as if you're not there because like you never get that, experience in life so so but i've i've said stuff where if it had gotten back to the people, that i was talking about i would have died of shame or like so so i just want you to understand this is not a unique experience you're not a terrible person everybody's done it it's just you know you've you've learned a kind of brutal lesson which is you know maybe conformity with the boss's stuff or don't do it unless you're in an encrypted bunker somewhere three miles below the earth's surface or something like that.
[32:46] And I've heard stories, of course, people who they didn't realize their phone was still on, right? And then they tell them, oh my God, I can't believe that guy calls. He's so annoying, right? They don't realize the phone is still on. So it's not a unique experience. I don't want you to be like, oh my God, terrible. I just, but, but that is a, that is a pretty rough statement to, to withdraw from. And that simply means that you got to look deep in your heart and say, how did this come about now? Is it because you wanted to curry favor with the boss? Do you think like if it hadn't been your boss, do you think it would have engaged in something that you didn't believe in, in that kind of way?
[33:21] I think my next thing that I was going to say after, I don't think you're wrong is that I genuinely like her. And normally I would do that. I'm not sure why I didn't in that moment. But like I said, I mean, I can see both sides.
[33:35] But you need to know why, because if you're going to apologize, then you need to know why. So that's my question. If it wasn't the boss, is it an over-eagerness to be liked? Do you fear for your job? Do you, if you, does your boss, is your boss hostile towards differences of opinions? Like if you were to say, oh, I don't see it that way. I mean, my kid has some awkwardness and all of that. And yes, she's artistic, but, you know, we need artists in society. Like, what would happen to your boss if you had had or put forward a contrary opinion?
[34:06] I have. We've had, we've, we've actually discussed the contra, contra opinion. I admitted already, she knows that my kid is homeschooled. Like, and on top of that, I said that, like, if you look at the personality dynamics, um, the creative people, they, they tend to be, you know, a little bit odd. And your argument that we didn't kill them off. And so we have inventions and creations and we have these incredible.
[34:31] I'm sorry, the argument is that they should have been killed off. God, how bad does this gossiping get?
[34:35] No, no, no.
[34:37] We're talking genocide, the artist and the artist now?
[34:41] Well, no. So we were just, in general, talking about people that are different. So we were talking about people that are transgender, people that have green hair, people that, and she tends to mock them. And she comes from the perspective that they're all weird and that they're all, you know, sort of, well, I guess a drain on society would be her argument. And my counter argument, which I have explained to her, is that you're not seeing the fact that there is no progress without people that are, you know, against the trends that are creative in nature. And they tend to be less orderly and they tend to have this sort of disorganized flair. And they, you know, I mean.
[35:20] Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, gee, I hope I could be socially awkward for the rest of my life. Gee, I hope I could just be really different from the norm. I mean, that's not a general idea. We like to fit in, right? And too many outliers tend to not make it genetically or whatever it is. So, okay. So then why would you roll along with this and participate in it if it's not what you believe? And again, this is some big integrity question, but there's a motive that you need to understand because you can't do anything about the past, but the pain of the past is to help you not do it again in the future. And if you don't know the causality as to why you did it, then you can't guarantee you won't do it again, if that makes sense.
[35:55] It does make sense.
[35:57] So why were you going along?
[36:00] Is it possible that I hold both views, that I understand why they're difficult to accept and they do leave a bit of a bad taste because they are so, if I could say it, weird?
[36:16] Okay.
[36:17] You know, so I was empathizing with that side of myself, but the other side of myself also exists. And because I'd already put that argument forward, I didn't think she needed it to be reiterated in the moment. I was relying on our previous conversations, but I was also recognizing that, you know, I mean, there is a valid point that, you know, I mean, it is difficult to really accept weird people.
[36:55] Well, and as a manager myself, and I've managed some IT people, it can be tricky to manage oddballs, for sure. I mean, you kind of need them in the business because they can be very helpful for productivity and all of that. But yeah, they definitely can be odd. Okay. However, I don't think that you would believe that such a people would be this sort of terrible drain on society. And I don't know if whatever elimination conversation was going on, we don't have to get into details. But i'm pretty sure you wouldn't so the question is why would you go so far as to say you could say of course like oh yeah it can be frustrating for sure and you know um people can be challenging but you know there's benefits in those challenges and like the sort of balanced perspective right so why would you go to the point where the other person or the person in the next room could sort of legitimately be a little shocked and offended if that makes sense.
[37:49] I really don't have an answer my follow-up was going to be but i liked her my yes i agree with what you're saying but i liked her and that just didn't come out of my mouth and i'm i don't know why and i'm i'm regretting it and it was on the tip of my tongue and you know what i need to do now is to try to piece the situation together hopefully where i still get to keep my job and i can make amends with the people i harmed.
[38:13] Who didn't deserve it but you lose your job.
[38:17] Well i mean it's going to put us at odds right because.
[38:19] You and this other person that you were gossiping about the.
[38:23] Boss exactly who who who has a complete distaste and clearly she revealed.
[38:28] Hang on hang on hang on so i thought you agreed with the boss and that's why the person in the next room sorry to be such a male here i'm just losing some of the threads of this so i thought you agreed with the boss and the person in the next room who you were talking about was upset and offended yes i agreed with okay so if you agree with the boss hang on hang on hang on just Let me follow. So if you agree with the boss, how are you going to get fired? Like if you go and say, like if you go and apologize to this person, do you have to inform your boss? Does it matter if your boss finds out you apologized or what does it mean?
