0:00 - Welcome to the Podcast
0:54 - The Next Generation's Cynicism
2:22 - The Role of Testosterone in Modern Life
4:02 - Contact Sports vs. Non-Contact Sports
8:36 - The Fear of Divorce
13:09 - Women in Society Today
20:31 - Therapy and Personal Growth
23:36 - Modern Men's Problems
25:07 - Morals vs. Virtue
25:32 - Expressing Anger in Public
27:51 - Meetup and Community Engagement
33:53 - Concluding Thoughts and Recommendations
In this episode, we dive into a candid conversation centered on the complexities and challenges facing modern masculinity and relationships. I explore the implications of various societal pressures on men's mental health, such as the pervasive influence of pornography and the impact of contemporary movements that have shifted traditional gender dynamics. We discuss how these factors create a sense of confusion and fear surrounding relationships, leading to increased isolation among men.
As the dialogue unfolds, we touch on the attitudes of younger generations towards authority and morality. I highlight the dangerous blend of cynicism and nihilism amongst the youth, a situation that can undermine foundational values such as truth and virtue. Drawing parallels with literary references, I elucidate the risks associated with pervasive doubt that can hinder the development of a solid moral framework.
We also examine the cultural shift in how men interact with women, acknowledging the hesitance many feel due to the fear of misrepresentation and potential fallout. This hesitancy can be detrimental, especially considering the innate biological drives and societal roles that have historically defined masculinity. Emphasizing the importance of understanding one's own values and virtues, I offer insights into maintaining strong, committed relationships despite these challenges.
The conversation transitions into practical advice on overcoming the pitfalls presented by our modern landscape, such as dysfunctional relationships and the fears surrounding divorce. Through thoughtful discourse and examples from personal experiences, I argue that choosing a partner with a strong moral character and engaging in meaningful dialogue during the dating process can significantly enhance relationship outcomes.
Additionally, we navigate the complexities posed by social structures and current cultural movements that seem to sideline or undermine the male experience. I discuss how this has manifested in environments like workplaces and educational institutions, often making them less accommodating for men, which can lead to feelings of disenfranchisement.
As the episode concludes, I encourage listeners to reflect on their own experiences and consider the choices they make in the context of relationships and cultural dynamics. Through engaging with these topics, I aim to provide a framework for understanding the nuances of masculinity today and empower men to cultivate strong, meaningful connections while navigating societal expectations.
[0:00] All right. So we're streaming to local supporters only. Thank you, of course, for your support. I really, really do appreciate that. And we can get spicy if you want. We can get spicy if you want. So please feel free to tell me how I can best serve your spiciness. Worth the sub. Five stars would recommend. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, saying, well, you know, watching pornography, boy, that replaces a wife and family and being a patriarch and having grandkids. And, I mean, come on, that's just really, really sad. A woman also opens a cold beer for you, priceless. Alcohol is not great for a T-level season, right?
[0:54] No mention of kids. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. So, somebody asked me what I think of millennials and the next generations. So, the next generation, it's full of a seeming liberty that is incredibly dangerous. So, the next generation is very, very cynical to the point of nihilism. So, the problem with nihilists is when they are skeptical of things that you're also skeptical of, they seem great. I mean, there's a bunch of teachers posting on social media about how they despair for the next generation because they don't believe in this and they don't believe in that. And if it's things that you happen to not believe in, you think, oh, that's great. Wow. Cool. But on the other hand, if it is things like truth, morality, virtue, goodness, reality, objectivity, and values, well, that's a big problem. Just read Turgenev's Fathers and Sons and look at the character Bazarov. Who is a pro-science, skeptical of religion, skeptical of the social order, materialistic, objectivistic, but a nihilist. He believes neither in God nor virtue.
[2:22] So, the Gen A in particular, they're called the brain rot, you know, the skibbity toilet generation, generation are very cynical, but nihilistic. And that's a big danger. The big danger. The risk of avoiding women is staying terminally online as some men only see the horrible fails of men talking to the worst women watching too much of these, of these thought podcasts can make this even worse. Yeah, for sure. Love the topic. But you think you can earn healthy video game playing time by playing strenuous sports. I don't know, but I mean, And sports are great. Yeah, sports are great. I believe that the current movements last 15 years, such as the hashtag MeToo, and the claim of toxic masculinity has ultimately lowered testosterone. Women have used these movements to gather attention via social media. Men have responded by not approaching them for fear of being caught in the he's a witch net. With the physical standoff, the biological results is less need for testosterone.
