0:04 - Welcome to your Sunday morning live
3:18 - The Devil's Bargain of Hedonism
11:41 - Isolation and Its Consequences
18:22 - The Wealth of Welfare
25:08 - Morality and Quality of Life
29:12 - The Erosion of Male Protection
36:48 - The Interdependence of Men and Women
43:16 - Incentives and Cooperation
47:06 - Donor-Only Discussion and Future Topics
In this episode, we dive deep into the intricate intersections of reason, societal structures, and human relationships. I explore the philosophical implications of our modern political landscape, noting how the recent turn towards force and coercion undermines rational discourse. We reflect on the reasonable choice to step back from politics when force replaces dialogue, lamenting that the philosophers have been overshadowed by those who prioritize power over wisdom.
I share insights from my previous works, including my documentary, "Sunset in the Golden State," detailing the socio-political disasters facing California. I express a deep, yet somber satisfaction with many of my predictions coming true, emphasizing the importance of understanding these crises through an analytical lens rather than emotional responses. The challenges we face are predictable when we overlook the tenets of reason in favor of immediate gratification and hedonism, which divert us from moral absolutes.
The concept of welfare and its destructive consequences on societal relationships is examined thoroughly. I argue that the welfare state breeds dependency and erodes personal responsibility, leading to a collective psychological isolation that diminishes our ability to engage constructively with one another. The dynamic between altruism and moral decay becomes evident: while altruism is often lauded, when it manifests as pathological, it can have devastating effects on relationships and societal structures. I recount the historical perspective of welfare, arguing that today's reliance on handouts creates a dangerous addiction to irresponsibility, dismantling the fabric of community.
As we navigate these themes, I question the rationality of moral living in an age where immediate benefits often eclipse long-term ethics. I discuss how pursuing a moral life not only enhances the quality of interpersonal relationships but also fosters environments where meaningful connections can thrive. This exploration sheds light on the dependency culture perpetuated by government systems that ultimately harm societal cohesion.
The dialogue continues on the inherent nature of cooperation among individuals, especially women, in contrast to the lost art of interdependence fostered by declining welfare systems. I present the idea that when individuals are forced to rely on one another—absent the crutch of welfare—they tend to work together more harmoniously. Through engaging anecdotes and philosophical reflections, I articulate how incentives shape human behavior, urging a reframing of how we perceive altruism and community relationships.
Finally, I redirect the focus toward a hopeful approach encapsulated in my advocacy for peaceful parenting as a means to cultivate rational, responsible future generations. The pursuit of a rational society hinges on embracing reason and evidence—foundational tools for transformation in a world rapidly succumbing to emotional whims and ideological divides. Our conversation culminates by emphasizing the importance of surrounding ourselves with moral individuals, igniting a life filled with trust, cooperation, and mutual value exchange.
[0:00] Hello, hello, everybody. Oh, my gosh, it's the 8th of June, 2025.
[0:05] Welcome to your Sunday morning live. Let's go to the Church of Reason and kneel before Aristotle and the Syllichisms. So it's a great ska band from the 70s. I mean, the 470s BC. All right. So questions, comments, issues, challenges, any riots in your area? Well, I mean, this is why I'm out of politics, because things now are decided by force. Reason, like Elvis, has left the building. So there is to be no particular reasoning. At this point, it is simply being decided by matters of force. And that was fairly predictable. It was very predictable. And when the philosophers exit, right, when the philosophers exit, other people come in. Other people have to come in, and we don't have much to do with each other. I think it's a real shame. Thank you, Peter. That's a very lovely way to start off the live stream. Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
[1:09] And, of course, I did a whole documentary called Sunset in the Golden State. You can get it at freedomain.com slash documentaries. documentaries i did a whole documentary on all the disasters that were coming to california, and all the reasons why except one which i didn't put on film anyway so i hope you're doing well i hope you're having a lovely weekend i hope you are um as sad as i am to be right about everything, as sad as i am to be right about everything and yeah you should you should watch the documentary It's really, it's really quite good. Very good, in my humble opinion. I did three documentaries, Poland, Hong Kong, and California. And I'd like to do more, but unfortunately, the cost benefit, I was so heavily suppressed with regards to my Hong Kong documentary. Man, it was crazy, man. It was crazy. I mean, you could do a search for the exact title of like Hong Kong Fight for Freedom. You could do an exact search for the title of my documentary on youtube and it wouldn't show up, and i mean i i was so into the um protests i went with all the protesters and you know myself and the filmmaker we took facefuls of tear gas and were coughing up our lungs and guts uh just to cover this all and it was all very um.