[38:58] Well, no, you're right. There is a very, very good possibility that I never have to let my boss know. But going forward, I won't make this mistake again, which means that if this topic of conversation comes up, I'm going to follow through with integrity on the promise I'll make this man.
[39:16] So do you want to know a little mental trick that I use in these kinds of situations? And given that we're not exactly hardcore Christians, it may sound a little bit odd. But when I come into these kinds of situations, what I say to myself is, if there was a God, what would this be teaching me? What would he have? How would he have? Why would he have engineered this? And what does he want to teach me? Does that make sense? Now, you don't have to be religious, but it's an important question because there are moral lessons embedded in just about everything we do. And so the question i think would be so if there is a god if there was a god what would he be trying to teach me now of course if you were a christian you would say well i fell prey to the temptation of gossip and god wants me to be more honest and direct and less susceptible to the pressures of authority so that i can live with more integrity or whatever it is right and there's you don't need the god for those lessons to be learned but it's a helpful shortcut to you know like when i got de-platformed, I was like, okay, if there was a God and he allowed me to be de-platformed, what would he be doing that for? And of course, given the dangers that people experienced under the Biden regime and given what happened to Charlie Kirk and so on, it's like, oh, that's right, to keep me safe.
[40:34] Yeah, I was thinking that.
[40:35] Right. And this is a good tip, I think, for people as a whole, is that if these kinds of thing happen, which is going to be the case, we're all going to make mistakes. And... The question is, what is God teaching me? What does God want me to learn from this? And again, whether you're a believer or not, I guarantee you, it will give you the quickest shortcut to the core moral question. So I ask you, my friend, what is God trying to teach you with this?
[41:09] Well, I have an answer for that, I think, but first I'd like to make a comment about what you said.
[41:13] Sure.
[41:14] Okay. So I don't know what your relationship is with Jordan Peterson, but he made it very clear, don't throw pearls before swine. And I think that you have created an incredible body of work and the people
[41:26] that deserve it will find it. And I think that if anything, we are seeing this whole thing tip off, which unfortunately you said is going to have to come to violence, but that there are a lot of people that are currently in a better position or better armed to reduce the escalation, move towards a freer society because of all the work that you've done so i would like to keep you safe but in my own personal perspective here what is what am i being taught i think i'm being taught that um i guess i'm gonna have to walk this dance it's gonna be ugly and i need to find a no no no that's not.
[42:08] That's walking the dance is the punishment but what is the punishment designed to teach you you know you put your hand in a fire it hurts to teach you not to put your hand in a fire again, right?
[42:18] Yes, that's right.
[42:19] So what is God trying to teach you with this difficulty? What moral lesson is the universe, we could say the universe if you like, trying to teach you?
[42:31] I think it's trying to teach me, I guess, well, obviously not to gossip.
[42:39] Sure, sure. But that's just a rule. the question is what makes you susceptible to gossip.
[42:50] I don't know because I don't care if she likes me I mean I wonder if like, I'm being a friend to her because I believe that you know like you say treat somebody the way that you want to be treated and I'm not 100% certain I'm going to need to spend some time on this.
[43:11] So i would imagine i don't know obviously but i would imagine it's something like this, be more honest now if and don't go with the flow which again is a temptation for all of us and and we all fall prey to that and that's not always the end of the world right but i think it's be more honest don't talk about people just because your boss is doing it don't talk about them negatively don't just go with the flow and the other thing is that.
[43:37] If you have a negative view of someone, especially at work, it might be worth sitting down with them. But you said you like this woman who's more artistic and they homeschool their kids. So maybe the argument is or the lesson is, you know, to work to nurture and develop your friendships and relationships to the point where you won't be tempted to gossip about someone that you actually kind of like. Because i mean if if somebody was bringing up i don't know your best friend or your husband or whoever right then you wouldn't sit there and go oh yeah total drain on society right because you're close to them right so maybe it has to do with being less judgmental about people's differences.
[44:17] And getting closer to them as people and i have this sometimes just you know by the by i hope this will help but there are times in call-in shows where i've disliked the person at the beginning i've even disliked the person when i get the message and then over the course of the call-in show i end up having much greater sympathy for them because you know you hear all these people that made these terrible decisions and then you hear about their childhoods it's like oh my god that was hell hell on wheels so it gives you some more uh sympathy so uh if if there are people around it
[44:52] i mean this is the old quote it's uh uh it's easy it's hard to think which is why most people judge. And I do it too and all of that, right? But if there is somebody around who's kind of awkward and so on, I mean, you can either not have a relationship with them at all, but it sounds like you have a positive view of this woman and her kids, her family, but to get a little closer to them, you know, take them out for lunch, ask them about their life, try and figure out where they're coming from. And from there, some really positive things can come out. And once you get sympathy and you learn people's history, then it's much tougher to gossip about them, if that makes sense.
[45:30] It does. And I think I've just personally reflected on what the issue is. And I think the issue is this. Since I started listening to you, I have been a strong advocate of all the principles that you advocate for. So I post on my Facebook and to the point where like, I'm posting two to three posts a day, like reiterating your arguments. And I've been completely isolated as a consequence.