[3:22] But I think also testosterone is like a muscle. So if you fail and quail and punk out before obstacles, as we all do, right? I'm not perfect this way either. But if I punk out before an obstacle, like if I don't work out, my muscles get weaker. And if I work out, my muscles get stronger. And if I live in a cowardly fashion, I think, I don't know, but I think it would have some effect on my testosterone. If I overcome obstacles and if I achieve things that are difficult, then I believe that my T levels would rise. Does the StephBot AI intentionally not answer questions about race? I think we did program that in for reasons that are too obvious to talk about.
[4:02] All right. Porn and fatalism play parts in not dating. Free domain is the spice of life. Yeah, yeah. Do you think contact sports are preferable to non-contact sports for relieving stress? I play non-contact sport that is very strenuous. I hope that's good enough. I'm not a huge fan of contact sports. I'm really not. And I've played my share of contact. I played rugby as a kid and all of that. And I've played some of the semi-contact sports, such as soccer, where you can certainly collide and you can be pretty aggressive in that sport. I don't particularly like contact sports because of the 10%. Because of the 10%. So the problem with contact sports is the psychos. Like the psychos.
[4:49] Because you don't know. I mean, unless you're playing with people you've known for a long time.
[4:57] If you've played with people for a long time, you know them, but the problem with contact sports is the psychos, like the people who just go all Patrick Bateman on your ass, and that can be very dangerous. So contact sports were supposed to be among warriors and people who trained to manage their aggression and so on, so just playing pick-up contact sports is kind of... I'm not a big fan, because you just never know when you're just going to get that psycho who's just going to wail on you for no particular reason, right? That's awesome.
[5:29] When it comes to the health of our cultures, it's hard to distinguish the symptoms from the causes. Does this conflation even matter when it always comes down to the cure being the pursuit of virtue? You have the Nirvana millennials and then you have Harry Potter millennials. That's right. What is it they say? Die Hard is a Harry Potter movie because it's someone running around a tower escaping Alan Rickman for two hours. It's pretty funny. We are the free domain donors class. Yeah, that's right. Porn is the junk food of sexuality. People choose to live off fast food all the time. It can feel good in the moment, horrible in the long run. Yeah, I think that's true. I collided once in soccer. Couldn't breathe for like a minute. It was horrible. Who programmed StephBot AI? That's not a question that makes any sense. AIs aren't programmed in that way. So you just have to watch my presentation, The Truth About AI, and you'll understand what that means. Tips, of course, still welcome, enormously and gratefully and humbly accepted. And I'm, of course, really happy to talk about whatever is the most exciting and works for you.
[6:53] So you can type whatever questions you want. I certainly have topics, but let's chat with you. Yeah, when playing soccer as a kid, once every couple of games, there would be a guy literally just kicking others. Yeah. I worked with a guy when I was working up north. He would get so frustrated if we, because, you know, going through the brush, if you've never really gone deep nature, it's kind of hard to understand. So sorry for sounding annoying, but most times you go into nature, you're following a path, right? And things are relatively clear. Maybe you've got to duck once in a while or climb over something. But most times you're in nature, you're following a path. When you're in deep bush, I think, is that Kate Bush's sister? I don't have that right. Maybe twin. When you're in deep bush, Heathcliff, then it's incredibly tangly. I mean, I loved it myself. I had a machete. I had an axe. I'm hacking. And I mean, you know, pretending that they're orcs, you know, it was great fun in a lot of ways, but it can be really frustrating because the way that you stake out claims in Canada is you go one kilometer in a square and you hammer these metal plates to trees and then you have mineral rights for a certain amount of time.
[8:11] So, he would get so frustrated when we would have to deviate because we couldn't get through something, he would grab his shovel and just hurl it through the trees, screaming with rage. And I'm like, okay, happy to be trapped in a tent with you. Fortunately, he didn't last for very long.
[8:36] I think divorce court has scared the pants on a lot of men.
[8:44] No, no, no, no.