[2:34] It was all very powerful, and that's the nature of the state. Yeah, and so, I mean, that's the problem with suppression, of course, is it changes your... Yeah, it even shows it on the book cover, The Art of the Argument. It's either reason or burning buildings. Yeah. What have I said from the very beginning? We either decide our issues on reason and evidence or force. There's nothing else. And the force can be sort of, you know, bullying and emotional abuse and all this kind of stuff. But that is still a fact. That's our only options.
[3:19] How would we convince most people to not take all of the short-term handouts?
[3:29] So the promotion of hedonism exists in order to displace morality, and i mean i've been thinking a lot about how i grew up and and the way that i grew up was i was offered all the hedonism in the known universe uh in in return for not focusing on any moral absolutes at all i mean that's that's the devil's bargain go go have fun go have fun go enjoy yourself don't you worry your pretty little head about moral absolutes that's a fantasy it's a morality is a press if you see and and feelings and dopamine and serotonin they're all liberating right do what that will shall be the whole of the law is the message of uh satan and i was offered all of that i was offered that i took it a little bit and then i was like this is shredding my soul brie on a cheese grater.
[4:28] Uh, so you, you can't convince people not to take shorthand, uh, benefits. Um, you can, you can convince them to not go in that direction, but once they're in that direction, right, it's the famous cry of the welfare mom, right? Who's going to feed my kids? Who's going to feed my kids, right? How are my kids going to eat?
[4:50] You know, or like, and I don't mean to laugh because, you know, it is human life and all of that. But if some of the USAID cuts, they say, oh, this girl in Africa died because it's like, okay, so our taxpayers in, say, America, are the, you know, eight remaining taxpayers in America, are they now foundationally responsible for every life in every country on the planet forever and ever? Our men like if you're just working and trying to provide for your own family and trying to save and taking care of your aging parents you are also now responsible for every life on the planet in other words the um if it's some some girl in africa dies because there's some cuts to american foreign aid or usa id spending and you know i don't really believe in much of it at all anymore it's basically just a way of laundering money and i talked about this gosh i mean the round trip of the foreign a dollar. I talked about this, I don't know, 17 years ago on the show, just about it. Foreign aid is just a way of getting money back into pockets in the host country. In this case, it would be America. So if a girl dies in Africa because of cuts in US spending, what does that mean? Well, of course, to the sentimental and to the emotional, it's like, oh, we should take care of everyone.
[6:14] But that's an addiction, right? People don't categorize pathological altruism as the most dangerous addiction, but it sure as fuck is.
[6:25] You know, how many men have ended up in jail or suicidal or they have taken an alternate path to the future called being underground? How many men have had their lives destroyed because they want to save some woman.
[6:50] Although Captain Save-A-Ho is the coarse phrase for it, right? How many men have had their lives destroyed? How many women have had their lives destroyed because they can fix the drug addict, the alcoholic, the violent guy, the abuser, or whatever, right? The most dangerous addiction in the world, bar none, is pathological altruism. Which addicts put immediate emotional satisfaction above long-term survival now the problem of course that's a heroin addict puts his own immediate emotional satisfaction for reasons of child abuse as dr gabber mate has gone into in great detail which i sympathize with but we still have to deal with people as adults so at least the heroin addict destroys only himself and those around you. The pathological altruist combined with the infinite power of the state destroys entire civilizations.
[7:49] I mean, when I meet someone who doesn't have a grim sense of facts and reality, you know, well, if someone dies because someone else doesn't spend money, well, what is the local African government's responsibility? What are the local leaders' responsibility? What is the woman's responsibility? What is the family's responsibility? Apparently, it doesn't exist at all. It does not exist at all. They are, in the view, in this mindset, not that they are, but they are in this mindset, you know, fools who can't manage their own affairs and therefore, like children, need to be given, right? And this is what, this is the way that you get the largely female nurturing side, which is beautiful for children and terrifying in politics.
[8:41] You just, bad things happen. If someone else doesn't give people resources, bad things happen. Well, that's women. They usually, they didn't evolve to give resources directly themselves, right? Sustainable resources. They evolved to nag men into giving resources. And so that's what happens with women. Voting and the state so so with regards like so some woman's got three kids by three different men what's she going to do about the welfare state now if the welfare state and it will mathematically that which cannot continue will not continue so the welfare state will absolutely completely and totally collapse like everybody fix that in your mind the the current system is being detonated uh it is not it is not anything of its own accord right current system is being detonated by very specific choices which we've gone over a million times so uh when the money runs out uh the the women and in particular the children will be happier right so how do women with a bunch of kids and no husband how do they um how do they take care of their kids well they.