[45:53] Oh, I'm sorry about that. I really am.
[45:56] I actually had the opportunity to wake up to the fact that, you know, people don't like me.
[46:02] No, no, no. Don't, don't. I mean, listen, I know you're a lovely female and I appreciate that, but it's not about you. They don't like you. No, people dislike the truth. And if you happen to bring the truth, they'll pretend that they dislike you. But if it would be like if you were willing to lie to people, then they'll like you, but then they're not you. So then you're not you. So it's not personal. It's not you. People don't hate me. They don't even know me. But they dislike the feelings that what I say brings up in them. And it's not me. They really dislike their own resistance to the truth. But sorry, go ahead.
[46:38] Yes so you're right spot on but now I'm kind of at the point where I realized you know like I need to have a job I need to stay employed I need to like be able to have people that I can consider as part you know I need a friend group and so they think that I'm a radical and they they want to continue carrying on with the benefits of the lies that I'm interfering with and so in that moment I think part of me is wrestling with whether or not I need to fight this battle at great personal cost for people that don't seem to care so where does my responsibility lie as far as suffering the consequences of the truth and i think in that moment because this has been something that's kind of bubbling up because i stopped posting on facebook like i see this thing with the um the orange shirt situation as being the same thing that happened in africa where there They sowed division between the white farmers and they made the whole argument about apartheid. And then they chased off the people that were white, obviously, and tried to move in.
[47:44] Well, sorry, just to reiterate that, I mean, I'm seeing numbers from 45 to 65 trillion dollars that the British Empire looted from China. And it all comes just Marxist, Marxist claptrap, sowing division, raising resentment, and so on. It's like the divorce lawyer who's like, oh, you should get what you deserve. You owe more. He's hiding money. It's just because the lawyer wants money and fees and all of that, and maybe just do some damage. But yeah, so yeah, they're definitely, you know, we're out there trying to heal with the truth. And there are other people who are just rubbing salt in wounds continually.
[48:20] Yeah. And so like I have friends that are native. I have my Métis card. I don't want to see what's happening. I don't think chasing off white productive people that have, you know, the British principle of law is a good idea. I don't think they're going to be happier when they get in bed with China because they're, you know, and in case.
[48:37] Oh, Africa is, I mean, sorry to interrupt. Yeah. I mean, Africa is going to be a complete, I mean, I want to say racist, but you know, in terms of like ethnically tight and other hostile, it's hard to beat the Chinese. And when it's going to be wild to watch the people in Africa attempt to try and provoke Asian guilt in China, I mean, they just won't care. White people are like, oh, maybe my ancestors did do something wrong. Huh, you have a good point. Well, we do have universal morality. Man, that's not going to happen going forward. But it can't be stopped, really. Sorry, go ahead.
[49:14] Yeah, it can't be stopped. So I need to shut up, get realistic about the amount of power that I have to change anything and get along. And I think that that's what was happening when I was having that conversation with my boss. It's like, you know, you're making a terrible mistake if you're underestimating people that are different and odd and weird. And, you know, and this is, you know, like you, you should, there is, should be some kind of gratitude for the risk that these people are taking. And, but then the question in the moment for me was, what do I choose? Do I choose survival?
[49:48] Right.
[49:48] Or do I choose, you know what I mean?
[49:50] I do. Do I know what you mean? I certainly do. Yeah, of course.
[49:54] I know.
[49:54] So listen, we are not conscripted into the pursuit of truth and have to ride it until the horse's legs give out and we die in the desert. Take a break. Smell the roses. Go on a hike. Go see a silly movie. Go see a comedian. And you cannot be at war all the time. It will wreck you. And you need to do things that are fun and enjoyable and silly and i would imagine that because you're kind of worn out by fighting online that disagreeing with your boss just felt like a bridge too far and uh you know we are the this is my knotted bob character from just poor the truth is not a sword to be drawn at all costs sometimes because this is the lesson of mary right at the in the in the book she tells the truth and starts uh sets in motion a whole bunch of terrible things and is she right yeah.
[50:50] Does it work? No. And just being right doesn't give you, I mean, Charlie Kirk was right, didn't give him a bulletproof vest. Being right does not make you vulnerable. It doesn't make you bulletproof. And it's not going to make you happy if all you're doing is being at war. Because you're going to need to sell, I mean, because people can't think, you need to sell truth through your persona. And if you're kind of stressed and worn out and tense and your eyes are darting and your big rings on your eyes and you say, you ought to listen to me. Well, because people can't think reasonably. So all they do is look at you and say, oh man, if you're in possession of the truth, I don't want that life. Whatever you've got, I don't want. And you're actually doing a disservice. You really have to enjoy your life and find ways to appreciate the beauty of the world that is. And if you're just, because we're all kind of stressed about the way the world is going. I think that's fair to say. And yeah, recognizing the limits of what you can do. Like, I don't have control of the entire educational system. I don't have control of the media. I don't have control of central banking. I don't have control of government. I don't have control of universities. Like, I don't. And in general, bad people do.
[52:07] And I can chip away. And, you know, my particular goal is to be right in the next cycle of history. The next cycle of history, they'll look back and they'll say, okay, so who was saying this was going to go badly who was saying who was right and sometimes you just have to be patient and your grandchildren or your great-grandchildren might inherit your credibility which is attacked and rejected in the present but yeah it is really really important to not be fighting all the time because it really just will wear you out i mean even even in war they give their soldiers their time off, right?