[8:50] No, because it's actually very easy to not get divorced. This, oh, 50-50 chance. It's bullshit. It's actually very easy to not get divorced. You choose a woman of moral character, who's not slapped around, who believes in marriage, and commits to working things through. You do a couple of dress rehearsals over the course of dating to see how you handle conflicts and disagreements. I had absolutely zero doubt going into my marriage that my marriage was going to work out. I had no doubt whatsoever. And I remember people are like, oh, just wait till she turns on you. And it's like, look, I mean, trust me, the world has given my wife a couple of reasons to turn on me, never wavered. So it's not that complicated. educated i mean get a read by educated i don't necessarily mean by the government you get a woman who reads books who's got some self-knowledge who's got some humility who's got some virtues and and you talk about your values and your standards ahead of time and then you see how she actually handles things when you have conflicts when you're dating and if all of that checks out get married and you won't get divorced you won't get divorced and you won't get cheated on it's not that complicated. A divorce court has scared the pants on a lot of men. My God. Men used to climb the Himalayas with their bare balls. And it's like, oh no, but you might turn on me.
[10:18] Oh, that's funny. I mean, you understand, we used to conquer entire nations. We used to wage war. We used to do all of these absolutely incredible things. And now it's like, but she might be mean to me. With the state and all of that, but... Don't let people who make shitty choices paralyze you with options, right? It's like, oh man, you know, a certain number of people just randomly get lung cancer and it's like, well, yeah, but most of them are smokers, so don't smoke and you'll probably be fine. A lot of people get divorced, yes, and they marry for the wrong reasons and they aren't mature and they fight and they fuss and they rail against each other and they call each other names and they indulge their petty tempers and they have shitty people around them giving them bad advice and they They won't go to marriage counseling, and they just make bad, shitty choices, and they get divorced. Don't let that frighten you off marriage.
[11:13] You know, when I was working up north, there was a guy I knew who ran in sandals. No socks, even. And he got shin splints. And he's like, well, I guess that's just one of the dangers of running. And I'm like, nope. That's one of the dangers of running in sandals. I don't know what he was doing. It's completely bizarre. That's completely bizarre. I keep crashing when I blindfold myself and take my hands off the handlebars. I guess that's just one of the dangers of biking. You better not bike. You shouldn't bike. It's so dangerous. It's like, well, how about I just keep my eyes open and keep my hands on the handlebars? Stop blaming the Me Too and the divorce courts and stuff like that. Okay, the stakes are higher. I get that. I get that. But what's worse, getting divorced or having your beloved wife die in childbirth? A lot of women in the past died in childbirth people weren't, men weren't like well you know I fall in love with a woman she could just die in childbirth she could get sick just die so I'm not doing it.
[12:21] Telling you it's sad man it's sad stop blaming the environment, and stop making better decisions if there's one thing that I've tried to teach you and I think I have taught you over the past 18 years is how to make better decisions on virtue, reason, evidence, integrity, honesty, make better decisions. Well, people that make bad decisions end up badly, so I can't do any of that. Just make better decisions. Who set up the model training and test data sets for StepBot AI? I don't like the question. It seems sinister to me. I don't know, like, why do you care? Why do you care? What does it matter? What are you trying to, Just ask the question you want to ask and don't give me all this circuitous stuff, right?
[13:09] Why do you think there's been a fall off testosterone in the church? I see many guys getting into Islam because of this. Well, because the church has now been dominated by the church is dominated by women.
[13:23] The church is dominated by women. And it is an environment generally either hostile to or uninteresting to men. Women have taken over most things in the West, right? You're aware of that. They've taken over government because the majority of workers in the government are women. They've taken over schools. They've taken over universities. They have taken over the church. Women have taken over just about everything. There are no private spaces for men. and all men are robust with free speech, and women get offended and want to shut things down.
[14:05] So women like to be in charge and then regret being in charge. It's a very big generalization. So women like to be in charge, and then women regret being in charge. So women are like, well, I'm really educated, and I've got a master's degree, and I'm in my 30s, and I'm a boss bitch babe and men don't want to date me. So they pursue all of this and they feel great about it and then when the consequences of that happen, women want equality and then they want super equality because the modern feminist movement is nothing to do with equality. It's to do with equality of outcome not equality of opportunity and equality of outcome requires tyranny. Equality of opportunity is minimal. Equality of outcome requires tyranny. And women want equality of outcome when it suits them. And then when it doesn't suit them, they don't, right? So the women who say, I have a three-month rule that I'm not going to have sex with a man for three months. Now, let's say that the woman is 30 and she's had a whole bunch of boyfriends that she hasn't had that rule for or whatever, and then it's okay.