[9:47] Either find a guy who's willing to pay or which is much more likely they all get together with a bunch of other women who also have a bunch of kids and no husbands and they all take care of each other's kids and then they all work and they all produce things and they they live in a collective and they're not as isolated anymore the welfare state breeds intergalactic isolation you ever get this sort of feeling i think um william shantner talked about this when he went into space just how terrifying space is like imagine you know you're halfway to mars and you would just get this freaky sense of just how far away you were from humanity as a whole like holy crap it would be so weird and eerie if you've ever been i mean i i got this feeling sometimes when i was working in the bush up north which is actually a lot less fun than it sounds but when i was working in the deep woods up by nakina when the you know just shortly before the trees start to thin out because there's not enough summer and i just i'd be deep out in their bush and i'd be like i am so far away from civilization it's insane you know they always put these science fiction stories the outer rim you know the lawless rim the the lawless outer rim the outer planets the outer uh arm of the galaxy or whatever this is all the um.
[11:02] Oh the nathan fillion sci-fi stuff uh and all of that the firefly stuff right all out there there's no rules and right this the edge of civilization stuff and it's it's even more terrifying in the welfare state and i know this from my own mother who's you know been on the welfare state for decades and has no particular society, no particular community. Nobody cares about her. And to be alone is to go slowly mad and sometimes not even slowly. Sanity requires constant feedback. Sanity requires constant feedback.
[11:41] You need people. Everybody, we all have our crazy thoughts right we all have our deranged crazy thoughts and and our sane and rational ones and we need people's continual feedback in order to not go crazy to not follow that rabbit down the hole and fall forever.
[12:03] So, there's nobody more isolated than the welfare mom in the big city. Women will do what they have always done, find some guys and offer sex for money and resources. No, it's not going to work anymore. No, that shit doesn't work really anymore. Not for, I mean, for some women, right? For the top 5% of attractive women, sure. But men men have meeting spaces where they exchange information and men are less likely to date single moms anymore and give them a bunch of resources so it would be absolutely healthier for everyone like this woman says rather sorry someone says rather sarcastically and i understand that he says western women working cooperative together is that a joke, Well, have you ever heard of the Mennonites or the Amish or anything like that? Women, Western women, work together beautifully. They just have, you see, most people respond to incentives, not ideals. This is, you got to grind this into your bones and hopefully you can get to that answer.
[13:12] A whole lot faster than I did for, I had very little excuse, but it's still, I resisted it forever. Almost everyone responds to incentives, not ideals. We know this from the Milgram experiment. We know this from the experiment where somebody in a lab coat basically encourages people to continue the experiment, and over two-thirds of people will just kill people because they're told to. Like, they respond to incentives. Well, I want the approval of the guy in the lab coat, and I don't want to say no. And they're, you know, it's not human nature. We're just, we're broken. We're broken. Like, you know, we're broken like those flimsy boards at a kid's karate competition. We're broken by the state. We're broken by education. Sometimes are broken by religion into just being malleable compliant foot soldiers and.
[13:58] Placid accepting factory workers so at least two-thirds and that's just at a then that's with regards to like putting people 400 volts through people and potentially killing them at least that's how the experiment was set up so we know that the vast majority of people respond to incentives, not to ideals. Well, they'll talk about ideals. Ideals are fun to talk about. They're fun to reason about and think about, but not to actually do. You know, like it's fun to read a diet book, and everyone's had that experience when you want to lose weight. Ah, this is a cool diet book, man. I watched this video about a guy who lives on juice, and it's great. And you know, and then it's fun to read the diet book. Like it's fun to read or watch workout videos. It's not so much fun to actually diet and then really go and work out hard. So women work together beautifully and.
[14:50] If it's in their best interest, as most people, at least in the current system, the current mindset, the current broken human spirit, they do what they're incentivized to do. Women don't have to work together. Women can be real witches with a capital B to each other because they can always run to the government for money. Asking people to be moral when there's a welfare state is like demanding, an intense self-sacrificial work ethic from the privileged son and daughters, sons and daughters of almost infinitely wealthy people.