[52:45] Yes. And I appreciate and I'm grateful for everything that you've done because I see a lot of people around being very, very scared of the world. And I reflect on the time that I've listened to you and realized that, like, I have a pretty good grasp and understanding of what's going on. And so I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, but I'm definitely a lot less fearful of it. And, you know, like, I don't have the same level of stress.
[53:08] But if you go to this woman and if you were to say something like you know what i i've worn myself out a bit by fighting the good fight too too much and too long and too often and i just i fell in line and it was wrong and you suffered from it please this is not what is true this is not what i believe i i misallocated my resources and i've been fighting with strangers and it turns out that i ended up betraying a friend and i'm sorry about that so again if you have a reason as to why you did what you did, then the apology makes almost infinitely more sense. So again, I'm not saying, but reflect on what caused you. I'll give you, here's a stupid example just from sort of my life. So I don't know, this is many years ago. I was walking around at an outdoor mall and I had an iPod touch in the baggy front pocket of my pants. And this is how ridiculous my brain can be at times. Maybe this is true for everyone. And I was walking along. I didn't know anyone there. I was going to go meet my family. They'd been doing some shopping. And I'm walking and I'm like, oh, I bet you look really goofy with this iPod touch in the front pants. Like, I bet it looks kind of goofy or like I'll switch it to my back pocket. Like, and I was like, what does this matter? I don't meet any of these people. I don't know any of these people. Anyway, so I took the iPod touch out. And it fell out of my hand and cracked, the front cracked. And I hate when electronics get damaged.
[54:33] It's like poison ivy on my brain when electronics get damaged. Because when you grow up poor, you have to take care of everything kind of hysterically.
[54:41] And so it doesn't really matter what happened after that. But this is how ridiculous, oh, I don't want to look goofy with this thing banging around on the front of my pants. I'll put it in my back pocket and then I drop it and break it. And it's like, well, what was the point of any of that? What was the point of that at all? So, but knowing like, well, you know, I wanted to look a certain way and I didn't. And again, I know this is such a completely minor and inconsequential thing, but it just sort of popped into my mind when I was listening to you that, you know, because I grew up poor, it mattered how I looked and I had to look different or better. So I just dig in and try and figure out. And there's going to be great important life lessons, I think, in this.
[55:18] What does God want you to learn from this? And I think if you take that approach, you'll look back over time and you'll say, I'm glad it happened because look how much I learned about my life and look how much better things are as a whole. So I think that's the challenge and the goal is to take the negatives and say, if you learn the maximum moral lesson out of everything negative, it actually becomes a positive. And that's the only alchemy that I think that really matters, if that makes sense.
[55:47] It totally does. Yes. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.
[55:50] I appreciate that. Great, great question and comment. All right. Hope everyone's followed my YouTube channel. Be nice to get the old one back, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't think it will. It's probably gone by now from the surface. All right any other questions issues challenges problems thoughts criticisms exhortations suggestions workout tips anything i have to watch this time of year man i tend to overeat in the fall i think it's just a basic get ready for winter thing so i'm like always hungry in the fall, so then i work out more and then i'm like oh because i worked out more i'm more hungry so, have to watch that weight gain in the fall every year every year all right going once going twice any other thoughts issues challenges happy to hear i'll.
[56:37] Jump in if no one else is.
[56:38] Sure if you got something i'm happy to hear hey.
[56:41] Sorry i tried to um chat with you on x the other day i'd never joined like a space to at least chat before uh.
[56:48] Well it is the final frontier sorry go ahead.
[56:51] I just like i was clicking the button to unmute and it was like kept switching
[56:55] back to a muted it was it was awkward i don't know.
[56:57] Um oh no i've had that when i hit a mute button it takes a second or two and that that's part of the just with tech you know anything that's slow yeah end up clicking and unclicking a whole bunch of times anyway go ahead.
[57:08] Uh first and foremost just thank you so much for all your work um me and my uh fiance soon-to-be wife we are expecting uh in march.
[57:19] Um so super exciting on every count congratulations thank.
[57:23] You we're uh both listening through your Peaceful Parenting book as we speak. So I think we're about halfway through that. So going through that, thank you for that. I think really, I don't really have any questions per se. I just really wanted to give you some appreciation. I started listening to you probably back in 2013. I remember there was an episode you were talking about, you're basically saying everyone go buy Bitcoin. And at the time it was $100.
[57:55] Yeah.
[57:56] I've been poor my whole life, but I was working.
[58:00] Please tell me you got some Bitcoin.
[58:01] No, I did not.
[58:03] Oh, no. I tried.
[58:04] I didn't take the advice. I literally was like, I recount this story all the time because I just like kicked myself in the ass for it. But I had $5,000 to my name at the time. I almost just threw it all in Bitcoin just because of what you were saying. But it was such a big risk at the time. And I was not making any money. Well, I've lost a bunch too.
[58:18] So we've all got our regrets with regards to Bitcoin. But anyway, go ahead.