[15:17] So that's fine. So then the man would say, I'm not paying for dates for the first three months. Because that's equality, right? Okay. If a woman wants to raise her social and economic status, that's fine. But then in order to get married, she's going to have to lower her requirements for a man. Because if she's in the top 5% to 10%.
[15:45] Of educated and earning women, then she has limited herself to the pool of the top five to 10% of men, which means she's going to have to be super fit. She's going to have to be, you know, very feminine. She's going to have to be, you know, because the more, the more successful the man in general, the more feminine a woman he wants, because one of the reasons that men are successful is high T and high T matches with high estrogen. So he's going to want a feminine woman. He doesn't want to date another man because he's not gay if he's straight, right? So women get themselves to the top five or 10% of income and education, and then they want to get a man who's richer and more educated than they are.
[16:31] But those men don't want the sort of very aggressive women as a whole. And those men have tons of options. And those men will generally tend to date younger and so women want all of this stuff and then they regret the effects or won't adjust right won't adjust i mean i talked about this many years ago uh with the one uh janet heimlich her name was heimlich h-e-i-m-l-i-c-h she was the daughter of the guy who invented the heimlich maneuver so we had to switch up schools because the director's kid kept sneaking in hits and kicks when he felt he had plausible deniability in the moment to get away with it during PE. Yeah.
[17:17] I don't watch manga. Uh, let's see here. Do you think government marriage incentivizes divorce? Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. But, I mean, in the past, it was brutal nature that separated couples, right? Death, war, famine, disease, right? Childbirth, death and childbirth and so on, right? I find my interactions with some men are weird, almost like they're a little too feminine. Right.
[17:53] So, one of the things that's happened with the fragmentation of society society, is that women used to get a lot of their social interactions from other women, right? So the men would go off hunting, the men would go off to war, the men would go off to patrol and guard the perimeters, and they would go to clear forest elsewhere. So the men would be got a lot, and the women would be all stitching, bitching, and hen parties, and so on with other women when they raised the kids. So women are kind of designed to socialize a lot with other women. But with the McMansion and the bedroom communities and the isolation of the modern nuclear family, women are turning to their husbands for primary socialization. And because women are kind of programmed to socialize a lot with other women, a lot of women try to turn their husbands into women. Well, you're not just emotionally available. Why aren't you sensitive? Why don't you care about this? Why don't you feel more about this? Why don't you get this information? What do you mean you golfed with Dave for five hours and didn't ask him how his wife's health was, right? So they try to turn their husbands into a female social group, and then they get frustrated when their husbands resist that process, and then they feel lonely, and then they have affairs, right?
[19:06] Women are designed to socialize with a bunch of other women. And so women will try to turn their husband into a group of women to socialize with. And, you know, obviously, diversity has a lot to do with this as well, because people of different backgrounds do find it a little bit harder to socialize, at least in the first generation.
[19:31] So women will try to turn men into women, and if they fail, they're frustrated, and if they succeed, they're even more frustrated, because libido goes down and all of that, right? Thank you for watching. All right, let's see here. Why is everything dominated by women because of the state yeah yeah because of the state because it's a quality of outcome now there's nothing wrong with women women are wonderful women plus the state right men plus the state is fascism women plus the state is socialism or communism Subtitles by the Amara.org community All right, let's see here.
[20:31] After doing therapy and listening to this show, my wife has followed my lead. She has finally acknowledged the evil that is her mother and is now taking Prozac. Our relationship is getting stronger and stronger and conflicted about the Prozac use, but it has certainly made a tremendous difference for the better. Should I be worried about the Prozac or embrace the positive and relief it's brought us? I can't give you medical advice, sorry. I just, that's not a thing that I do. you. All right, there's a large portion of men today who were raised in broken families. They don't know a way out of the cycle, so they choose isolation. Unfortunately, most people don't have the wisdom of this community. That's my broad explanation for the loneliness epidemic today.