[15:33] So women don't need each other so they can be bitches to each other. They don't have to cooperate. They can have their petty resentments. They don't have to get over anything. I mean, if there are two women, right, they live next door to each other, and let's say there's no welfare state, and they both require each other to watch their kids when they go out or go to work or whatever, right? Two single moms live next to each other, they got a couple of kids each, and they completely rely on each other. There's nobody else to watch their kids. There's no welfare state. There's no daycare that's free. There's no like nannies that are free. There's no subsidies. They desperately, they need each other. Okay, are they going to, they can't afford to get into some stupid spat where they just walk away forever most human relationships are based upon mutual dependence and productivity mutual value the exchange of mutual value the welfare state eliminates all of that all of it and and like you got to understand we we look at people on the welfare state as poor absolutely absolutely wrong and the only way to think of that is to not know about human history? Would you rather be the king of France in the 15th century, or would you rather be on welfare in the 21st century? I mean, it's not even close.
[16:55] It's not even close. I mean, so the people on welfare in the 21st century, and really, since the welfare state was established for old people in the 30s, for everyone else in the 60s, they are the recipients of the greatest wealth in human history, bar, you know, like, they're wealthier than 99.99999% of human history.
[17:29] So, those two women who really need each other, they will find a way to resolve their conflicts. They'll have their conflicts, but they're like, well, we need each other, so we'll find out a way to resolve our conflicts. But if they're all on welfare and they don't need each other, they can have all of the petty resentments and explosions and anger and self-righteousness and so on, right? Self-righteousness, which is like, I'm right just because of me and I don't need to conform to anyone or anything. that's all driven by independence. It's that old country song, take this job and shove it. I ain't working here no more. My woman done left and took all the reasons I'd been working for. If you win the lottery, what happens to your work ethic? Do you need your boss? Will you resolve things with your boss? Will you make sure your boss is happy if you just won $20 million in the lottery? Well, no.
[18:23] And the welfare state historically is like $50 million, because you have modern medicine, modern science, modern comforts, modern conveniences, modern money, I mean, just crazy, right?
[18:42] So people on welfare historically are the wealthiest people, virtually the wealthiest people in human history, and they have won the absolute lottery. And so when you think of people on welfare, just think of people who have won the lottery. How entitled are they? How arrogant are they? How hardworking are they? So once they're in there, right, it's like trying to, you can say to someone, don't play the lottery, right? Lottery is a tax on mathematical illiteracy. So you can say to people don't play the lottery you're going to lose your money and also it's going to erode your work ethic because you're going to have this fantasy of money that's going to erode your work ethic and it's going to cost you way more right so you can say to people don't don't play the lottery what you can't do is say to people who just won 20 million dollars in the lottery don't take the money and we look again we look upon people on the in the welfare state And I grew up among welfare families and all of that. It's super comfortable. Super comfortable.
[19:45] So they are just about the wealthiest people around. And you have to look at people on the welfare state. And we're talking also about the wealthy have their own welfare state and so on. So tax considerations and military-industrial complex and access to politicians. So the rich have their own welfare. But we're just talking about the poor. the poor have won the lottery the the poor in the west have won the lottery right i mean somebody who goes from the middle east to say a european welfare state makes 30 times his income without having to work right that's winning the lottery right that's winning that's winning the lottery that's going from making 20 bucks an hour to 600 bucks an hour you don't think you'd make a big journey for that and you don't have to work so yeah it's uh it's wild so you you can't talk people out of their benefits. They just wait for the collapse, but you can talk to people about not getting into those situations to begin with.
[20:43] All right, let's see here. You argue that people disbelieving in UPB does not free them from their conscience. A Christian can argue that disbelieving God does not free them from God's judgment. Right, but UPB is proven and God is not, so it's a little, All right. Have reason and evidence ever been a realistic option on earth? Aren't there way too many idiots out there?
[21:14] So, sorry, that's just not helpful. That's not helpful. And it's not smart. And you're a smart guy. I mean, I know you've been here before. So, you know, I expect you to do better, right?
[21:30] Guess what? everything that's new never existed before this podcast did not exist before i did the podcast um the in the um internal combustion engine did not exist until it was invented neither did the steam train or the airplane right so everything that's new and ever existed before so if you're saying well come on man you can't build an airplane there's never been one in human history you can't build an internal combustion engine there's no has there ever been one in human Who cares? Who cares what the fuck happened in the past? What matters is the future. Now, I get there's not a magic wand that is going to make everyone rational because irrationality is so satisfying to people and is so well funded by the state because the state wants people to be irrational. So it stays dependent on the state. So I have a whole plan, which is peaceful parenting, which I've been working on for many years. And I did the numbers between a billion and a billion and a half fewer assaults on children have occurred as the result of what it is that I do. So what I'm doing is, you know, peaceful parenting will raise rational children. I mean, not 100%, but it's a lot better than what it is right now. So peaceful parenting raises rational and empirical children because you reason, you teach the kids the language of reason rather than a force. So that's what I'm doing. And what you're doing is you're just saying, yeah, well, it hasn't happened before, so it's not going to happen. It's like, okay, well.