[58:23] It's just a funny thing. I remember one of the, like, I guess some of the first things I started listening to you um was some of your presentations on um like the the truth about Trayvon Martin I remember that one was a big one for me because at the time I was in this like media bubble like most people are I was uh just after you know college so um it was I was very indoctrinated I guess uh and so seeing that I was like okay people are calling like Stefan racist for talking about this stuff But I listened to his presentation. He had a lot of data and reasoning and justification for his viewpoint, his perspective. And I was like, this is like unfair. He's being he's being represented unfairly across, you know, other platforms. Like I remember specifically, I used to listen to the Young Turks back then. And something that like Czech Uyghur was going on and on about was just how like evil you were and awful you were about your stance on Trayvon Martin. And it's just like stuff like that.
[59:23] I think Anika Barian was grabbing at me with Joe Rogan right before I went back for my third show. And I think that's one of the reasons that Joe kind of turned on me and gave me a real sucker punch ambush. So, yeah, I guess they were not huge fans.
[59:39] Yeah, it's funny seeing her kind of come around now to some of this stuff, which is a cool little arc for her.
[59:47] Yeah, so long story short, I guess, thank you for everything, man. I've never actually done a live call-in show with you, So I really just wanted to hop on. I only had a few minutes here and just wanted to, you know, give you some appreciation. And you've touched my life. You've touched a lot of people's lives, even if they're not vocal about it or able to, you know, jump on something like this and actually verbally tell you.
[1:00:09] I appreciate that. Thank you very much. It's lovely to hear, you know, 12 years in. And yeah, it's funny, you know, because like, I can't tell people to buy Bitcoin. You know, I can, you know, I can't because like, I can't give investment advice. Right. That's like, there's a whole regulatory thing about that. You know, like, I can't say to people, don't take the vaccine. I can't do that.
[1:00:28] Right.
[1:00:29] I can present the facts and say what I've done. But I, and in general, I obviously won't tell people what to do. So because I do sometimes people are, well, why didn't you just come back? Out and say it it's like with this because because because all right well i appreciate that and uh when's your wedding um.
[1:00:45] So we're not actually doing a a traditional wedding we're just going to go to the courthouse um we both aren't really like religious necessarily um and we don't want to spend a bunch of money on a ceremony um just because it feels like a waste so that's where we're at.
[1:01:03] Uh when are you going to the courthouse we.
[1:01:06] So we got the uh license approval uh whatever that process is um and so probably in the next month.
[1:01:14] Wow that's wonderful and when's your baby due.
[1:01:17] Um march 6th.
[1:01:19] Beautiful yeah it's funny i get wedding invitations like all over the world from people who met through the show and i just can't i just i can't i can't quite justify it nice though it is oh.
[1:01:30] Man i can only imagine.
[1:01:31] Wow okay well congratulations and hopefully there's many more babies to come and i wish you guys very best and if there's anything i can do of course please don't hesitate freedom.com/call, fdrurl.com/call, and that's the way to go all right anybody else thoughts issues challenges problems whatever on your mind don't feel like you have to hey if you're feeling like like just listening that's fine too sorry go ahead.
[1:01:57] Yeah just some feedback on uh i'm not sure if there's rocks guy there's a lot of us who listen are just like want to punch through whatever we're listening to um, and throttle people sometimes.
[1:02:11] Remember the uh i'm not sure if rocks are real guy.
[1:02:15] Oh yeah yeah that guy i think he's uh i think james was saying that He can be a troll that we've had before, but sorry, go ahead.
[1:02:23] Yeah, but just know that there's a lot of us who listen, and then we feel we're getting as creeped out as you are. So just know that you're not alone. And I feel like there's plenty of times in our lives where we feel like, oh boy, I've dealt with someone who's just that inane. So we appreciate your dedication to reason. Now, I just wanted to share quickly.
[1:02:48] I also wanted to mention real briefly before you go into that, just before that topic drops off. I view people who dissolve reality philosophically, I just view them as having really, really bad conscience, that they just have a really bad conscience. And that's why they like determinists. But anyway, go ahead.
[1:03:03] So just briefly, love how you weave in music in your very entertaining presentations, your little asides, your musicality, your little lyrics, because I'm very close in age to you, so I get 99% of the references. I just wanted to share that in the new Taylor Swift album that dropped overnight, she has a song called Wishlist. And she says in the song, they want it all. They want that complex female character. They want that critical smash on door and an Oscar on their bathroom floor. They want it all. And they should have what they want. They deserve what they want. Hope they get what they want. I just want you and we're assuming this is about Travis Kelsey have a couple kids got the whole block looking like you we tell the world they gotta leave us alone at least that's the clean version and they do wow got me dreaming about a driveway with a basketball hoop boss up settle down got a wish list I just want you so hopefully, your message to Taylor all those years ago has finally.
[1:04:19] Five or six years ago, yeah, yeah.
[1:04:22] Has finally, because I believe, I've got daughters, I believe that, there are so many who you know the power of music to influence yeah there are going to be so many kids who grew up with her music who if she follows through on this wish list and you know, good luck with her eggs and all that but if she's able to crank out a few kids with travis and they had the nice imagine the great contribution to the world what the art that she could create writing about and singing about the joys of motherhood that's what i've been telling my girls who have been swifty since uh you know being five six years old they're now 23 and 18 so i'm very i pray that she and travis have no issues um and that they're able to uh bring some new life into the world and maybe with uh a sense of of the future all the women who have been influenced by her, and men as well. Dads have been influenced by her as well, because we've had to deal with this Taylor Swift effect, whether we liked it or not, that there could be a pendulum swing back the other way towards virtue and reason. So thank you, Stef.