[21:09] They don't know a way out of the cycle. Well, I don't think that's true. People who are lonely know exactly how to get out of the cycle of loneliness, which is to go and talk to some people. If you're lonely, you can go and talk to some people. You can go and find a local Dungeons and Dragons group. You can join a clay pottery class. You can take dance classes. as you can meet up with just about anyone online about you can go join a model railroad club. If that's your thing, you can go and do just about you join an archery club, go to some, you know, there are there are restaurants that have games rooms and you can just go there. You can sign up to just about anything. Loneliness is just laziness. Honestly, for the most part, loneliness is just laziness. You don't want to take the effort to go and find people with whom to socialize. You don't want to join a local sports group you don't want to join a local charity group you don't want to volunteer at the soup kitchen you just you just don't want to do stuff loneliness is just laziness they know exactly what to do now i'm not saying it's easy right you gotta but so what, but but saying they don't know what to do i'm lonely i don't know what to do of course you do literally with the internet loneliness has become laziness and that's it like i can understand you move to some small town 1790 and you don't know anyone okay i understand i mean you still go to a church, right? Go to church.
[22:38] There's six billion groups out there in your neighborhood immediately accessible through the internet. It's not loneliness. It's just laziness. Well, they just don't know how to do it. They don't know how to. No. Okay. If you grew up, I mean, I grew up under socialized. So I worked on that as a deficiency that I needed to deal with. Ah. All right. There is no non-direct encouragement from therapists towards young men to express their anger in non-abusive ways that also contributes perhaps to the testosterone decreasing. If the woman wants to wait until marriage and the man is impatient for sex, getting married quickly is one option. Sure.
[23:37] The five problems of modern men. Video games, porn, manga, divorce, public schools. But solutions are so available now. Solutions are so available now. Solutions are so available now that most dysfunction is just laziness.
[24:00] Yeah, those uber-educated women on Kevin Samuel's show complaining they can't find a man. Yeah, and being argumentative and difficult and flink. Men fight out in the world we need peace at home, we need peace at home, and in general I mean lots of people do this maybe women a little bit more if you're discontented a lot of people just look at the environment and say how are other people making me discontented when you're trying to adjust your environment and it doesn't work you get more frustrated it's like, discontentedness is always and forever an internal problem I mean, asterisk if you're unjustly imprisoned by a dictatorial regime, blah, blah, blah. But discontentedness is a you problem. It's not a me problem. If you're discontented, right?
[24:52] What is the difference between morals and virtue? I mean, you could, you know, make up a bunch of different things. For me, the difference between morals and virtue is morals are the theoretical and virtue is the application.
[25:08] So a moral is tell the truth a virtue is actually telling the truth, morality is i should exercise virtue is going to the gym or whatever you're doing so.
[25:32] Obscure question what do you think about expressing anger in a public setting like a concert where performers are trying to create a happy tone with their performance, i'm not sure what what philosophical question you're asking me, oh like somebody who's oh so are you saying somebody like they're like at a kid's show where they're trying to make everything positive and somebody starts screaming obscenities or something like that is that what you mean, it's the delicate balance with people as a whole between a cry for help and just being an asshole right so somebody who's disrupting a happy place is saying that they feel excluded from the happiness they're frustrated that nobody cares that they're unhappy so they're going to make other people unhappy maybe it's a cry for help but there's always a tipping point where the cry for help just i now just want to destroy people's happiness because i'm an asshole, Alright, any other last questions, comments, issues, challenges?
[26:52] Yeah, as an adult, yeah. Concert Karen, yeah, maybe. I think I won't do the conscience thing right now. Now, I'd like to be a bit more motivated. Donations are a little bit low today. Actually, they have been for the last couple of days. And August is a tough month for that kind of stuff. So I don't feel quite pumped enough to do the conscience topic, though I will work on it this week. But are there any other thoughts or questions? I guess it's fine if it's a quiet expression of anger. Yeah, sometimes you need to tell people while you're asking the question, because otherwise it just comes across as incomprehensible. Why is this important to you? Well, what example are you trying to understand, right? Because as an empiricist, generally, it's better to get an example than an obscure theoretical.
[27:51] Are all the spots filled for the meetup in December? Oh, sorry, Frank, the meetup in December has been cancelled. Okay, why do you keep asking me this question? What's the matter with you? Stay plurality. What are you doing? Why do you keep asking me this question? What are you trying to do? Like, let's just have a frank discussion here. What are you trying to do? I've already told you, and you keep asking. So, what's going on here? Like what, what, what's this crap you're trying to pull here? You asked me the question. I've answered it. You keep asking the question. Why are you trying to make me uncomfortable? Are you trying to make me look hypocritical? Are you trying like what?