[22:57] Then those of us who are getting shit done will get shit done. And you will just say, oh, it's not possible because it didn't exist before, man. Okay, thank you for your contribution. We're just going to ignore you. I mean, people who want to get stuff, like people who are actually getting stuff done, the people who are just kind of nipping and snapping and, right, for every person who's in the arena getting things done, there's all the people in the crowd saying how they should do it differently and better or it's not going to work. Right. So don't be one of these people who just tells people things aren't going to work. Be one of these people who get things to work. Be one of those people. Because the problem is you just end up with a bunch of other whiners and complainers and naggers. I don't know why you'd want that. Why wouldn't you want to be around people who are getting stuff done? I'm getting an enormous amount done. I'm very pleased with it. All right.
[23:50] Man, you want to start your own business? Well, that business has never existed before in human history. so it's not going to happen. It's like, okay, I guess I'll go just start the business and stay away from you because you're just dragging people down, right? And I don't want you to, I'm not trying to nag at you, I'm just saying I don't want you to be in that situation where people don't want to be around you because you're just kind of negative and it's sort of pointless, right? All right. I really appreciate the answer right in alignment with my thinking on refusing short-term handouts. As a corollary, how can we convince people that a moral life really does end better? I'm having trouble forming up this second question. Apologies if it is not yet clear. Okay, let me just skip down a bit, see if he made it clearer. No, he went on to another topic. How can we convince people that a moral life really does end better. What do you mean by end better? Do you mean on your deathbed? Lots of moral people have a deathbed that's quite imminent rather than a long way down the road. Good men are slaughtered by like like rabid dogs in their 20s and 30s and evil people live to a creaky Peter Cushing style old age, right?
[25:09] Not that he was evil, but the characters were pretty old.
[25:18] So, I'm not sure what you mean by end better.
[25:26] You know, there's an old saying from Churchill, he says, democracy is the worst system of government except for all the others that have been tried from time to time. And maybe Maybe that's true. I mean, no government is better than government because reason and peace is better than force and coercion and enslavement. So a moral life really does end better. Well, if you live a moral life, you're surrounded by moral people. That is going to happen, right? If you live a moral life, you will, and it may be a grueling process. It sure as hell was for me. But if you live a moral life, you will be surrounded by moral people. And don't you want to live around honest people who have your back rather than people who lie and cheat and prevaricate and betray? Like, don't you want that? Why wouldn't you want to be around good people? Why wouldn't you want to be around people you don't have to lie to why don't you want to be around people you can trust you can trust you know i hear about these relationships where like i'm going to need the password to your phone to make sure you're not cheating you know, it's just awful what a horrible wretched terrible existence.
[26:40] Because you know bad people are constantly complaining about other bad people wouldn't it be nice wouldn't it be lovely to live in a world to live in a social world where you didn't have to complain about anyone when was the last time you heard me complain about my wife i praise her from head to toe which admittedly is not a great distance because she's greek but um, you have more fun around moral people you have more relaxation around moral people you have more trust around moral people you make more money often around moral people because you don't have all the overhead of people ripping you off and betraying you from time to time or continually. You have less moral upset and emotional upset around moral people because they're not putting you down or manipulating you. Like, why wouldn't you want to be around good people? But the price of being around good people is being a good person. That's why I'm constantly telling people, don't be altruistic in that way. Don't be pathologically altruistic. Don't trust people who are untrustworthy. Don't give honesty to people who are liars. Morality is a relationship. Shun evil, embrace virtue.
[27:49] I mean, of course, evil people will tell good people that the good people absolutely need to provide resources to the evil people out of abstract blah, blah, blah, blah, right? No, it's just predation. It's just exploitation. More money and resources are stolen, through language than guns.
[28:14] So the price of being around good people is being a good person and the quality of life. I've been around good and bad people over the course of my life, man. And it's probably about equal now in terms of my adulthood. And being around good people, I can't honestly remember a friend or family member. I can't remember the last time I had any kind of significant conflict. We just get together. We have chats. We enjoy each other's company. There's a lot of jokes. And it's a great deal of fun. And I can't remember the last conflict I had with my wife. It's been years. I mean, honestly, I... Isn't that better? I mean, isn't it better to have fun with and get along with people than to fight and fear betrayal all the time? Ew, gross. All right.