[1:05:41] I was reading this...
[1:05:41] I want to share that with you.
[1:05:42] Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. I was reading a study the other day that if you want three kids, you kind of have to start to 23. Two kids, 27. If you start in your 30s, you're only likely to have one kid and so uh she's i'm sorry but.
[1:05:59] Um yeah she's definitely statistically behind things but um my guess if there's anyone who can command the top fertility clinics to uh to make it happen it's it's um uh taylor.
[1:06:13] Well and she also may she may yeah she may have it happen and not tell anyone like she could get a donor egg implanted and then pretend she's pregnant right so it could be any number of things. But there will, of course, be a big movement to get her to not have children or to not enjoy it or to not espouse motherhood because, you know, they don't want those Swifties having kids.
[1:06:34] Well, and I think that's why in that song, in that specific song, it's called Wishlist, if you get around to looking at it. That's why I think she put all those caveats before her wishlist. She still needs to affirm the hedonism.
[1:06:47] Yeah, the girl wants stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a real shame. Well, we'll see. And she's, what, 36 now?
[1:06:56] Um born in 89 so at the end of this december 13th that makes her 36 yeah.
[1:07:03] Wow okay so yeah so she's 35 now is that right okay yeah.
[1:07:10] She's she's 35 now.
[1:07:12] Yeah it's tough man it's a tough age to start having kids i mean it could happen it could happen but definitely better to start younger and i hope you'll remind your kids of that, I appreciate that so I'll check out the song for sure I like some of her she did that pop album with, Shake It Off and those kinds of songs I thought they were pretty good pretty good songs on that but that's a that's a while ago now alright thank you appreciate that any other questions comments issues what's on your mind if anything anything I can do to help real quick yep.
[1:07:45] First off how's my audio is it better than usual.
[1:07:48] Good yeah.
[1:07:49] Okay good I got I'm trying out a new headset that it's not great for long-term listening
[1:07:53] but it's been 17 years it feels too soon.
[1:07:56] Yeah yeah yeah.
[1:07:56] Oh the snark it's just you all get to hang out but james and i get to keep talking sorry go ahead yes.
[1:08:03] Yes yes no uh so um in the taylor swift lyrics i mean i could have missed it i don't think i heard you know like all i want is you right essentially that's what it was i want like a family or nothing like that she's like just you yeah.
[1:08:16] Well, she's talking about filling the block up with people who look like him and having babies, so I think she mentioned it.
[1:08:22] Oh, sorry, I missed that then. I'm so sorry.
[1:08:25] Yeah, it's not that. There's that U2 song. It's a great song. All I want is you. And I think it's not that.
[1:08:33] Okay, I just completely missed it then. I was a little distracted. But I also wanted to note, it could have been that troll, just to go back to the other guy, you know, the rocks guy. Yeah um i also was looking into something completely i wasn't seeking him out i was looking at something completely unrelated um for the show and i saw him on a debate channel like in a five years ago and he like he looking at him like actually he was actually on video looking at him he was like dead-eyed not even looking at the camera and really weirdly oddly aggressive like from the very beginning the moderator wants to start the debate and he jumped in with this weird stuff and it's like, ooh, okay. So, he's been like this for a while. Whether or not he's the troll or not, he's like, okay, yeah, this guy has been doing this for a long time.
[1:09:19] But didn't you have a suspicion that he'd floated around Telegram in a negative context? Do I have that right?
[1:09:25] No, I totally did because of the name, but I don't have anything other than he used that name way back in the day. So, he could have done that, but he's also been disappeared now for a while, too.
[1:09:36] It's funny, too, because it was like the guy yesterday, and I mentioned this in the show, it still blows my mind, that he's not sure that Aztecs murdering and eating children is bad, but he's really offended and upset that I'm asking for clarity in his definitions.
[1:09:55] It's wild. Like the rocks aren't real guy. He doesn't know that rocks are real, but he knows that I'm being unfair. I mean, that's just, and I don't know if I just have this hierarchy of.
[1:10:11] A hierarchy of importance. But to me, the price of believing that rocks aren't
[1:10:17] real or not believing that rocks are real is you can't judge anything. I mean, you can't judge that rocks exist.
[1:10:23] You can't judge anyone or anything about anything because it's more complex to figure out if someone's being fair or unfair than it is to feel if there's a rock in your hand like animals could do that i mean you you you give a uh a nut to a squirrel it doesn't just look at you and say i don't know man could be a nut could be i don't know doesn't i don't know they know so even and even the lower animals know what things are the mouse knows where the hole is it goes in the hole right doesn't sort of keep running into the wall so if you can't do what a mouse can do you sure as hell can't do what a human being can do and if a mouse knows what this real is not and you can't even do that then you can't get to abstract things like fairness at all and that to me would be the price and that's why like i had to accept those things as real because i would find it too cringe and manipulative to say well i don't know if rocks are real but you're a racist you know what are you talking about like one is much more complex if you don't know the simple stuff it'd be like me saying i don't know that two and two make four but i i can totally judge uh i can totally judge fermat's last theorem or i can totally judge uh einstein's proof for the theory of relativity like no if you don't know the two and two make four nobody's going to listen to you about math at all so i i wanted to be able to judge morally which means i can't have a subjectivist.