[28:41] I need an answer to this question. Why does this matter to you? What are you trying to do here? You've asked me this question a bunch of times. I keep asking it. I keep answering it, and you keep asking it again. So what's going on? Do you want to call in? Do you want to call in and talk to me about it? Thank you for watching. Yeah, he's probably not going to. Probably not going to answer that is this i think this is someone i had issues with before, uh dave says i was at a concert that was very happy and smiley for an hour and a half and i had a wonderful i had a stressful day at work and i felt like i was under pressure to not express annoyance at my stressful day at work i matched the performer's mood which made me feel worse that's the context right okay.
[29:41] You felt like you were under pressure to not express annoyance at my stressful day at work. So do you not have transition between work and other stuff, right? So you need a transition between work and other stuff. So if you went straight from a horribly stressful day at work to some happy, happy concert, there's no transition time. It's jarring, right? So best thing to do is meet up with the people ahead of time, sit in your car, deep breathe, have a transition, let go of the day and embrace your evening. But don't try and get from one state of mind to another without a transition. It's kind of wrenching.
[30:28] You said it was obvious, but you didn't say why. It isn't obvious to me. Okay. Is it obvious to everyone else? Is it obvious to everyone else why StephBot AI does not answer a lot of questions about race? Is it obvious to everyone else why the StephBot AI does not answer a lot of questions about race? And if it is not obvious to everyone why StephBot AI does not answer a lot of questions about race, if it is not obvious to everyone, I would be happy to explain it. If it is obvious to people, then I won't.
[31:13] I mean, the obvious answer, come on, I mean, it's not that complicated, is that if Stafford AI talks about race, given that it's not a scientific journal, then a bad actor could trick it into saying something, which I don't believe, that is unjust and wrong about race. That's all. So i mean i don't know why this is complicated i don't i mean maybe you've just never had enemies in your life i don't know what the issues is i don't know why this is complicated, so i don't uh i don't know why that's a challenge i don't know why that's a problem and there are other llms uh grok does talk about race and and so on so i mean, see the other thing too is that of course i did these interviews with the 17 experts on iq but interviews don't go into the staff bot right because the staff that the the llms don't exactly know when i'm talking or someone else is talking right that that's the challenge right Right. So the scientific value of what I talked about with people wouldn't be in the AI model. Right. So.
[32:38] So I, I, again, I don't know why this is complicated, but, um, maybe it is. All right. So, but no, it's not complicated because everyone, uh, everyone, one else understood it. So I think that your obtuseness is not honest or direct. All right. Should you travel with trash planet people if they're going somewhere you want to go? Um, I would say not because in general, the trash planet people, what are they going to want to do? They're going to want to drink. They might want to sleep around. They're just going to, it's going to be a mess so i would generally not do that as a whole um i would take my i would take my chances with a tour group with strangers rather than trash planet people trash planet people when they travel just drink and sleep around and maybe do drugs and all of that right.
[33:54] Sorry, the stream is bugging for me. Which LLM was it? Grok, I think, talks about race. And, you know, I talked about that topic, and there's really nothing new to say, and so. All right, any other questions, comments? Comments. comments uh challenges issues another schedule yeah i mean i would certainly try to to do a meetup at some point but the formal one is the formal ones are tough you need a really strong commitment you have to lay out a huge amount of money if there's weather problems or cancellation issues or people can't make it or whatever you can really be left holding the bag and i'm always very sort of conscious about donations and how to best apply them for maximum value to people, and so I wouldn't want to do any of that right so.
[34:59] Great show job well done thank you Tony appreciate that of course if you're listening to this later and you're a donor this will only go out to donors you can go to freedomain.com slash donate to help out the show just a little bit thanks for answering my questions Stefan I did not mean mean anything sinister yeah sure all right yeah god forbid the trash planet people get into a fight while you are around yeah for sure all right well thanks everyone have yourself an absolutely wonderful day i really do appreciate your time and your support and your care and your attention to this greatest philosophy conversation in the universe please don't forget to check out freedomain.com books people have mentioned my novel the future they mentioned my novel just poor there's a great novel called almost there as well and uh the present which is my secret my Prequel to the Future. It's a great novel as well, particularly for men. And I really do appreciate your time, care, and attention. Have yourself an absolutely lovely, lovely day. I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
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