[29:12] Somebody says, i can talk of men who get involved in protecting a woman in public from a man but it's her boyfriend and then she and her friends turn on him as the outsider he ends up fleeing into a building to save his life yeah yeah i mean it's a real shame that uh male protection has vanished like the me too thing was was uh an antinatalist thing it was an antinatalist campaign to reduce the population of people with a conscience because the me too thing was oh well i i mean i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to bother a woman in public i don't want to intrude i don't want to right so those are sensitive men with a conscience right the other men don't care so it's just a way of further eradicating the conscience from society as a whole all right.
[30:05] Housing stuff yeah it's a bit too obvious for words how do you explain the groupie phenomenon in female nature a normal woman will act like a complete whore around rock stars sports players and other celebrities oh the groupie i thought you meant like that they're high they score higher in the trait agreeableness groupie phenomenon in female nature well so in the past right in the west in the past if a woman got pregnant by a guy he'd be forced to marry her so throwing yourself at a man with a huge amount of resources was a pretty great way for a woman to end up with a lot of resources and just because that doesn't happen in society anymore and what was it uh magic no will chamberlain slept with these claims that with 10 000 women so each one of those 10 000 women were like okay if i can get this guy to have sex with me and i get pregnant society will force him to marry me and I'll end up with millions of dollars, right? Now you can say, well, that's not rational, but we're talking about instinctual discipline urges that evolved over millions of years, right? So that's why.
[31:15] If I heard that right, moral life doesn't sell in a welfare state. Wow, thanks for that connection. Yeah. So, I mean, the welfare state is taking money from the responsible and giving money to the irresponsible. Whatever you tax diminishes, whatever you subsidize, you get more of. So you tax productivity, you get less productivity, you subsidize the responsibility you get impulsive irresponsible people. So with a decent intellect and welfare money, you can live an incredibly comfortable life. Oh yeah. I mean, it does nort your conscience not being productive, but all right. All right. Stef, I have a question related to women. I was in a group of women and saw this said by the owner of the group. Context, women complains. Woman complains about the Bible focusing exclusively on Jesus' paternal lineage instead of maternal. She said this disgusts her about the Bible.
[32:20] Can I even see that? I might need to save this and zoom it in a little. That's a kind of faded, man. That's kind of faded. I'm going to tell you how it's going to be. You're going to give your sweet love to me. All right. Uh, let's see here. Most of us know that the feminine has been erased and crave space to be made for her. What? Most of us know that the feminine... Stop telling me I want to edit my images. Okay. Most of us know that the feminine has been erased and crave space to be made for her. Okay, that's... What is she having, the stroke?
[33:03] It's important for us to face our wounds and triggers and really explore why this brings up hatred or disgust for the systems in place. Men get honor or recognition because women have the power. Honor does not equal power. Because of biology, women have a desire ability factor. Men desire us more than we desire them. Men need us, especially our bodies, more than we need them. We have always had the power, which is why femininity is so targeted. The great lie was that we need the honor to have the power. It led us to handing over our power to get the honor. I don't know. Portrait. This is just word salad. It yeah this is this is a woman who's who's taking her emotional issues and confusions and trying to make them into some abstract argument which doesn't work very well as a whole and in particular for for women and and i say this as a man who's been influenced by female thinkers enormously so uh what does she say here women have the power because of violence so so because men have a higher sex drive than women often, although I don't think that's true as a whole, but this is the general thought. Men desire us more than we desire them. Men need us, especially our bodies, more than we need them. Oh, is that right, honey? Okay. Okay, got it. So what you should do is you should go back to the caveman days and try and survive without a man. Just, you know, try and survive without a man.
[34:28] You don't need a man to build your hut. You don't need a man to build your fences. You don't need a man to wrestle the pigs. You don't need a man to protect you. You don't need a man to hunt you can just do it all on your own all on your own come on women have this belief that they don't need men because what they take from men has now been automated and coerced right so um women believe that they don't need men because they run to the government the government takes largely for men and gives largely to women and say well we don't need men it's like well then you should reject tax you should reject the welfare state and all other forms of government subsidies because they're largely funded by men. So anyway. All right. Thank you, Frank. I appreciate your tip. FreeDomain.com slash donate to help out the show. Very much appreciated. All right. You're twice more likely to get hit by a bus on the way to buy a lottery ticket than to win.
[35:26] All right. I was wondering your take on this. My husband and I broke it down, but I was wondering if you would pick up something we missed. Anyway, I left that group because the owner's sentiments felt icky.