[1:11:42] Metaphysics or epistemology so but people seem quite happy with it and i find it weird and it's just you think of all the teachers that these guys have passed through like that guy who had his degree and i don't know communism or whatever it was in from the university of hawaii or university in hawaii and it's like yeah you think of he's probably had probably have like 10 or 15 teachers over the course of his life and this is where he's at i mean i i really think that modern teaching is just mental terrorism it's just teaching you just stuff people full of slogans and turn them loose on the world they just turn them into npcs yeah pick your dialogue wheel anyway go ahead.
[1:12:19] Yeah yeah i um sort of i don't have much more to add on that topic i just wanted to add that little sort of tidbit uh you know but all donors here you know i don't mind uh you know showing some of the stuff going on um but on a different uh stepping away from that uh i've been seeing this cancel netflix stuff going around and of course like all the stuff is like, Really, really, you know, it's an indoctrination basically for the kids' shows that they have there. And I haven't seen this, but I can't imagine I'm the only person to point this out. People will talk about canceling Netflix and still send their kids to public schools.
[1:12:55] Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it's a little easier to cancel Netflix than it is to reorganize your whole life. Because, of course, a lot of people live in the neighborhoods they live in, partly to get away from bad schools, right? I mean, because schools are tied to zip codes. A lot of, I mean, one of the reasons that people go so nuts for real estate is the real estate depends on the quality of education or the physical danger your kids were in. I don't know if you remember a good friend, Jake, from many moons ago, but he went to a good school when he was with one parent and a bad school when he was another parent. And it was just absolutely horrendous the night and day that he went through. So a lot of it is just trying to. So, yeah, if you homeschool, you're probably going to have to move.
[1:13:36] And if you have to move, you lose your whole neighborhood and like it's a real every day it's easier to stay in the long run it would have been wiser to change.
[1:13:45] Yeah yeah no that's totally fair that's totally fair I mean just in terms of like like you said every day you say and it's a big big change and sacrifice and it's not easy I mean to say it's not easy is to not even come close to it right so I get that but still it's also still like you know you keep complaining about, society and you send your kids to theseschools I mean well.
[1:14:08] I think that's elon musk's regret right that he sent his uh his kid to a super woke school and was not exactly pleased with the outcome um but you know.
[1:14:17] Yeah say the least yeah.
[1:14:19] All right anyone anything else that we can.
[1:14:23] Help the other thing i'll say is that we'll get the youtube links up i had the old youtube links in the database um who knows if they're probably useless now but so i'll get that up soon i.
[1:14:33] Appreciate that and do we have uh so when we have a video that's not going well yeah yeah yeah because when it's published it does go to youtube so uh yeah we just need to get those in all right
[1:14:43] and i have i've been putting the youtube announcements out with the podcast announcement so that the primary link is youtube but it should also be showing there so
[1:14:51] i appreciate that i appreciate that all right going once going twice there have beensome text chats i haven't seen them though i don't want to touch the screen for fear i'm going to hang up on everyone? All right. Okay, guys. Well, listen, obviously, massive thanks, as always, for your support of the show. We'll just obviously just keep this for donors only, but I'm sorry. I'll try and do this on a more regular basis, but there's been quite a bit of public wrangling that's been going on at the moment, but I really appreciate your support. Hi. Yes, sir. Go ahead.
[1:15:25] Hi, Stefan. Yeah, I just... Hi, I'm a recent subscriber to your platform.
[1:15:30] Welcome to Fantasy Island. Go ahead.
[1:15:34] Thanks so much. Yeah, and I just wanted to kind of basically say thanks and I really appreciate your content and you're basically confronting lies in the broader context. And something I've noticed among many people that I come in contact with is that if I start a conversation with somebody, I could ask them, would you prefer that I lie to you or be honest? And oftentimes it's interesting to watch their reaction and listen to their words when they hear this as a statement or as a question because it's perhaps the first time they've ever been asked this question. And i feel like so many people are just inert to the truth i mean to lies that um, the first time they confront this question is very very confusing to them and it's kind of a little bit of a litmus test i suppose yeah.
[1:16:51] Everybody wants everybody wants the truth but Nobody wants the consequences of the truth, which is often ostracism and hostility.
[1:16:58] Yeah, exactly. And that's why I feel like you're doing such a great job in promoting being truthful and being honest and confronting people when they lie. I think, you know, I listened to the last few podcasts you've put up there and these conversations you've had with various people. And especially the one when you asked that guy, you know, is a rock real? And it was like the first time he'd come across actual... First time you come across reality in some sense.
[1:17:43] Well, sorry to interrupt. And I hear what you're saying. There's reasons why you'd say that. But unless I completely missed my guess, he had been on once before to talk about about a month, maybe five weeks ago, to talk about the is-ought dichotomy. And he kind of goaded and provoked, and I mean this in a very positive way. He goaded and provoked me to come up with a better way of explaining my answer to the is-ought dichotomy. And I went through a whole podcast where I'm literally puzzling this out in real time. Okay, could I try this approach? And I finally came up with the answer, which is, is a debate an is or an ought? Which is why I started off with that question with him. So although, yes, he was definitely kind of annoying, but the annoying people help you sharpen your arguments, which is why I like the people. Like when the philosophy professor or the logic professor came on a week or two ago and was sort of hammering at me. I'm like, yeah, you know, I mean, just stop doing boring, girly insults. Let's actually have a robust debate. But I like it when people come in. You know, I was hoping yesterday I would get some Indians to come in and tell me how wrong I was about everything. I would really appreciate that. But sadly, no. And I don't know if that guy even has his mic issues or not, or whether he just unplugs the mic and then claims technical issues, because it seems unlikely it would happen twice when he's losing a debate. But no, I like having the people come on who really disagree.