[35:37] Yeah, I mean, when people, when women say, I don't need men, I mean, you only exist because of men, right? Because the sperm went into an egg, right? And sperm comes from the men. So you only exist because of men. Women who say they don't need men while driving on roads. Built almost exclusively by men and they would be almost exclusively by men if it wasn't for all of these rules that you have to hire a whole bunch of people to hold the stop sign but, yeah oh we don't need men uh which they type on the phone built and designed by men on the internet built and maintained by men and invented by men and they drive on their roads on the cars invented by men and they go into the buildings maintained and built by men to the comfortable office desk built by men and the air conditioning system built and run by men. I mean, it's just, it's madness. It is a foundational lack of gratitude and a surrender to rank hate-filled ideology. We need women. Women need men. We have evolved that way. We got to the top, apex predators.
[36:48] We got to the top of the food chain because men and women complement each other perfectly.
[36:57] Somebody says sounds like Stef is saying the environmental necessity will force people women to get along which seems historically false i'm sorry it's the same guy you just you don't know how to add things to an intellectual so sounds like okay i just break it down like this you gotta you gotta just work harder to contribute like this is a high level discussion this is a high discussion and you don't let a guy into the orchestra who's just learning how to play the kazoo, right? So I'm saying this, you're a very smart guy, great language skills, but you need to up your game. Sounds like, okay, that's called a straw man, right? You need to quote back what I said and deal with that. Sounds like Stef is saying the environmental necessity will force people to get along. Okay, did I ever say force? I gave you the example of the two women with children who rely upon each other for childcare, right? Woman A gives her kids to woman B when woman A is busy and vice versa, right? Now, if there's no welfare state and they really need each other to take care of each other's children, they're going to work harder to get along. Did I ever say anything about force? Did I ever say anything about anyone beating someone up or threatening them or pulling a gun? Did I ever say anything about force? Nope. So you're inserting something. When I'm talking about incentives, people have a greater incentive to get along when they really need each other and they won't retreat into this petty superiority that destroys relationships when they don't need each other.
[38:21] And I gave the example, if you won $20 million in the lottery, which is kind of the historical equivalent of the welfare state, if you won $20 million in the lottery, would you be as concerned about your boss being happy? No. Would you work as hard to make your boss happy and to do a great job? No. So, yeah, I mean, you can say, well, somebody would who's a workaholic or OCD. Okay, don't care. Don't care. Don't care. I mean this is as useful as if you know 50 years ago i said uh boy i don't think i could have but so 50 years ago if i'd have said we need to focus on reducing lung cancer and the vast majority of people who get lung cancer get it from smoking or asbestos or whatever right okay so you say well but but but you know half a percentage of people uh they get lung cancer uh without exposure to tobacco smoke or to asbestos.
[39:18] You deal with the majority, right? I mean, it's like saying, well, I can't open a steak restaurant because half a percentage of people in the neighborhood are vegans. Okay, let somebody else open the restaurant. So you straw manned and then you straw manned again, right? Sounds like, right, if you're not going to quote me back or really work to understand what it is that I'm saying. You're just typing stuff, trying to sound smart. And you are smart. That's the frustrating thing. You don't need to fake it. You are smart. You've got to listen. If you want to address a high-level discussion, you need to understand the arguments and not just strawman yourself, which seems historically false without making an argument, unless you did. Unless you did. Let's see here. Okay, seems historically false. I don't know what that exactly means. And of course, okay, so it's all this...
[40:19] He says, World War II, women were cooperative slash capable, but came from that cultural slash functioning culture. Hard times don't improve shitty people. It usually gets them dead. World War II women were cooperative slash capable. Like, do you know the Rosie the Riveter? Like, you know, we can do it. The Rosie the Riveter woman. She quit after a day, by the way. World War II women were cooperative slash capable.
[40:49] Well uh there was a necessity there so you actually you're actually serving my argument rather than yours right so i'm saying when people really need each other they tend to work together better sure and so in world war ii women were being bombed uh certainly in in go watch mrs minifer right um women were were being bombed and their husbands were taken away and they desperately needed each other uh in order for their culture to survive as they were told and to some degree that was true right so well and women women work women work well together as do men when there's a necessity right i mean you can go and watch bill bear grills is the island the male and the female one are quite interesting right so some of the men they just fight and they're petty and they don't get along and then they just leave the island what if you can't leave the island, right? Have you never been in a situation with a bunch of people around when there's a sudden emergency? Everybody just pulls together and differences are forgotten and everyone works out, right? So, all right.
[41:58] Living a moral life attracts moral people, creating a higher quality of life yes yes all right, it's crazy i saw a documentary says someone on a famous reggaeton singer said i remember when we used to sit in the government yard in trench town the great song the live version is better than the and it's not no woman no cry it doesn't mean if you have no woman you won't cry it means, no woman don't cry okay don't cry um he was the famous reggaeton singer and he was mobbed by very attractive women begging give me a baby in front of the singer's wife yeah for sure you got a baby get the resources right uh women run the world low-key nope no the state runs the world and women out vote, man. It's artificial. It's artificial.