[1:19:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely, I believe. Steel sharpens steel, so to speak. I have another question for you, and I'm not sure. This might be a kind of a, like I said, I'm a new subscriber, so if I'm wrong about this, then please point that out to me. But my question is, I haven't, listening to all your podcasts, so I went back to the beginning and worked my way forward to the present, i haven't heard one single female question female asking a question on your on your platform, and um i'm a little is perplexed not perplexed by that but you know what do you make of that.
[1:19:53] I mean i don't know if you're listening to whole show today but i had a long chat with a woman who was calling in about her issues um fiona called in on wednesday night uh and so usually i mean usually if i have a two-hour show there's usually at least one woman who calls in definitely early on it was more technical philosophical and so on around the economy and anarcho-capitalism and so on so those are just not female topics as a whole once i started going into relationships and family stuff and so on as you can imagine that brought more women in, for the people who want private calls a lot of times it's women for obvious
[1:20:30] reasons but yeah Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's not a total sausage fest, but it definitely is majority male in the space because it's heavy on logic, abstract analytics, and not...
[1:20:44] People-based i mean we certainly talk about people but it's not people-based women tend to gravitate more towards people things meant gravitate more towards abstractions and uh technicalities and so uh and and uh also i mean i don't know what it is it's like female comedians simply cannot do a set without talking about sex and uh because sex is not much of a topic in the show as a whole uh you know when you look at female podcasts i mean they just talk about sex all the time and i don't know if that's to i don't generally know why why that is and maybe somebody can explain it to me but because we don't talk about sex that much or to be more precise degenerate sexual practices which is generally what goes on in the sort of who's your daddy, podcast scene yeah i mean i got a i won't get i got an invite to have a guest on today who uh is basically uh how would you phrase it james a a anarcho stripper uh was it something, something like that um she does a lot of pelvis grinding dances and talks a lot about sex and tries to weave it into politics and it's like i just it's hard to be that sex obsessed as sort of women on online tend to be uh at least their shows and so uh that maybe is another reason but there could be many others that I'm not aware of.
[1:22:04] Should I read off the YouTube channel description?
[1:22:07] Yeah, don't give any details, but yeah, read off the description.
[1:22:10] No, no, no.
[1:22:11] Yeah.
[1:22:12] Yeah, such and so, it's a stand-up comedian and content creator most known for her viral videos where she interpretive dances her philosophies while pontificating, gyrating, and questioning culture. Quasi-radical, pseudo-philosophical, somewhat existential, and mostly funny. Being with this person is like micro-dosing shrooms, but then an hour later you start wondering, wait was that actually a macro dose.
[1:22:33] And there was something about pelvic gyrations in there too if i remember rightly yes.
[1:22:39] Uh public performance um i saw one pump your pelvis against the patriarchy.
[1:22:43] There you go there you go yes
[1:22:45] and i found her instagram
[1:22:46] to be uh yes i remember being in new york many years ago going to a night of comedy and it was just you know the woman the women talked about sex the gay guy talked about being gay the is uh the muslim guy talked about being Muslim and the Indian guy talked about being Indian. And then the white comedian came on, the white male comedian came on and just talked about life. And it's like the white people talk about life and everyone else talks about their identity, or at least white males, but seems to be a bit of a common phenomenon. So can a woman do this stuff? And of course there's some women who do, but can a woman talk about this stuff often online without bringing sexual matters into it? Not as common as I'd like.
[1:23:27] Yeah, and I also saw her Instagram. Oh, sorry, go ahead. You go ahead, Guy. Patrick.
[1:23:32] Oh, no, I was just saying thanks. Thanks for filling out, answering that question so broadly. Thanks.
[1:23:38] And so broadly, I get it. Also, James, it's not Guy, it's Guy. I think he's French. Guy. I'm just kidding. Sorry, go ahead.
[1:23:46] Guy? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:23:49] Guy fin con.
[1:23:50] Yeah.
[1:23:51] Go ahead.
[1:23:52] All right, all right. No, I was just going to say, I also stumbled across this person's Instagram. it's all feminist weird bad female comic like you just said uh vagina vagina vagina a bird hands crazy eyes reels it's just oh so i think it'll be a great show right.
[1:24:06] I'm tempted man i i did some shows with comedians in the past that were actually it was actually a lot of fun uh but all right any other last thoughts questions issues what's on your mindy mind good, all right i don't i don't want people to feel awkward oh god i've got to say something honestly it's totally fine this is like a spot show and i do appreciate people dropping by, all right well i'll stop here because i got a couple of things to do i got two new chapters recorded today i might want to take a wee bit of a rest before the show tonight, and have yourselves a lovely afternoon hopefully i'll see you guys tonight and we'll talk soon thanks again for all of your support lots of love from up here my friends i'll talk to you soon.
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