[43:03] In a recent call-in, the caller mentioned behaving badly and cheating to get the other to break up with him. I know this thinking is fairly common, but don't understand why. Is it a fear of confrontation, less guilt to carry, or something else? Yeah, it could be a fear of confrontation.
[43:17] It could also be that, and maybe the feeling is that if the woman hates you, is really angry at you, and is disappointed and bitter and just wants to get away from you, that you won't face anything particularly difficult or perhaps legal with accusations or something like that.
[43:36] Thank you for the donation at freedomain.com slash donate. I appreciate that. You know what, Stef? Keep trying, boomer. Oh, this is the same guy. Okay, that's fine.
[43:56] I'm nice to people the first time I meet them, and after that, I treat them as they treat me. So I'm trying to be encouraging. I praised your intelligence and your language skills and tried to get you to up your game. You're coming back with insults, so get lost. You're dead to me. Oh, he wrote, you said, removing the welfare state, women will get along. Play semantics if you want, but my point was legit. Removing the welfare state, women will get along. uh it certainly wasn't that simple i said people respond to incentives if people need each other they're more likely to get along and they're more likely to work things out right but anyway uh so i tried to be uh i tried to be nice and encouraging and to tell you where you went wrong and and praised your intelligence and language skills you come back with insults so um yeah i mean without an apology i'm going to completely ignore everything you say from here on in all right, james says 0.5 vegans in the 8.5 vegans in the neighborhood would be an incentive for me to open a steakhouse. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I love to hear the singing voice coming back. Yes. Yes. It's been months, man. It's been months. But you know what the nice thing is, is that because it's been months, my voice is a little fresh. Fresh. Exciting. Just got here. What are we talking about?
[45:13] Hey, if you could just stop the movie again, man. Do you go to movies? Do you go to movies 20 minutes late, lean over to the people next to you who you don't know and say, sorry, what's happened so far who's this why is he fighting with that like good lord entitled or what, the welfare state of yesteryear was called marriage um no uh no because the welfare state is coercive and marriage is not so um it's like saying that the uh the the lovemaking of yesteryear was called rape it's like no there's a totally opposite categories well pardon me lol no it's It's just funny. I mean, it's just kind of funny, people coming in and saying, well, I'm 47 minutes late to the live stream. What's going on? And it's like, it's a little rude. I'd be honest with you. It's a little rude because it's kind of distracting for the people who are here on time. So, sorry, you're still dead to me. I'm still not reading or processing anything that you're saying. So, you can type if you want. But without an apology, you're dead to me. Because I didn't insult you. And you insulted me. So, don't care what you say. I don't care what you say. All right.
[46:27] We're going to do, you know what, we're going to do a little bit more. I have the Jordan Peterson thing queued up. And I've really been enjoying going through that. But I mean, yes and no. It's interesting, but it's also kind of painful. So, but what we're going to do is we're going to go. Yeah, what did I miss? Can I have some of your popcorn?
[46:47] All right. Vegan protest, best response is men start up barbecue across the road and start serving hot dogs and burgers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[47:06] Um all right um so yeah i think i'm gonna go donor only and um we can talk spicy stuff if you like so we're gonna go donor only and if you want to join in that part of the conversation you can just go to um fdrurl.com slash locals and you can join in there uh this is going to be recorded for local for donors it's going to only go to donors so we're going to go there in a moment or two and i really do thank you for your support freedom.com slash donate if you want to help out the show would very much appreciate it and um i really um i gotta tell you this new book is so good it's so good man i've never had characters this vivid and i've had some pretty vivid characters in the past fredomain.locals.com sure sure uh yes but if you go to fdrurl.com slash locals you can try um being a subscriber for a month for free cancel anytime you want i really can't do better than that we give all the benefits and bonuses and you can cancel if you don't find them to be of value so all right let me just get back to here and we're going to go to.
[48:18] Locals supporters only and update the stream and we got 30 seconds to go over there and i really do thank everyone and um yeah if people want we can talk spicy i can read some of the new book, whatever is on your minds and thoughts i have certainly been revisiting and my daughter has made a fantastic case for going back on twitter which i talked about in the show before and uh, i do like to listen to really good arguments and she just made a killer argument and i'm not saying other people haven't maybe she just because she's my daughter it hit a stronger or whatever but she He made a very excellent case for going back on Twitter, which I will talk about. All right.
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